On Femme Fatale the Lou back-up vocals ("she's a femme fatale") are barely audible, it might as well not be there, and on Sunday Morning there's a guitar part that's missing (during the swirly instrumental break I swear there used to be a chugging "lead" or whatever you call it over top the backwards sounding bit). Anyway, the question is: Is this supposed to be like this or have I botched the hook up of my stereo and have only one channel playing through both speakers?
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UPDATE: My speaker wire was connected to the right main and right remote outputs. I fixed the problem.
I'd like to thank everyone who was with me from the beginning, without your help this project may have never been completed. I'm confident that with the teamwork displayed in the last couple of days our dream of sending an ex-member of the Velvet Underground to the moon will soon become a reality.
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This seems as good a place as any to ask this question ... has anybody bought that new VU seven inch singles thing that Sundazed just put out? I don't really want to buy it, BUT: the mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" is apparently vastly different. Would like to hear this ... mp3 anywhere?
― tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha I was wondering which thread to revive to discuss the "Nuns Are On The Seawall" blog...
i.e Velvets bootlegs S/D
the 'Ultimate Mono and Acetates Album' has some of those singles but not all. it does have the mono WL/WH which is really different at least on Lady Godiva's Operation, I guess I should listen to it. that may be the version of "Call My Name" you refer to.
also loving:
the Pre-VU Preview, all the demos of early 60's Reed/Cale pop musicProblems In Urban Living (Cleveland 68)CDs from a certain minimalist composr who shall remain anonymous
― sleeve, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I've got that Ultimate Mono Acetates thing -- from what I understand, this mix of "Heard" is unheard until now? Less of Lou's guitar, more of the band. Or something ... But anyway -- yeah! Pre-VU is crazy, really incredible. Drop in some references to methamphetamine and "Do The Ostrich" could be on White Light/White Heat, easy. Crazy that, according to the Unterberger VU Day By Day book, there's a solo version of "Heroin" recorded during the Pickwick era. Probably sounds similar to the versions on the 1st disc of "Peel Slowly" but I'd still love to hear it.
― tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 00:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
I've got it on order, will let you know...
― Mark G, Saturday, 10 October 2009 13:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
Cool! Someone over on the Velvet Forum sez: "the mix of I Heard Her Call My Name is insane. At first I thought that there was a mistake in the pressing as Lou's opening vocals ("here comes count down...' ) are way down in the mix and actually sound muffled. Then they pick up a little with 'Ever since...'. Sterling's guitar is up and so it Cale's bass. For the first 30 seconds or so it sounds like a kind of lo-fi garage sound and then later the sound gets bigger with more of the impact we know. But overall the balance is restored so that you can hear Sterling's lovely rhythm guitar work and Cale's bass, which is really great. Cale's bass sound is amazing on this mix and then also makes you realised how low the bass is in the mix on most of the White Light LP."
― tylerw, Saturday, 10 October 2009 16:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hmmhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0847833550/ref=pe_5050_13305760_snp_dp$189 Little bit annoying that they're putting out all of this collector-bait stuff these days and not putting out unreleased stuff. Or barely any unreleased stuff.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
A while ago, I did my own mix of "Heard Her Call My Name" with less Lou and more of the band just for fun, anyone can do it
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
ysi?
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
From that Velvet Forum, here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.
-The demo tape Cale took to England-Summit High School tape-Bizarre footage-Delmonico´s tape-Boston Tea Party footage(any news on this, by the way?)-La Cave 68 tape-Hippodrome 68 tape-Nelson Video tape 70-Rhode Island School of Design, Providence, Rhode Island-May 11, 1965 Pickwick Studios, near Long Island City, New York-Donald Jackson VU footage-Danny Williams VU footage-The Primitives tape-Ronald Nameth Vu footage-Matrix Tapes-Seattle 69 tape
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't know how to do that! (xp)
-The demo tape Cale took to England
I'd be surprised if this still existed! Very! The Matrix Tapes is what we want!!!!!
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
xpost
what the hell is that? a 304-page hardback book, yeah, but what about the single with it?
hate it when Amazon has no info about the product.
and hey that Seattle 69 show is on the Nuns Are On The Seawall blog, it's listed as Retinal Circus. first new show (to me) to surface since the Gymnasium.
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
!!! Had no idea ... Thanks! Is it good?
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
more from that Velvet Forum:-the full Gymnasium tape-the cale/sterling/reed rehearsals from cale loft 1966-uncut recent Factory 66 tape
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
here's a list of uncirculated VU stuff that seems to actually exist.
i'm still hoping that footage of them on Upbeat! shows up somewhere. Lots of clips from that show are in circulation, but considering they made a handful of appearances i'm surprised nothing's around. About one of the shows: "The Velvets performed live on the Upbeat TV show in June 1968 (not June 1967). Moreover, contrary to Sterling Morrison's recollection, they performed a blistering, buzzsaw version of Run Run Run. Their rendition of Run Run Run went beyond their alloted time: thus, Upbeat cut away to a commercial while the Velvets were engaged in feedback frenzy with Lou's back to the camera."
― city worker, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
that would be awesome. There was some comment (I think from Moe Tucker) that she couldn't believe, with all the cameras the Warhol crew had going all the time, no one just filmed a straight ahead version of one of the EPI shows.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Is it good?
here's wl/wh:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8j4j7c
it's a soundboard!!! the only one I know of besides those Matrix tapes. as a result the vox are too loud and the guitars a bit subdued, but the overall recording is much clearer. I still think Problems In Urban Living (Cleveland Oct. 68) is my favorite live boot, love the guitar sound on that.
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's a flac btw
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
Already downloading from The Nuns site ... So weird that this stuff just keeps showing up. One thing I'm super interested in (that hasn't seen the light of day afaik) is a studio version of "Beginning to See the Light" with Cale.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
WHAT????!??!
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
those Velvets Forum trainspotters mean business man.
― sleeve, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
But yeah, the "Beginning" with Cale is mentioned in the Unterberger book - recorded at the "Mr. Rain" session apparently? With "fuzz bass"? There was talk of it appearing on a projected WL/WH "deluxe edition, I think. Which never came out obv.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
LOL, yeah, obv.
― The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
But ... maybe now that this singles set has come out, there's a chance of more VU material coming out officially? I think I read that Lou wasn't into having any more live stuff come out.
― tylerw, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hmmm, so I'm listening to this "Retinal Circus" VU show -- and I'm pretty sure some of these takes are the same as appear on Live 1969. Haven't a/b'd them or anything. It's an uncut tape of the show, though, which hasn't circulate as far as I know ... I think that those songs were thought to be from the Matrix, wonder what the deal is! MYSTERY. Sounds great, anyway.
― tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeh, the wh/wh posted above is the same as the version on the live 69 album
― zappi, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
er wl/wh
Yeah, same w/ "heroin", "what goes on", "new age" so far. it's funny to hear these songs w/ audience applause -- on 1969 they cut off almost immediately, sort of giving the impression that the VU was playing to barely anyone. But here they've got a totally enthusiastic crowd. And why not, considering the godlike awesomeness of this "What Goes On."
― tylerw, Friday, 16 October 2009 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's the Praise Ye the Lord boot, mostly late period stuff
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:12 (8 months ago) Permalink
oh yeah, that's got some interesting stuff -- only live versions of oh sweet nuthin and train round the bend. oddly, despite its cover, those second fret recordings are sans moe. http://rootstrata.com/rootblog/?p=5248also, lou singing lead on candy says.
― tylerw, Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:14 (8 months ago) Permalink
wow Live at Max's Kansas City is really worse than I remember it. Why did this even get released? the drumming is criminal - dude plays the same pattern on every song (except After Hours) and then steamrolls over everything with stupid fills at the end of every bar. The Jim Carroll comments are funny but beyond that ugh
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 September 2012 15:36 (8 months ago) Permalink
Why? Because it concluded the Velvets' deal with Atlantic records.
― Mark G, Friday, 21 September 2012 15:38 (8 months ago) Permalink
oh. right.
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 September 2012 15:39 (8 months ago) Permalink
could they not get the rights to the live 1969 tapes (or any other, better tapes for that matter)?
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 September 2012 15:40 (8 months ago) Permalink
Not at that time, no.
The 1969 tapes got issued in 1974 I think.
― Mark G, Friday, 21 September 2012 15:40 (8 months ago) Permalink
definitely the worst VU release, but i still get some enjoyment out of it. it is strange that they released it, contract filler or not -- it was released pre-Transformer, right? it must've sold like 200 copies when it was first put out. crazy how laissez faire lou was about the band during that era -- "you want your brother, who plays nothing like moe tucker, to be in the band? sure, whatever." the sound is radically different w/o moe in the band, like everyone in the band plays in a completely different way.
― tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 15:43 (8 months ago) Permalink
i dig that long, boogie-ing some kinda love on the expanded Max's.
― tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 15:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
Moe was off on maternity leave. She was at the gig, apparently.
Actually, Billy does alright on "Waiting for the man", but yeah.
― Mark G, Friday, 21 September 2012 15:46 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah billy was just the temporary fill-in, but still, it's like they gave him zero direction (i think he even has said he hadn't heard the records before he got the gig).
― tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 15:48 (8 months ago) Permalink
So, it's not his fault.
I mean, it's him on "Loaded", isn't it? He does OK there.
― Mark G, Friday, 21 September 2012 15:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah, i think it's a mix of him and a session drummer on loaded. i'm willing to cut the guy some slack, he was only 17, wasn't he?
― tylerw, Friday, 21 September 2012 15:53 (8 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, about three different drummers on Loaded, including him.
Then again, it was Deep Purple's drummer on their next album!
― Mark G, Friday, 21 September 2012 15:56 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah I think he acquits himself pretty well on Loaded - this set is just weird. It sort of reminds me of the Funkadelic Meadowbrook release where it's a brand new (and very different) drummer's first ever time playing with the band.
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 21 September 2012 15:58 (8 months ago) Permalink
this is cool -- might be old, but it's new to me? http://www.uncut.co.uk/the-velvet-underground/john-cale-on-the-velvet-underground-nico-newscale walks through the debut song by song.
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 October 2012 15:48 (7 months ago) Permalink
Not seen that before, worth keeping yeah.
― Mark G, Thursday, 4 October 2012 16:46 (7 months ago) Permalink
Yes, that is great
― Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Saturday, 6 October 2012 11:27 (7 months ago) Permalink
umhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=U6CKz3ZmCps#t=1009s
― tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
I'm waiting for the Scoobiesnacks!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:21 (7 months ago) Permalink
wtf?
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:39 (7 months ago) Permalink
haha, love the Warriors reference too with the DJ woman. Did Scooby sing something about the wicker man?
― wk, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:43 (7 months ago) Permalink
Has anybody picked up the new cd box set yet? How does the Columbia University set sound? Has it improved at all?
Heard about a Japanese bootleg of the set being remastered about 5 years back and wondered waht that was like, if it's now been deemed suitable for official commercial release I'm wondering if that means anything good soundwise. There are some tracks on there I love as it is but might love even more. That Run Run Run sounds like Dresden being raided.Is it from some kind of original master tape now?
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:41 (7 months ago) Permalink
i think it is supposed to be from the original tape? not sure how much diff it'll make. still an amazing recording. i haven't heard the box set yet, is it out?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:42 (7 months ago) Permalink
this is apparently going to be a "black friday" release for you collectorscover is kind of poorly executed?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:43 (7 months ago) Permalink
Just seen this. Is it a bootleg?http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/37215916/0/La-Cave-1968/ListingDetails.html
La cave '68.
Or are the official bootleg series coming out in bursts.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:44 (7 months ago) Permalink
― tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:45 (7 months ago) Permalink
that la cave thing is an old bootleg.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:46 (7 months ago) Permalink
right, things are probably reappearing with the box set coming out. Didn't know Play sold actual bootlegs though.
Think both the box set and Nico's THe End are 29th October according to Amazon anyway. Not sure if that'll be actual til it happens.
The Seeds 1st lp is supposed to be the same day.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:52 (7 months ago) Permalink
la cave really is one of the best boots! has that ridiculous improv'd lyrics version of pale blue eyes.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 20:53 (7 months ago) Permalink
"sister ray went down to mexico..."
― sleeve, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:07 (7 months ago) Permalink
from what i gather, the VU was playing that song for awhile, at least back to the latter days of Cale's membership in the band --- would be interesting to hear what other lyrics lou was singing on that tune before he actually "wrote" the song.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 21:11 (7 months ago) Permalink
I think Unterberger has Pale Blue Eyes having a very early introduction/appearance in the band's setlist if that's the song being atlked about. Think it might have even been as early as '66.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 18 October 2012 06:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
Has anyone heard this? (or perhaps, more appropriately would anyone want to hear this?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_V.U._1971%E2%80%931973
― Internet Alan, Thursday, 18 October 2012 08:30 (7 months ago) Permalink
I downloaded it long ago but didn't make it through the first disc. It was pretty rough going as far as I remember.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:07 (7 months ago) Permalink
But parts of it have more VU members than parts of Loaded, so it couldn't be all bad...?
― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:17 (7 months ago) Permalink
Doug, Sterl and Moe?
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:19 (7 months ago) Permalink
I see a 'copy' every so often, but it's an old-fashioned "hueg" box set and wants 'carrying'...
doug and moe are on it, morrison is not. it's not great by any stretch of the imagination, but it has its moments.
― tylerw, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:27 (7 months ago) Permalink
If I recall, the first time the (this) VU toured the UK, Lou was over touring himself..
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 October 2012 14:29 (7 months ago) Permalink
The post-Lou V.U. seem way more rooted in rock'n'roll. That set reminded me of Jason & the Scorchers or somebody. Didn't think it was that bad, maybe even good if it wasn't that particular band. Do think they were paying quite a few of the better known Velvets tracks, but has been a while since I heard it.
― Stevolende, Friday, 19 October 2012 17:46 (7 months ago) Permalink
haha, have you got the one with Cale's keyboard that has a speech bubble saying "SCREE!"for some reason that's always stuck in my head
― Cosmic Fopp (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 October 2012 02:45 (7 months ago) Permalink
RIght, seeing as how that "Final VU" box is £25 on ebay, I've ordered one.
We Shall See!
― Mark G, Monday, 22 October 2012 12:15 (7 months ago) Permalink
Have you guys heard that one where Lou is teaching someone -Nico?- the words to "Venus in Furs" whilst somebody else- Sterl and John? - is playing a Bo Diddley song?
― Do You Like POLL Music? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 November 2012 20:27 (6 months ago) Permalink
yeah that should be part of the rehearsal segment of the new box set. aren't they playing "love is strange" too?
― tylerw, Friday, 9 November 2012 20:30 (6 months ago) Permalink
Xp: Guess it's from The Factory Rehearsal: http://open.spotify.com/track/70XPQA0sXtX90xbx6hZ0Lg
Says "Crackin' Up" which sounds like "Love is Strange" so I split the difference.
― Do You Like POLL Music? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 November 2012 20:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
RIght, seeing as how that "Final VU" box is £25 on ebay, I've ordered one.We Shall See!― Mark G, Monday, 22 October 2012 12:15 (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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Well, I got one, and have played CD1 so far.
It's funny, out of all four CDs, Doug Yule only sings one song, one time, that he sang while Lou was in the band: "Oh Sweet Nothing".
No "Candy Says", "Who loves the sun", "New Age", "She's my best Friend", nope.
― Mark G, Monday, 26 November 2012 12:41 (5 months ago) Permalink
VU-related, in some important/amazing ways--be there or be square, Jim:http://boo-hooray.com/barbara-rubin/christmas-on-earth---barbara-rubin/
― dow, Saturday, 8 December 2012 19:50 (5 months ago) Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFaOyQbDTKs
Sweet Sister Ray
― Campari G&T, Saturday, 23 March 2013 13:03 (1 month ago) Permalink
http://philipjohnsonglasshouse.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/1967-glass-house-country-happening-with-merce-cunningham-john-cage-the-velvet-underground/The film is archival footage of an event held at the Glass House in 1967 to benefit the Merce Cunningham Dance Company. Described as a “Country Happening” in Vogue Magazine, August 1967, Merce Cunningham dancers performed to music by John Cage, and later the Velvet Underground took the stage.can't actually see any VU in the film, but maybe those groovy dancers at the end are twisting it to sister ray? funny to imagine the VU playing such a pastoral setting.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 22 May 2013 22:41 (1 hour ago) Permalink