AL GREEN: CLASSIC OR DUD?

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He is good drinking music.

― , Monday, 5 March 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

are you serious? this is easy: CLASSIC. The guy has one of the best voices ever.

― brent d., Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Nah, I was being stupid and reducing his music to "good drinking music". I was wondering if anyone would say he sucked. That woulda been funny.

― , Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Al Green sucks, dude.

Um, no, he doesn't. Classic, probably the best of all the great soul singers. But it's not just about the voice - the amazing no-frills metronomic Hi backbeat has a lot to do with why his records are so good. "Al Green Is Love" is probably my favourite soul non- compilation album ever.

― Tom, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

"Good drinking music", that makes him sound like Slade or something. What does Tanya think of Al Green ? I don't think anyone else here would say anything nasty about him. There aren't too many performers you could say that about.

― Patrick, Tuesday, 6 March 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Who?

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 7 March 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

WHAT???

SHAME ON YOU ALL.

Some of you are WRITERS. All, or most of you, claim to "love music". And yet this is the best you can do, a few shrugs and spindly sentences. This is the MAN. He has made the world an infinitely better place by just being around. BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP.

UBER-classic.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Sunday, 6 April 2003 20:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

What else is there to say?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 6 April 2003 20:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

That's more like it! Thanks.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Sunday, 6 April 2003 20:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

My favourite singer ever, and the music he made in the early '70s with Willie Mitchell producing and the Hodges Brothers and the peerless Al Jackson among the musicians is my favourite music ever. No one has ever sounded more as if they have explored and thought about and deeply felt every nuance of what he is singing about. Music gets no more beautiful and moving than Tired Of Being Alone, How Can You Mend A Broken Heart or Let's Stay Together.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 6 April 2003 20:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

He's the only guy who could make me go to church AND I'd probably let him fuck me.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 6 April 2003 21:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

i'd usually have nothing to say, simply because he's untouchable. i have never even questioned my love for his music.

― gaz (gaz), Sunday, 6 April 2003 21:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

I made it through most of my life not knowing what the big deal was until a pal lent me Call Me which, yeah, is incredible drinking music, and seems to get better with age...

― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 6 April 2003 22:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

i still quite like xgau's bit:

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/green-76.php

esp the first two paragraphs

i can't think of another artist/band for whom my love (and yeah it goes beyond a deep and abiding affection or respect or whutever) is so unexamined, so basic and (dare i say it) pure.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 6 April 2003 22:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I think I second that.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 7 April 2003 01:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

Green is obv a cut above, but as I think we've reached a "consensus of the willing" here (hopefully--it would be difficult for me to countenance dissent), who are your other favorite Hi Records singers/albums/singles?

I really like Otis Clay's Hi singles, like "Let Me Be the One."

More later.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 April 2003 02:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

OV Wright. A nickel and a nail. and Anne Peebles 99 Pounds or Tear your playhouse down.

― gaz (gaz), Monday, 7 April 2003 02:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Not a surprise for anyone who knows me but I pick Ann Peebles' "I Can't Stand the Rain" as not only the best pop single of all time but also really the only single that actually out-Memphises and out-souls "Let's Stay Together" and/or "Still in Love With You"

Kind of a surprise: I'm reviewing the reissues of those first Al Green albums on Hi, and Green Is Blue actually stacks up pretty well. Bonus track of him singing "I Want to Hold Your Hand" is OMG killa fire-honoring cover of all time

― Neudonym, Monday, 7 April 2003 04:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

Al Green's unlikely covers are amazing

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 April 2003 04:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

Beyond classic. Quintessential is more like it. Don't forget "Gets Next to You" either. An essential album that precedes the Trinity.

Ann Peebles'"Trouble, Heartaches, and Sadness" is another Hi-Records gem that Al Green lovahs should search from her great album, "Straight From the Heart."

― Cub, Monday, 7 April 2003 04:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Instead of putting out needless best-of after needless best-of (the original Greatest Hits from '75 is perfect, and the albums are basically all worth owning, HINT TOM) The Right Stuff really ought to just do a covers comp. What a thing of wonder that would be....

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 7 April 2003 12:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

are the new reissues that much of an improvement soundwise (a la the Stones reissues which are) I should rebuy them?

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 April 2003 13:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

...possibly the stupidest question ever posed in the history of mankind

― Dadaismus, Monday, 7 April 2003 13:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

JB: The reissues are okay, soundwise, but I wouldn't say the transfer is Oh My God Amazing You Can Hear The Spittle! or anything. But they've all got bonus tracks, and maybe if more of us buy these Hi/Right Stuff will reissue everything. Right now it's just the first four...I don't know when/if they're getting to the rest of it.

But them bonus tracks is special. Green Is Blues includes not only "I Want to Hold Your Hand" but also two originals and a cover of Chuck Berry's "Memphis, Tennessee"; Gets Next to You has a nice long version of "Ride Sally Ride" and a couple more.

― Neudonym, Monday, 7 April 2003 14:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Listen," a collection of rarities (earlier released on LP as "Love Ritual") is great. The remixed "bwana" version of "Love Ritual" is crazed Memphis/Afrobeat at its best. Willie Mitchell did a lot of great stuff--the Hi Records box contains much to enjoy. Bowlegs Miller doing "What Do You Mean" is probably my favorite non-Green Hi record, a truly insane song that my girlfriend notes I put on every single mix tape I made for a while, like Green I am an evangelist.

Mitchell's Royal Recording studio is still there in S. Memphis. Last time I visited the Big "S" Grill made a very good barbecue sandwich, good jukebox, and there's always Josie's Tamales near there if you need tamales, not to mention Blue Suede Shoe Shine...

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

I saw Al Green a couple of years ago in a big soft seat theatre and when he started "L-O-V-E", I somehow managed to leap to my feet in overexcitement and then instinctively tried to sit right back down in embarassment but my seat had automatically folded back up under me so I fell on my ass and as I got to my feet redfaced and I looked around me redfaced, everyone was just smiling happily at me like "I KNOW! I KNOW!" It was one of the nicest moments I've ever had seeing live music.

also, as others have mentioned here, there's a wealth of great stuff by other Hi artists like Ann Peebles, O.V. Wright, Otis Clay & Syl Johnson if you want more of that sound - what a band! Al Jackson and the Grimes bros, Willie Mitchell production... oh, oh, and Jess Hill is otm about the "Love Ritual" collection - "Up Above My Head is my favourite Al track maybe... sorry, it's just so fucking good... I'm about to fall off my chair again.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

Otis Clay's "If I Could Reach Out (And Help Somebody)" is my favorite record in that late 60s/early 70s help-your-neighbor soul subgenre. Actually that's selling it short because that subgenre contained a lot of dross. It's a beautiful song and has the power to redeem the cliche referenced in the title. Another great Hi singer was George Jackson who sang one sang whose melody sounds suspiciously like the Clay tune just mentioned: "Aretha, Sing One for Me."

Like Stax/Volt etc., Hi's output was so prolific that a lot of horn and string charts, melodies, lyrical ideas, etc. got recycled. I have absolutely no problem with that whatever. It's actually a good way to determine what a given singer brings to the table.

I actually really like the later Hi stuff, from the late '70s, which both is slightly hampered by and benefits from a certain slackness, or quietude. Examples would be Ann Peebles's If This Is Heaven, Syl Johnson's Total Explosion, Al Green's Have a Good Time, etc.

O.V. Wright is sort of a force of nature; his Hi stuff sounds more like his pre-Hi stuff than you'd expect. He doesn't go "uptown" as much as other Hi artists of the period. "That's the Way I Feel About 'Cha" is a great balance though.

Crosspost w/Fritz!

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:21 (10 years ago) Permalink

otis clay's "turning over the ground" deserves special mention too... and I meant "hodges bros." not "grimes bros.", I think. I need a valium thinking about this stuff.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

also the cover art of the fantastic "Al Green Is Love" is hilarious, because the front cover is all nice and you look at it and think, "oh, Al Green Is Love" and then flip over to the back cover, where he's all sweaty and screwed up looking and you think , "Ugh, Al Green Is Stoned!"

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

haha!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

but anyway if anyone wants to argue about Al Green, the question is surely "Is any of the post-secular/post-Hi stuff any good?"

I don't really know, not having ventured into it... though the oft-maligned "The Belle Album" - the transitional one - is quite good.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

also, anyone ever been here?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

YES I HAVE BEEN! The fulfillment of all my Brit white-boy fantasies!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

RFI, S&D: Al Green's gospel recordings (though hardly anyone responded)

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 April 2003 14:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

Absolute classic. By the way, for those, like me, who are collecting the albums as they reissue them with bonus tracks, I emailed the label and they said that Call Me should be reissued by the end of the year, so I'm assuming that there's going to be another set of reissues coming soon.

― Jonathan, Monday, 7 April 2003 15:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Belle Album" as far as I can tell has never been maligned. I have the orig. old Hi LP of it--I feel safe in asserting that it's Green's greatest album. "Call Me" is great too.

I was re-reading some Xgau reviews the other day and came across something he said about Green and the rhythm-section thing happening on those classic Hi records. Xgau says something about the "thick 3rd-beat" emphasis of the drumming and as far as I can tell that's a classic howler--Xgau can't count. He's hearing the second beat as the third beat for some reason--he's counting the eighth notes as quarter notes.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Monday, 7 April 2003 15:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was gonna say, is Belle Album really "oft-maligned?" In any case, it's great. Really great, often overlooked Al Green tracks: "That's the Way It Is," "Let It Shine," "Home Again," "Country Boy," "Feels Like Summer," "To Sir With Love."

― Burr (Burr), Monday, 7 April 2003 17:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

as far as I can tell that's not a howler at all--since the songs are in 4/4 time why wouldn't he count them that way? I always have.

search Hi Rhythm's On the Loose, reissued a couple years ago w/some photo instead of whatever the original cover art was. they're not kidding--it's really loose, like about-to-fall-apart loose, and extremely charming for it

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 7 April 2003 17:42 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's a howler because he's counting the second beat as the third. If you count the eighth notes as quarter notes then "one-and-two" gets misheard as "one-two-three." So Xgau thinks the drummer is accenting on the third beat when it's really the second. That's a howler.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Monday, 7 April 2003 19:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

In fairness to Xgau, I think the term "howler" should be reserved for really egregious and obvious errors. As far as I'm concerned this is just a simple mistake; one that I would never have picked up on.

I love Al Green btw.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 7 April 2003 19:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Wow, this turned from a no-brainer to an all-hearter, or something...

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 06:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

anyone asks me what the definition of sensual soul is i say Al Green is, love.

― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 09:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's all a bit schmaltzy though, isn't it?
Not to mention the fact that they all just blend together.
Exceptions: "Here I Am Baby," and "Now That I've Found You."

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 10:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yeah--but not being able to comprehend the basic rhythm of an artist for whom you later write liner notes seems pretty fucking egregious to me.

Ace Al Green track, the one I love above all: "Love is Real." The way he says "Say something..."

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

only Jess Hill knows anything about music shockah

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

He noticed a beatical oddity, that'll do won't it? This isn't an exam! Huge classic. Finding the two Lp 'Greatest Hits' for $2 may be my greatest ever record bargain, a lot of it is just too simply (in emotional terms) perfect to say much about. I like it, I think you should hear it if you haven't.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

what? you have to ask if al greens classic? dumb thread

― bobo t, Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

only Jess Hill knows anything about music shockah

-- M Matos

Man, all I said was that I can count. Maybe that's a shockah where you come from.

― Jess Hill (jesshill), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

Arithmetic is sorta taboo in Minneapolis (motherfucker's loves thems some algebra though)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 15:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

It used to make me cry whenever he came on Ally McBeal.

I will leave that sentance as it stands for Dan's pleasure, but you know what I mean.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 19:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

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classic in my eyes

― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 18 November 2007 14:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

i love al to death but i dont think he has any great albums

You're missing out, man!

Al Green Gets Next To You is fire! Let's Stay Together is yoga flame! But I don't think it gets better than I'm Still in Love With You.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 November 2007 14:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

hmm.

i actually harbour evil suspicions about people that dont like al green. if you dont love him, fine, but if you dont like him? something sinister is at work.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 18 November 2007 15:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

If you actively dislike Al Green, then I can never respect anything you have to say about anything.

― caek, Sunday, 18 November 2007 15:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

the best al green album is the 'true love' compilation.

― veryloggedout, Monday, 31 December 2007 13:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

no, it isn't...The Belle Album is...wonderful way of dealing with born-again-ism ("it's you I want but Him that I need"...the holy trinity love triangle)..."Feels Like Summer" couldn't be a more appropriate song title, and "Dream", well, if I ever get hitched (ILM Poster In Unmarried SHOCKER!) that will be "our" song...(if I can sell it, which I'm sure I can)...

― henry s, Monday, 31 December 2007 16:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm very fond of Livin' For You's "Beware."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 31 December 2007 16:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

This is still the most retarded question ever asked on ILM.

― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 31 December 2007 16:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

HOOS otm

― forksclovetofu, Monday, 31 December 2007 16:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

the best al green album is the belle album

― strgn, Saturday, 19 January 2008 11:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

arguable

― The Brainwasher, Saturday, 19 January 2008 11:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

― strgn, Saturday, 19 January 2008 11:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha yes. but belle is at least top 3 rite

― strgn, Saturday, 19 January 2008 11:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Rite. Classic album.

― Tom D., Saturday, 19 January 2008 11:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

georgia boy owns 99.9% of everything ever

― strgn, Saturday, 19 January 2008 11:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

Those who like the follow-up to The Belle Album should come vote on this thread: Best Version Of "I Say A Little Prayer"

― James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 19 January 2008 14:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

On one listen, liking his new album quite a bit. Even the Corrine Bailey Rae duet.

― The Reverend, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 06:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

not heard it all yet but thought the songwriting on the tracks i have checked out werent quite as strong as the production/instrumentation. or maybe its just that his voice cant make them seem better than they are anymore.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 10:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

We play it at on the stereo at my bookstore, and beneath the racket of customers, it's sounds pretty indistinguishable from Classic Al. There doesn't seem to be a real killer track, but it's very pleasant, and I think I appreciate "pleasant" a lot more these days than I used to.

― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 16:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

I will be purchasing this album as soon as humanly possible.

And yeah, this was the dumbest question ever asked on ILM. How can you ever question the good Reverend?

― B.L.A.M., Tuesday, 27 May 2008 17:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

the title track is gorgeous.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 May 2008 17:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

On Letterman tonight.

― Kerm, Friday, 6 June 2008 03:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

i'm offended someone even asked this question.

― chicago kevin, Friday, 6 June 2008 03:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

Can anyone copypasta that story about Al Green and the hot grits that his girlfriend threw at him?

― J@cob, Friday, 6 June 2008 06:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

show last night here was amazing.

― s1ocki, Sunday, 29 June 2008 22:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

"Belle Album" as far as I can tell has never been maligned

Hard to believe I know, but it is maligned in the sleevenotes to "The Legendary Hi Albums, Volume 3" which, of course, includes... "The Belle Album"! The guy who wrote the sleevenotes, who is obv. an Al Green fan, says that "The Belle Album" was a big disappointment when it was released + goes on to criticise the musicianship and esp. use of the string synth. Rather incredibly he seems to consider "Truth n' Time" and "Have a Good Time" as better albums!

― Tom D., Monday, 21 July 2008 09:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, you hate to call deafness on other writers, but . . .

― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Monday, 21 July 2008 10:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

A really filp and facile thing to say would to be that "The Belle Album" is, in some ways, Al Green's "There's a Riot Goin' On"... so, being a flip and facile guy, I'm going to say that "The Belle Album" is, in some ways, Al Green's "There's a Riot Goin' On".

― Tom D., Monday, 21 July 2008 10:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

This past week on The Best of Soul Train, they reran the ep from '74 when the Rev opened and closed the show playing live with his road band
Killer.

― C. Grisso/McCain, Monday, 21 July 2008 15:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

FUCK. The first time in at least a few months that I've missed Soul Train and they show one with Al Green!!

― Granny Dainger, Monday, 21 July 2008 16:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

Watched that one, too. Why was Al's right arm in a sling?

― briania, Monday, 21 July 2008 16:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

Burnin' grits?

― Tom D., Monday, 21 July 2008 16:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

OMG that soul train was so so good. It's so rare that they did live shows and even rarer that they let the artist do two songs back to back and goddamn did he tear it up. Everything onstage at that performance was dope: the pink toms, the purple glitter hoody on the cat playing congas... such a sweet piece of video.

It's been a few good weeks on Soul Train: Letta M'bulu and Yellow Magic Orchestra lately!

― forksclovetofu, Monday, 21 July 2008 17:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

SHUT UP YOU GUYS

― Granny Dainger, Monday, 21 July 2008 17:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh, yeah, that Letta M'bulu show was cool, if if it was a lip-synch. DC was actually dignified & respectful with her. The live performance I keep hoping they'll re-broadcast is Earth Wind & Fire doing the whole hour.

― briania, Monday, 21 July 2008 17:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

YMO did an electronic cover of Tighten Up that was the coolest fuckin thang.

― forksclovetofu, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's been a few good weeks on Soul Train: Letta M'bulu and Yellow Magic Orchestra lately!

Yeah, I saw the Al Green and YMO episodes too! I posted elsewhere about the assholism that Don Cornelius put on display with YMO ("Ahahaha, they're Japanese and they have funny names!")

I only caught the last Al Green song, " ", but he had flowers all over the stage and his hand along with the mic, he was wearing hot yellow pants, and his arm is in a cast. Effortless dominance.

― Z S, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 04:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Here I am (Come and Take Me)", I meant to add in there, d'oh.

― Z S, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 04:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Georgia Boy"

― strgn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 09:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

That might be my favorite song of all time.

― strgn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 09:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

Along with four or five other al green tracks, then it gets to the heathens....

― strgn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 09:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

But "georgia boy"

― strgn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 09:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Stand Up" a close second

― strgn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 10:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

A second.

― strgn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 10:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

GEORGIA BOY FOR ALL TIME, OM FUCKING G

― strgn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 10:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

long time coming

― strgn, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 10:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Watched that one, too. Why was Al's right arm in a sling?

This was before the grits thing. During the interview Don asked him about this injury, and Al replied something along the lines of "After a show, me and some of my fans had a disageement on whether or not I should have gotten into my car." (IIRC, I think his hand got smashed by a car door after a gig).

― C. Grisso/McCain, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 20:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

GEORGIA BOY FOR ALL TIME, OM FUCKING G

― strgn, Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:19 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark

― Euler, Sunday, 29 August 2010 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Beware"

― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 August 2010 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

He is good drinking music.

― , Monday, 5 March 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh guys Belle so incredible wrassling with yr better instincts and yr proper instincts

― thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 12:02 (7 months ago) Permalink

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