The Thread Where We List The People Who Put Kanye As Their Token Rap Album on an indiecentric top 10 2004 list

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"Are You Gonna Be My Girl" and "Cold Hard Bitch" went top 40, dude.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

and they're also mainstream rock hits. "Look What You've Done" appears to be heading up the same trajectory despite being a really lame ballad.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "top 40": where'd they peak - 32? modern rock is a notch above jazz in terms of it's impact on 'the greater pop culture' right now, ESP in comparison to clinton era or even pre-nevermind era (haha - "the golden years"!) eg. where did 'seven nation army' peak on the pop charts? where did 'groovy train'? and believe me 'groovy train' was not the modern rock juggernaut of it's era (that'd be emf's "unbelievable", an actual number one single, back when modern rock radio hits were actual hits).

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

jesus jones had TWO top five hits, jet's biggest (and believe me, "are you gonna be my girl" is and will remain jet's biggest hit) peaks at 29. with HUGE promotional push behind it (hello ea sports!).

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

dude I was comparing them to BLUR. I know they aren't as big as Jesus Jones.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link

and Jet's definitely having more success off one album then Blur did stateside. Blur gets points for longevity

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link

My point remains that Big Brit Acts are stripped for parts in the US unless they're balladeers (Coldplay, Oasis). Franz Ferdinand may beat it by resembling Hugh Grant more than any band previous (no artistic ambition, just wry sex-obsession and dance beats).

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Elwisty: did he see his mention?

I doubt it, he seemed confused by ILM, as in is I don't think he quite understood the layout and had other more important things to do than spend days exploring (and that's what you need to make sense of this place) websites recomended by smart arse students. I don't really want to comment on his list itself 'cos he was nice though it was only an elective and I doubt I will see him again. He told us he used to be The Guardian's Northern music corespondent which seemed very impressive.

― elwisty, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

haha I suddenly got this mental image of the lead singer from Jet becoming embroiled in a huge controversy after claiming that his band is "bigger than Jesus Jones".

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Blount would go all Byron Crawford on his ass.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:51 (nineteen years ago) link

haha miccio AMERICAN rock acts are stripped for parts in the us unless they're balladeers, jet might be bigger in comparison to the rest of the modern rock field than blur was in 97 or 94 or 91 (MIGHT) but they're still relatively smaller since the modern rock field's presence on the pop landscape is incredibly smaller than in 97 or 94 or 91. you're effectively arguing that that bright eyes number one selling single is a bigger hit than bruce springsteen ever managed!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:52 (nineteen years ago) link

that 'are you gonna be my girl' video is vaguely similar to the 'real, real, real' video

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

you're effectively arguing that that bright eyes number one selling single is a bigger hit than bruce springsteen ever managed!

dude.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:39 (nineteen years ago) link

you're like the guy who wants to win the chicken race so bad you fly off the cliff

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

you're like the guy who wants to believe anyone still listens to modern rock radio in 2005!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

10 million Linkin Park fans can't be wrong

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:51 (nineteen years ago) link

haha ROCK IS BACK!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link

when modern rock radio can produce a hit as big as clay aiken let me know

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:55 (nineteen years ago) link

um. I just mentioned one that's bigger.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Measure Of A Man went double platinum. The new one is platinum. Hybrid Theory did 8. Meteora's done 5.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 03:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I admit they're not as big as Shania.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm sorry, what was linkin park's number one hit again?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hybrid Theory was the best selling album of 2002.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

and what was that linkin park song that you just heard EVERYWHERE, what was the name of that one again?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"In The End."

I like how you got on this kick just cuz I said Jet had more hits than Blur.

you're like the guy who wants to win the chicken race so bad you fly off the cliff

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

are you gonna ask me when Linkin Park was played at a wedding now?

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never argued that modern rock was the most popular genre in the country, but people are clearly still listening to it.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link

De La only token rap alb that matters 2004 holla.

― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

if ten million bought it, eleven million heard it and dude i'm pretty sure more than eleven million people have heard "song 2" (nevermind "groovy train"). rockophiles a slightly larger cult than anglophiles: big deal. noone else cares. what was the last modern rock radio hit to go top ten without adult contemporary help? (feel free to include british balladeers here too)(though turns out they get more ears than american balladeers)("toppins, toppins").

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

and actually, in the case of Linkin and Jet (the two bands I've mentioned), we're talking about modern/mainstream/crossover

(x-post)

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

and "song 2" wasn't even their biggest hit, right?

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno about latest, but Linkin's "In The End" went to No. 2 on the Top 40 (no. 1 Top 40 mainstream). And adult contemporary is way more friendly to modern rock crossover than rap (I mean they played "Bring Me To Life")

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

stop it you two you're TEARING ME APART

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

right! but a fairly big modern rock radio hit in 1997 is a HUGER hit than your biggest modern rock (non-ac) hit in 2005 (note: NOT 2001)(ask skid row the difference between 1995 and 1991). cf. the most famous active heavyweight in 2005 isn't nearly as famous as the third most famous heavyweight in 1975.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

jet is bigger than blur ever was

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

sales, top 40 crossover, fact

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

except more people have actually heard a song by blur. in america. fact.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

say what you will about market size for the genre in its entirety. who cares? I just said Jet was bigger than blur.

(x-post. thank ESPN)

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "cassandra wilson is bigger than duke ellington ever was. sales, top 40 crossover, fact."

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i am thinking espn, i'm not the dude who had to turn to the blogosphere to find out about ashlee simpson getting booed.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

you really over-estimate the size of Blur on the US alt-rock marketplace in the 90s

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

and there ain't no shame in not watching the Orange Bowl half-time special

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Jet may be the Cassandra Wilson of modern rock but Damon sure wasn't the Duke.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/sn_arc99/12_11_99/mathland3.gif

FACT!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:35 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.35degrees.com/PhotoPages/sumo/smooth_moves.JPG

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I'VE GOT MY HASH PIPE!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

HUUH!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

2001 is not 2005, blount. Ask Sebastian Bach.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:43 (nineteen years ago) link

the first time i ate pussy it was to a skid row song

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

hmm maybe delete that mods

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

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