Taking Sides: Let It Bleed VS. Sticky Fingers

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Please help me and a co-worker settle what's becoming a heated argument. In fact, I just said "holy fuck" in front of a four year old child.

My choice is Sticky Fingers, though I think he's right to say that in lead-off tracks, Gimmie Shelter beats Brown Sugar hands down. Monkey Man is his cut, which I understand and there's plenty of arguments in between - but at the end of the day, Can't You Hear Me Knocking destroys the whole lot.

And please, nothing about Jones vs. Taylor - BJ was hardly even on Let It Bleed.

Here are the track listings:

Let It Bleed:
Gimme Shelter
Love in Vain
Country Honk
Live With Me
Let It Bleed
Midnight Rambler
You Got the Silver
Monkey Man
You Can't Always Get What You Want

Sticky Fingers:
Brown Sugar
Sway
Wild Horses
Can't You Hear Me Knocking
You Gotta Move
Bitch
I Got the Blues
Sister Morphine
Dead Flowers
Moonlight Mile

Derek Erdmint, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

you win, Sticky Fingers by a (moonlight) mile. i think "Sister Morphine" pushes it over the edge.

jonviachicago, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the lesser songs on Sticky Fingers (You Gotta Move, I Got the Blues) render it less satisfying, overall, than Let it Bleed, which is wholly without filler.

Derek Krissoff (Derek), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, since Monkey Man is IMO the best Stones song, and since Let it Bleed doesn't drag in the middle the way I think Sticky Fingers does, I think I would have to go with Let it Bleed. If Let it Bleed suffers, it's because I rarely listen to the closing track; I usually pretend like Monkey Man is the last song. Nothing against YCAGWYW, it just suffers from insane over-exposure.

Although Sister Morphine, Dead Flowers, and Moonlight Mile is a HELL of a way to finish the record. It's close but I definitely listen to and enjoy Let it Bleed more.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Love both, but Let It Bleed. Never turns into a Santana album.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, come on, "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" ain't like Santana! It has a "guitar solo" in it, but otherwise, I don't hear that.

It's "Let It Bleed" all the way. I like "Sticky" a lot, but "Bleed" has more resonance, and yeah, "Monkey Man" is one of the half-dozen greatest Stones songs ever...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Aaaaaagh so very very close, but yeah, "Let It Bleed" takes it. You cannot argue with "Monkey Man," "Live With Me" is one of their best underrated album rock songs, ah the whole thing is fantastic.

"Sticky Fingers" definitely has the better closing suite though. OTM about the middle section dragging.

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

sticky fingers, although "let it bleed" is def in my top 5 stones songs...

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

wrong again, zack!

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

You are right. Sticky Fingers is really where it's at for the Stones. Both albums are fantastic, and when you add Exile and Beggars Banquet, it's one of the best 4-album runs in rock history.

But please, Sticky Fingers is magic.

Flash (cowboytrance), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

besides... Sticky Fingaz vinyl has the best interactive cover.

jonviachicago, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

dude, there were loads of BJs on Let It Bleed!

(I'll vote LIB by a mile, myself)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:03 (nineteen years ago) link

you know Pete...


it's on. if only there were some way of proving who was superior here....some trivia-based way...oh well.

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Sticky Fingers! LIB is more consistent OK, but the strength of Brown Sugar (should be in the OED under 'Rock and Roll'), Wild Horses, Hear Me Knockin, Moonlight Mile...is too great to deny. Production is better as well.

57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, come on, "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" ain't like Santana!

the fact that you knew which song I was referring to says it all. It's like that scene in a cop show where the guy says "I don't know nothin' bout no murder" and the cop says "who said anything about a murder?" BUSTED.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone would know what song you were referring to because the comparison had already been made over and over ad nauseum.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

EXACTLY

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

That doesn't make it accurate.
Sticky, BTW.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahahahahahahahaha - best encyclopedia brown moment of the day, miccio.

peter smith (plsmith), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

How did Downtown Encyclopedia Julie Brown know that the VJ was lying?

xpost:
Sticky Fingers, possibly because Sticky Fingers is to Let it Bleed as Rocks is to Toys in the Attic.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Sticky Fingers. The best songs on SF are just better than the best songs on LiB. I probably feel this way cuz I don't share the unequivocal love of ILM faves like Gimme Shelter (female vocals = ew) and Monkey Man (great song, marred by horrible horrible lyrics)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

whichever has the biggest cock.

Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Let It Bleed has both "Gimme Shelte" and "Monkey Man"....thus Let It Bleed wins by a vast, vast margin.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Sticky Fingers, although I probably would've said Let It Bleed had the two tracklistings not been posted. "Sway" and "Sister Morphine" pushed it over the top for me.

Vic Funk, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Have to go with the consensus and say Sticky, though "Wild Horses" is one of my least favorite Stones songs. "Brown Sugar," "Bitch," and "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" are incomparable and have the advantage of having been whored out to fewer movie soundtracks/TV ads than "You Can't Always Get What You Want" and "Gimme Shelter," and "Let It Bleed."

ffirehorse, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

the best song on either record is "Dead Flowers". which thankfully has never been used to crappy effect in *any* movie, as far as I know.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link

The last three "Sticky Fingers" songs have always seemed to me a trilogy of sorts, where Mick shows the full range of his vocal personae: the dissolute slattern ("Sister Morphine"), the am-I-joking-or-for-real buffoon ("Dead Flowers") and the utterly sincere balladeer who would make Otis Redding pause ("Moonlight Mile").

Crappy movie and all, if "Moonlight Mile" was on "Let it Bleed" instead of Country Honk, it'd be a masterpiece.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Sticky Fingers is better. Everybody knows that. You're not really a Stones fan if you're picking Let it Bleed.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Sez you.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Me too. "Sticky Fingers".

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

the one with "Dead Flowers" on it

Aaron A., Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(and the Townes Van Zandt cover on the Lebowski s/t is nearly as great)

Aaron A., Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

If forced to choose, I'll go with Sticky Fingers, which has "Sway" and "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" on it, two of my favorite Stones tunes, 1992 RS Album Guide Santana comparisons be damned. Let It Bleed is wonderful as well, and I might actually like it more on another day.

in the four-album run, I think it goes like this:

Exile>>>Sticky>Let It Bleed>Beggars Banquet

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

"female vocals = ew"??? the fuck?

i never liked sticky fingers much, i hate "can't you hear me knocking" and i'm pretty sick of the two big hits. whereas let it bleed just has this eerie, vaguely sinister atmosphere that i never get tired of.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, "Sway" is really the key cut for me. Amazing song. One of Charlie's best performances too.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 02:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"Wild Horses" also just an amazing piece of formalism. Seriously, the chord progression, the writing and production are just outstanding. really love the two epics, Morphine and Moonlight Mile .... yeah, really don't see how anyone could pick Bleed.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 02:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sway" makes you tremble with fear, no? As bleak, cold, and dread-inspirin as (no joke) Joy Division.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 03:01 (nineteen years ago) link

You're not really a Stones fan if you're picking Let it Bleed

Seriously dumm.

Let it Bleed is so awesome. Nothing they did later has the power of these tracks. Sticky Fingers is pretty bombastic in comparism, but I like it loads.

Bumfluff, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised by how much people here like Sister Morphine. It strikes me as hammy, especially the effects (or am I imagining this?) at the end of the line "I'm tyin' a scooore."

You Got the Silver, now there's a fine track.

Derek Krissoff (Derek), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I have long called Let It Bleed my favourite Stones LP and no one has yet convinced me that I am wrong. I'm no fan of diva vocals, but it works on "Gimme Shelter." While I never need hear "Brown Sugar" again, I can't quite get sick of YCAGWYW. And though I'm not overly fond of it, I'd rather listen to the Stones taking the piss with "Country Honk" than listen to "Honky Tonk Women" proper. "Monkey Man" has the funkiest, grooviest intro ever. And um fucking "Midnight Rambler." *sigh*

That said, I am very fond of Sticky Fingers, too. That twaaannng during "Bitch" is prolly my favourite Stones lick. And I like the idea of a shipment of LPs wrecking itself due to the zipper in the cover artwork. (Apparently it was eventually decided to have the zipper pulled down before packing/shipping to have the zipper press into the label of the album in front of it instead of into the playing surface.) One does have to be choosey about where one stores it so as to not wreck an important LP.

But, yeah, rambling now. LIB.

Kent Burt (lingereffect), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Sticky Fingers by a (cough)hair. Let It Bleed indeed has great songs but the production is a little stiff. I've always thought "Midnight Rambler" and "Live With Me" sound much better on Get Yr Ya-Yas Out.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Sticky Fingers over LIB cos of Sway (I think this is the kinda shit Tom Verlaine was on about when he said Television were mad into Mick Taylor), Knockin', Moonlight Mile and the picture of them all laughing inside. Plus in terms of sleeve-design we're talking Delia Smith vs Andy Warhol which I suspect is no contest.
But hell - (this may need a different thread) when are people gonna realise that nevermind the four albums from Beggars onwards - how come no-one's fave stones album is the (UK version) of Between The Buttons when it's quite clearly the most beautiful thing they ever made?

Neil kulkarni, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck when I voted Sticky I hadn't even remembered "Bitch" was on it, haha

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I've long thought Sticky Fingers is better than Let It Bleed: essentially "Bitch," "Moonlight Mile," "Brown Sugar," "Sway," and "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" (as long as you fade it halfway thru) vs "Gimme Shelter" and "Monkey Man." Plus at least a slight edge for "Wild Horses" over "YDLGWYW." Neither "Dead Flowers" or "Country Honk" is any better than any of their country parodies (all of which suck). "I Got the Blues" pretty much defines generic and "Sister Morphine" is easily the worst thing on either album, but I'm always more inclined to judge albums on their best rather than worst tracks. So Sticky Fingers without hesitation.

Burr (Burr), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Mick Taylor > Ronnie Wood

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Sticky Fingers, easily. LIB is way over-rated. LIB is more consistent? Please. Most of it is mediocre. The live version of "Midnight Rambler" on Hot Rocks is a lot better than the anemic studio version on LIB. "Let It Bleed" (the song) is of course one of the best things they ever did, but there's nothing else on LIB even close to it in quality. Their attempts at "pure" country and blues ("Country Honk" and "Love in Vain") are useful primarily as evidence that the Stones without le rock is like a French meal without wine. "Gimme Shelter" is overrated - it has a great riff, but not much else. "Monkey Man" and "Live With Me" are pretty disposable too. "You Can't Always Get What You Want" is over-produced.

Sticky Fingers on the other hand kicks like a mule.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

[Worth noting, maybe, that "Brown Sugar" actually dates from around the time of Bleed...]

Both great LPs, but "You Gotta Move" (which DOESN'T) was, I thought, the most embarrassing blues the Stones had ever recorded to that point in their career, so that tips the scales in favour of Let It Bleed, altho Sticky Fingers has the superior C&W tracks. (And FAR better album art!) "Monkey Man" is THE quintessential Keith Richards rhythm-guitar-as-lead-guitar riff. And yeah, I hate the "Can't Always Get..." children's choir, but then I hate 97% of all children's choirs, so I've learned to block 'em out by now. Stormy is essentially right: I'm not a Stones fan, tho I've liked & loved (& owned) a lot of their music over the years, and still do.
And finally, Beggar's Banquet remains the only (non-compilation) Stones album I love start-to-finish.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

well, the comparison between the guitar solo in "Can't You Hear Me Knocking" and *guitar solos* in Santana has been made millions of times. So I'm busted. But my point is, that's a totally superficial comparison--stylistically the two songs are worlds apart. The Stones were always better than Santana, that seems to me to be a bit of received wisdom as well. It's a good guitar solo. I will say that "Sticky" is where the Stones made concessions to the other music that was being made at the time--they'd done it before I guess, on "Satanic," but "Sticky" is where they go "professional rock" and all that. I've always liked "Honky Tonk Women" better than "Brown Sugar" anyway. I love "You Got to Move," I think that's far and away the best blues song the Stones ever did, it really the slow-drag vaudeville blues thing.

Anyway, those four albums are all great, I see very little difference in quality amng "Banquet," "Bleed," "Fingers" and "Exile." I'd rank 'em "Bleed," "Exile," "Banquet" and "Sticky" myself. And yeah, that live version of "Midnight Rambler" is superior to the studio version. But I also think that "Monkey Man" and "Gimme Shelter" are the two greatest Stones songs, as I always say, there's just something sorta extra-musical, super-musical, that happens there--some kinda shimmer or somethin'--that occurs in those two. And as a primer in understated rhythm guitar, "Monkey Man" is unbeatable. I'm busted.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
I vote for the one with "Memo from Turner" on it.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll take Sticky Fingers by a nose. But with regard to the Big Four, here's how I'd rank them:
Exile
Beggars
Sticky Fingers
Let It Bleed

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 20 October 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Picked this up last weekend:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_I9xlha2mUw4/SxQr6gmHrGI/AAAAAAAABWQ/ofmUStGGufE/s400/Nicky-Hopkins-Jamming-With-Edwa-342616.jpg

Had never heard of this or seen it before, but looks like it's not exactly obscure. But it's Nicky Hopkins and Ry Cooder jamming with Jagger, Wyman and Watts during breaks in recording during the Let It Bleed sessions. Not nearly as good as that suggests, but there's something interesting about it, a lo-fi boogie/blues set, quite spare actually, nice grooves, kind of fun that it actually exists and was issued as a proper LP in the early 70s. Guess the Stones could put out whatever they wanted during that time.

Mark, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:10 (fourteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Is it only me who finds Jagger's vocals on the title track of 'Let It Bleed' absolutely fuckin' hilarious?

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Monday, 13 May 2013 00:05 (ten years ago) link

nope. for some reason i love how unconvincing his southern accent is on that and other tracks. let it bleed is the clear winner for me in this poll, but i also love sticky fingers. whenever i listen to those two albums i am always struck by just how pleasurable they really are.

Treeship, Monday, 13 May 2013 00:08 (ten years ago) link

exile, i think, is better than both of these two albums.

Treeship, Monday, 13 May 2013 00:09 (ten years ago) link

LIB by a nose. mostly bc Sister morphine is pretty much the worst song

sons of plutarchy (will), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:07 (ten years ago) link

Sticky Fingers is better. Everybody knows that. You're not really a Stones fan if you're picking Let it Bleed.

so stupid

much much MUCH prefer beggars banquet to sticky fingers

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:10 (ten years ago) link

I love "You Got to Move," I think that's far and away the best blues song the Stones ever did

this is very otm.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 13 May 2013 02:15 (ten years ago) link

if i'm getting together with someone live with me is the funniest song ever but if i'm breaking up with someone it's dead flowers

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:16 (ten years ago) link

so i go back and forth

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:16 (ten years ago) link

dead flowers is one of my favorite songs ever. almost pushes sticky fingers ahead of let it bleed... but doesn't

Treeship, Monday, 13 May 2013 02:18 (ten years ago) link

let is bleed is pretty damn spectacular. but my four favorite stones albums at various points in my life have been sticky, exile, beggars and between the buttons, and i'd still take any of them over let it bleed.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 13 May 2013 02:19 (ten years ago) link

yeah absolutely re dead flowers xp. top ten ever. does sit pretty sloppy against sister morphine, i guess.

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:20 (ten years ago) link

yeah, sister morphine is pretty lame. marianne faithfull wrote it i think, so it's not even a stones song so it's a shame it's on the album. (i like marianne faithfull generally though.) between the buttons, xpost, is super classic too i agree. the cover is my favorite stones cover because it perfectly captures what the blue glow before a sunrise feels like after you've been awake all night

Treeship, Monday, 13 May 2013 02:25 (ten years ago) link

You can't like the Stones and dislike "Dead Flowers." Jagger's approach is exactly what makes the Stones.

A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:29 (ten years ago) link

most underrated stones album = the debut

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 13 May 2013 02:31 (ten years ago) link

As always, I apply the "Which album would Michael Morley sample?" standard, so Sticky Fingers.

^^^OTM

Ward Fowler, Monday, 13 May 2013 07:39 (ten years ago) link

I couldn't get into Let It Bleed for ages, apart from two or three songs - I kept trying because my two favourites are BB and SF and all three are cut from the same cloth really. 'Midnight Rambler' was the song that opened it up for me in the end, there's just something about the murky mood of that one that clicked (I feel like it could be on Exile even). I'd still vote for Sticky Fingers though.

Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 13 May 2013 11:08 (ten years ago) link

six years pass...

https://www.letitbleed50.com/

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Friday, 6 December 2019 09:15 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

I sung my song to Mr. Jimmy
Yeah, and he said one word to me, and that was "dead"

For my entire life until today I've thought the word Mr. Jimmy said here was "damn."

DEAD. Currently processing this.

I've lost track of how many Rolling Stones songs this has happened with.

Sticky Fingers >>> Let It Bleed

J. Sam, Monday, 1 November 2021 22:22 (two years ago) link

hmmph...for my entire life I've thought that the one word Mr. Jimmy said was dirty. Likesay, a dirty word. And that would be just like Mr. Jimmy!

henry s, Monday, 1 November 2021 22:53 (two years ago) link

Some think Mr. Jimmy said, "bed".

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 1 November 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link


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