Inner Dialogue! Are they or aren't they the great lost Sagittarius/Free Design style outfit?

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Unknown -- Gareth brought it to our attention earlier in chat and we did some investigating -- but this cover at least screams 'JBR/Rosemary music,' if you'll allow me to say so:

"The Gospel According to the Women in White"

So, anyone?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 February 2005 00:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

but this cover at least screams 'JBR/Rosemary music

ayup.

― jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 00:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

i bought a copy earlier today

― charlton lido (gareth), Sunday, 27 February 2005 00:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

The cover's like Mitch (of Mitch and Mickey) meets proto-Heart. Uh, sorta.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 February 2005 00:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

the blonde looks like jennifer jason leigh.

― jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 00:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh. Must. Own. < squeals like Kevin Spacey at a Jamie Cullum concert >

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

They are that good, maybe better... Check out this link...

― anonamon, Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

wow, they're even better than the anita kerr singers!

― jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

ts:

vs.

― jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

"ching ching sing sing sis-poom-bah"

― jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

"teacher teacher rah-rah-rah"

― (Jon L), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

"no one can afford to board a dream alone"

― jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone heard the new Free Design remix 12"s? What's the deal?

― Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

yesterday the dog ate the turtle
still we keep the candle aglow
one for me and one for my love
and one to grow

ding, dong, poooooooor dog

― (Jon L), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

http://www.lightintheattic.net/releases/redesign/fdv2.php

― Fat Anarchy on Airtube (ex machina), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

not going to check out that remix record before I own every last original album... I'm really losing it over that group right now

the web is shockingly deficient in Free Design lyric pages, and they're a band that desperately needs them.

― (Jon L), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

I found the lyrics to "Eleanor Rigby"

― green uno skip card (ex machina), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm meeting my friend Kristian for dinner right now and he's made me a compilation CD which, coincidentally, features two songs by this very band! ILX is abuzz with Inner Dialogue!!!

― Guitarthur and the Ecstasy Defecators (Arthur), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

!!!! We are on the hipster trend! :-) (Hey Arthur, invite Kristian to next week's shindig if you'd like.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

Listening to the stream of this linked above. Very nice! Has anyone heard their other album?

― dlp9001, Sunday, 27 February 2005 02:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

This is wonderfully crazy. (Am listening now too.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 February 2005 03:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

Cripes, I thought the lyric quotes above were jokes! I was so wrong!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 27 February 2005 03:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hey, just found it on Slsk. Whooo!

― dlp9001, Sunday, 27 February 2005 03:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

i've got the second (?) inner dialogue album ("friend") - it's a little more straightforward sunshine pop-rock than the first, but it has a fucking insanely catchy cover of "cry baby cry" that went through my head for 6 months straight. we just bought the first album for the cover and it was so much better than expected.

i have no idea what that "women in white" thing has to do with anything, but that looks amazing too.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 27 February 2005 05:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

both of the albums are very lovely.

― reo, Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

and wow, that "women in white" thing does indeed look awesome.
it now gets added to the wanted list.

― reo, Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

for ned, because jaxon wanted it this way:

― jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

Snarf.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

ok, i think this album is now one of my favourite albums ever. i just like it more and more each time. though, i dont really like the 2nd lp that much, the singing is a bit too gutsy/soulful on the 2nd lp, takes it too far from sunshinepop california dayglo suburban cult music that is the epicentre.

so, what about the anita kerr singers, i should track that down too?

― charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 20 March 2005 00:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

ok, i think this album is now one of my favourite albums ever. i just like it more and more each time

:-) Pretty please if I may, a CDR burn of the vinyl would be a treat.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 20 March 2005 00:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hey Gareth, have you heard Jim and Jean? It's sort of in this vein. Their first album was a conventional folk duo-type thing, but then they got freakier and post-Mamas and Papas with the second album, People World. It's more Topanga Canyon meets Suburban California, but you might like it. I have three songs up on Direct Connect. in the Softness folder.

― Arthur (Arthur), Sunday, 20 March 2005 01:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

Haven't ehard this yet, but my favorite thing is that it's on Ranwood:
http://www.bsnpubs.com/dot/ranwood.html

"Ranwood Records was founded in 1968 by Randy Wood (hence the label name), erstwhile founder and President of Dot Records, along with Lawrence Welk. It is still in operation today, issuing CDs. It was at the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, an extension of the Lawrence Welk Show. Although there have been artists on Ranwood that were not associated with the Show, these albums keep within the general boundaries of the Welk Show's wholesome family entertainment fare, even if a bit old-fashioned."

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 20 March 2005 11:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

Ahem, "heard."

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 20 March 2005 11:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

apparently, inner dialogue were on the johnny carson show, may 1969

― charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 20 March 2005 12:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

there are people without this record

i met one tonite

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 21 March 2005 01:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

Just the one?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 March 2005 01:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Is this slskable? Can someone YSI me some stuff?

― Open your eyes; you can fly! (ex machina), Friday, 29 April 2005 19:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

i have it on slsk jon

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 29 April 2005 22:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

has anyone heard the turn of the century lp? also on ranwood

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 29 April 2005 22:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

inner dialogue rules!! they are the stoned free design that every soft rock-obsessive have been dreaming of

― jazzhooligan, Friday, 29 April 2005 22:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

more of the same. 60s/70s Soft Rock Weird/Cool Vocal Arrangements

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 30 April 2005 01:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

i have the mp3s of this.

― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 27 May 2005 03:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

so, what about the anita kerr singers, i should track that down too?

i will send you some anita kerr music when i send your postcard (which i should have done already but i'm bad at mailing things out sometimes).

― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 27 May 2005 03:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

would definitely be indebted if you counted me in on any gmail / ysi

― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 27 May 2005 03:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'll do so tomorrow once i'm on a better connection.

― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 27 May 2005 03:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

Adding to that request, pretty of the please. nedr@sbcglobal.net

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 May 2005 04:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

yeah, like me too and all that.

ps. jody, i never mentioned that i really dig that All Saved Freaks Band (xtian cult thing) i got from yr site

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

glad you liked it! just wait until i post the '70s manchester xtian youth group thing i found (if i do)!

― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 27 May 2005 06:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

must hear must hear

― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 27 May 2005 14:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

Skipping 42 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Maybe we can swap and I can listen to these freefrom five and shortwave set things you are always banging on about.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

Adam, thanks for offering, but I'm a Mac man who can't get on da sk. And even if I could, the comp is still in me mam's bedroom, so I very, very, very rarely get to use it late.

Heh heh, I do go on sometimes. I linked The Shortwave Set on the favourite weird pop/psych thread that's now ongoing - there are 3 mp3s at the Summer's Last Sound Blog right now. I only like about 4 Freeform Five tracks, but I'm happy to gMail those to you, hopefully over the weekend.

― Negativa, True Believer (Sheryl Crow in a Britney costume) (Barima), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm a Mac man who can't get on da sk

soulseex, dude. Does the trick just fine.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

or solarseek. or nicotine

I use nicotine.

― Semaphore Burns (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

Noted!

― BARMS, Thursday, 23 June 2005 07:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

jbr - I just e-mailed you about this LP.

Basically a request to re-YSI the tracks (cf. your nomination for today on this thread)

Obviously, if anyone else has the mp3s from last time they were posted (tragically, I didn't see the June revival of this thread) then feel free to post them.

Thanks in advance.

― Jeff W (zebedee), Sunday, 1 January 2006 15:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

happy new year!
http://s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3GIKEDLFFJMOQ3BF8EIZM3XV5S

― is this an institution of learning or a teenage brothel? (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 1 January 2006 16:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

You're a star! Many thanks :)

― Jeff W, Sunday, 1 January 2006 16:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I did get this and am an avowed fan.

― Hal! Jordan! HAL! JORDAN! (Barima), Monday, 2 January 2006 02:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yay! Much appreciated!!

― Ernest P. (ernestp), Monday, 2 January 2006 03:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

if anyone wants to hear the cover of "cry baby cry" from the second inner dialogue album:

http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2QAZOK3EA8FFZ0RBC3YHTIUN3Z

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 2 January 2006 09:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

ingrates.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

Give me time!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

I listened. I don't doubt you, but it's hard to credit that it's the same Inner Dialogue. So twas better to say nothing (I thought).

― Jeff W (zebedee), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 17:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's the same one. if you think that's off, you should hear their cover of "raindrops keep falling on my head." dear god.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 18:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

That track is great. Thanks, gene. I'll bet Paul McCartney would like to hear that. He always liked that song. I always thought he'd get a kick out of the Wings covers on the We All Together records, too.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 20:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

Do you guys like the band The Split Level? They had an LP on Dot which is quite similar to these groups--overall less eccentric than inner dialogue, less lush but more propulsive overall than The Free Design.

Instrument credits include electric sitar and "the subtle no string guitar." They songs are really catchy, reasonably psychedelic and still certainly left of center--a song about their gear, for example--and the closing track is madrigal-esque and ends with them chanting "SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP..." lol.

My copy has a "mono" sticker over where it says Stereo.

― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 20:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

Apparently Margo Guryan wrote a song on this record! I just looked at the label. I'd never noticed that before.

― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 20:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hi guys, there's a copy of this Split Level LP on ebay now! I really just want to talk to someone about it. I think side 1 has a few weak moments ("Think of Rain" most ofa ll) but the highs on this LP are just SO GOOD!

― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-SPLIT-LEVEL-Divided-We-Stand-LP-1968_W0QQitemZ300041667793QQihZ020QQcategoryZ306QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

Come on guys, talk to me! I figure reviving this thread would be better than starting a new thread, but maybe I am naive.

― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

lets be naive together. what is this record? surely it cannot be as good as inner dialogue?

― -- (688), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

No mp3s/streaming no credibility. (And yes, it cannot be as good, I insist.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's pretty damn good guys. I'll rip a track for you tonight! The highs are definitely of Inner Dialogue-level bizarro-fabulous.

― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Thursday, 26 October 2006 00:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

Okay, I can't find the cable I need to rip this, but I'm going to pick it up at radio shack tomorrow! There's no torrent of this out there? Weird.

― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

it's on slsk.

― cocksure triumphalism at its most vacant (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

WANT

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

if it's on slsk then wtf did i just rip four cuts from side b for?
if there's need i can still post em, but i didn't think we were doing that on ILM anymore.

― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hmm, well, you could send them to nedr@sbcglobal.net, for instance...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

I like the fact that the Split Level, true to their name, don't look like they belong in the same band (which may have been the point?). Two kooky Greenwich Village types paired off with a man and a woman in formalwear - nice Cheap Trick effect, ten years too early.

― Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Thursday, 26 October 2006 03:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Split Level, is it a lovely sound?

― Friendly Tree (688), Thursday, 1 February 2007 11:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

It is!

― Michael Dudikoff presents Action Adventure Theatre, Monday, 26 November 2007 14:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

If anyone in the NYC or Brooklyn area cares abt that Split Level record, we have several copies at the shop I work at right now.

E-mail me to put a copy on hold if ya want one.

― ian, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

also, has anyone heard this second Inner Dialogue LP?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Inner-Dialogue-The-Friend_W0QQitemZ160178971966QQihZ006QQcategoryZ306QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

― ian, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

the 2nd lp i really dont like as much as the first. its earthier and that may appeal to some, but im not taken with it at all

― Alex in Denver, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

earthier... in a folk rock kinda way?

― ian, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

No not really, more...gutsier vocals, almost R&B ish in places. I guess sounding more like an actual band rather than a studio concoction.

― Alex in Denver, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

i said something about the second album above. they cover "raindrops keep falling on my head" and "carolina in my mind," if i recall correctly. it lacks the bizarreness of the first but i really do like their version of "cry baby cry."

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 03:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

i listened to the 2nd LP in my dream last night and it was PROG.

― ian, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 18:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

i love this record. for whatever reason, there is very little info about this band on the net not even on allmusic. just dug it out there recently, a CDR of the downloaded tracks from this thread. i love the psychotherapy inspired lyrics. the album has got a 'suburban housewife has a spiritual awakening' feel to it.

― Michael B, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 13:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is one of my favourite albums i found through ilm. listened to this pretty much everyday back in summer 2006. was also the same summer i discovered tusk by fleetwood mac. was a pretty good summer

― that habit kick man (r1o natsume), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 14:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

I go 2 life

― Chewawa Allstar (herb albert), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

is the Inner Dialogue's B.J. Ward (the brunette on that album cover) the same B.J. Ward who did voiceovers for cartoons like Scooby Doo, Woody Woodpecker, and The Flintstones in the '90s and '00s & was a Playboy bunny in the '60s? they sure look alike, but maybe that's just my confirmation bias at work.

B.J. Ward (the Inner Dialogue one)'s solo album Vocal Ease is a pretty good jazz-pop effort in the vein of Joanie Sommers. includes sweet, straightforward covers of Gerry Rafferty's "Keep It to Yourself" and the Beach Boys' "I Just Wasn't Made for These Times" without a whiff of psych weirdness.

― unregistered, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

From Redtelephone66 (great obscure music blog:)

The music was written by Gene DiNovi (jazz musician who worked with Benny Goodman, Peggy Lee, Tony Bennett & Lena Horne. He also played piano on the Zappa “Freak Out” album. Does mainly solo work now. I believe he is the guy on the album cover.

Lyrics by Tony Velona (“Lollipops & Roses” his best known song).

The singers are:

The blonde is Lynn Dolin (member of the Doodletown Pipers, worked on “The Johhny Mann Show” & performed christian music)

The brunette is B.J. Ward (singer & voice actress in numerous animated shows)

The band is:

DiNovi on keyboards.

Jerry Scheff on bass (toured with Elvis and recorded with everyone from Pat Boone to the Doors).

Bob Lanning on drums (toured with Elvis)

Barry Zweig on guitar (recorded with Peggy Lee, Herb Alpert, Henry Mancini, etc)

― All 10 songs permeate the organs (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Was goint to bold the line on B.J., but anyway...

Just discovering this thread this morning, and found all the songs are on youtube. Really liking Inner Dialogue!

― All 10 songs permeate the organs (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

thanks for that, Dan. redtelephone66 is an excellent blog. I'm not sure how credible the quoted text is. it's certainly more detailed than anything else I've seen online, but the "singer & voice actress in numerous animated shows" bit could just be conjecture based on a few google searches (like mine). dunno.

― unregistered, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

heads up it's a bright and sparkling universe
heads down it's a shambles and it's growing worse
eyes right it's a vision of enduring love
eyes left it's a nightmare you're unconscious of

― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

suggest the Four King Cousins to Inner Dialogue fans tbh.

― not everything is a campfire (ian), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

"I go to life...in love..."

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 01:42 (7 months ago) Permalink

Love this record.

― emil.y, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 01:53 (7 months ago) Permalink

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