And I agree. It makes me cry too, almost every time. It's a song of almost overwhelming emotional force and resonance.
Except for one thing.
I don't understand it.
Because it feels like all the action is off-camera, and no-one has quite told you what is going on. In this respect, you can sympathise with the bewilderment of the groom, to a certain extent. Has the bride died? Has she eloped with someone else? Was she pregnant? Have her family snatched her away? Was there a still-birth? What's going on here?
Your explanations are welcomed.
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 14:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
I hate to tell you how he acted when the news arrived He took some friends out drinking andIt's lucky they survivedWell, he told them everything there was to tell there along the wayAnd he felt so bad when he saw the tracesOf old lies still on their facesSo why don't someone here just spike his drinkWhy don't you do him in some old waySupposed to be a funeralIt's been a bad, bad day
The Reverend Dr. William GraceWas talking to the crowdAll about the sweet child's holy face andThe saints who sung out loudAnd he swore the fiercest beasts Could all be put to sleep the same silly wayAnd where are the flowers for the girlShe only knew she loved the worldAnd why ain't there one lonely horn and one sad note to playSupposed to be a funeralIt's been a bad, bad daySupposed to be a funeralIt's been a bad, bad day.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 14:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
Reading the lyrics makes me realize how much of the emotion is NOT in the words, but in the presentation. What is it about the combination of his flattish/"plain" voice and Emmylou's???
― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 15:00 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 15:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
― stew, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 15:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
Incidentally, I don't MIND if the lyrics don't make sense ... it's just that if a coherent meaning CAN be extracted, then I'd like to know about it.
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:00 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:02 (5 years ago) Permalink
― laticsmon (laticsmon), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
is the third verse a non-sequitir? is it the reverend officiating at the wedding. the "same beasts" thing just seems like an elliptical way of describing a fire-and-brimstone sermon. but it does seem as though he's actually referring to a funeral in the third verse, doesn't it?
crazy gram.
much of it is a riff on that cliché "hey, cheer up, everyone, this isn't a funeral!"
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
And he felt so bad when he saw the tracesOf old lies still on their faces
perhaps there were things his friends thought they should have told him before the wedding, but didn't? did the girl run off with someone else? somehow despite all the missing info my picture of the night of the wedding (the bender) is unusually vivid, with this self-destructive groom being trailed by guilty-looking friends concerned for his safety.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
it's pretty straightforward, at least to me. she's gone and the groom showed up anyway. maybe the bride had some history with the groom's friends, hence "old lies." the reverend don't get the score--his proscriptions are "silly" and he doesn't get the fact that the bride-to-be needed to get out and see the world. I think Parsons is comparing the funeral scene, which is a different event, to the wedding, and points out that the platitudes of the Rev don't get at why the bride needed to not show up to the funeral. Parsons shows compassion for both bride and groom.
it's a masterpiece--Parsons's masterpiece, as far as I'm concerned.
― es hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
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― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
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― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:30 (5 years ago) Permalink
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― es hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
Amateurist, I think what your mishearing as an "octave jump" is Emmylou's harmony (I don't have the song with me, but that's how I hear it in my head).
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
faulkner is a good comparison. i'm sure gram was familiar with faulkner too.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
― es hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
Couldn't "went away" in the first verse be a euphemism for "she died"? With the notes being passed around the church before anyone even gets round to telling the groom up at the altar, the use of the euphemism heightens the sense that people aren't being strictly truthful with the groom - a theme which continues in the second verse, with the "old lies". In fact, I sense that no-one thinks much of the groom (including the bride's "mean old" mother) - maybe it WAS a shotgun wedding, and maybe the bride died during pregnancy?
So the bride is dead, the wedding is cancelled, the groom goes out and gets drunk that night instead of getting married - during which time he realises that the bride has probably been sleeping with his friends. Maybe it wasn't even his child? Maybe he was duped into the marriage?
This means that Verse Three is the bride's funeral, set at a later date.
I agree that we're meant to find the reverend's platitudes fairly lame and inadequate. Take "she only knew she loved the world" - isn't that a mealy-mouthed reference to the bride's pre-marital sexual history? And then, note the plainness of the funeral: no flowers, no music, barely a worthy send-off at all. It seems that she has died in disgrace, pregnant out of wedlock in a conservative rural community.
In which case, the song's sympathies lie primarily with the groom.
Does that all add up?
― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
― laticsmon (laticsmon), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Snappy (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
It wasn't even a bad song, though I don't claim that it was another '$1000 Wedding'.
― the bellefox, Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 18:02 (5 years ago) Permalink
The thing I like about Parsons at his best is how he never quite comes out and says it, you know? Like in "Big Mouth Blues." "So you just tell me what's the sense of me sittin' here leavin'/When any old day I might get even." That's beautiful, so sly.
"$1000 Wedding": I don't think the bride is dead, I think she's just gone, which is maybe even worse. Parsons asks how come there isn't a funeral if you're going to act that way, and then I think he turns the whole thing into a funeral, why the hell not? The implication is that the girl was wild anyway and that the groom's buddies all had suppressed some information about her wild days, but it all showed on their faces anyway. Which again, in the world of Parsons, is just as bad as death, if not worse. Lying. I think it's possible he saying that if you're going to pontificate about the dead and how "death can be put to sleep some silly way," why not talk about the *living*, like the girl, who just wanted to live, get out of New Orleans or Macon or Waycross? Why give flowers to the dead and not to the living? That's my reading of it anyway. Shit, I love this song.
― es hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 19:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
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― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 22:00 (5 years ago) Permalink
I want to know what kind of trouble we're in...
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 22:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
Also we can't be sure that 'old lies' refers to the girl's hidden relationships with his friends. They may refer to the cliches that people regurgitate to try to provide comfort when bad things happen.
― Amarga (Amarga), Friday, 18 February 2005 11:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
― peepee (peepee), Friday, 18 February 2005 17:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
in other worse, what "peepee" said.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 18 February 2005 23:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
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And as to a line no one else addressed:
"And why ain't there one lonely horn and one sad note to play"
The grieving process--perhaps this song itself--is about coming to this place or this perspective, summing it up and moving on. Grief and emotions (at least according to Sartre) were about not being about to put things in perspective. Grief is a response to something we have not figured out how to respond to. I think this song was highly personal to Parsons (he went through something like it himself) and this is a result of long years commiserating over it.
― rbslo, Saturday, 16 June 2007 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
I believe that's a reference to Kierkegaard's Repetition:
The young man sank down sadly Bright tears from his eyes did rain He sat him down upon a stone And his heart it broke in twainLong live the post-horn! It is my kind of instrument for many reasons, but mainly because you can never be sure of getting the same note out of it twice... If oyu give your friends post horns instead of an answer, you will have told them nothing but explained everything. Praised be the post-horn!
Long live the post-horn! It is my kind of instrument for many reasons, but mainly because you can never be sure of getting the same note out of it twice... If oyu give your friends post horns instead of an answer, you will have told them nothing but explained everything. Praised be the post-horn!
Parsons studied Kierkegaard at Harvard.
― eater, Saturday, 16 June 2007 19:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
I mean, yeah, wow, Jesus Christ. This song is absolutely killing me lately.
i've always loved this song, it reads like Faulkner.
That's gotta be why I like it so much. The religious shift in the third verse is hell of Faulknerian.
Is there ANY other country music with lyrics that can be "read" to this extent? The Flatlanders come close but this song is like totally in a class of its own.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 19:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
"I hate to tell you how he acted when the news arrived He took some friends out drinking and It's lucky they survived"
^love that part
― bnw, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 19:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Here's my $1000 worth - one way to look at it.
He's waiting at the altar and the atmosphere isn't right - "Well, why ain't there a funeral, if you're gonna act that way?" He's the last to know that his bride isn't going to show, and when he finds out, he tries to drink her off his mind.
But after pouring out his soul, he finds out that his friends are somehow involved - the final kick in the teeth. If the whole world's against him, someone might as well just do him in. This was supposed to be the 'funeral of his wedding' but instead he finds that he’s been betrayed by his friends.
Now cut to what would appear to be her actual funeral - we can't know how long after - and the only person that seems to have forgiven her is the protagonist. Everyone else feels some kind of shame or guilt relating to her; no one’s even concerned about her at all: “where are the flowers for the girl?” They’re busy dwelling on their individual mistakes or hers, when they should be together in their sadness: "why ain't there one lonely horn and one sad note to play?"
In all the situations, people are tangled up in their guilt instead of offering their sympathy or sharing their feelings.
That's how it seems to me, more or less.
I’d never analysed the narrative of this one in great depth before – I was always intrigued by the fact that he sings “It’s supposed to be a funeral” when it was clearly supposed to be a wedding. And I love the fact that the flowers for the girl come into it twice. I guess you can read it slightly differently to the way I’ve described above but really the specific details are unimportant. It’s an incredible song.
― andysz, Saturday, 27 October 2007 11:20 (2 years ago) Permalink