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Pitchforkmedia.com Music Dudes Dictate Culture From Chicago

by Hillary Frey

"Who are these people?" asks Michael Klausman, 29, a manager and buyer
at Other Music, the tiny East Village record store frequented by music
obsessives of the hipster order. "These unknown writers have more
legitimacy in terms of making or breaking a record than writers from
The Village Voice, Spin or Rolling Stone."

Mr. Klausman is talking about the kids behind Pitchforkmedia.com, the
online music magazine, and he's not alone in his curiosity. The site
is read, debated, demonized and lionized by dutiful hipsters from East
Fourth Street to Bedford Avenue, but no one in New York seems to know
who's running the show. Pitchfork reads like it comes straight out of
Williamsburg, with its snarky attitude and unabiding devotion to indie
rock. But—surprise!—Pitchfork comes to us via a basement in Chicago.

Despite its far-flung location, a glowing Pitchfork review sells CD's
at the Virgin Megastore in Union Square and fills up shows at the
Bowery Ballroom. A negative review can stall sales and, since
Pitchfork is nearly always the first to review a record, inspire other
critics to gang up on a new album. Indie labels from Matador to Misra,
and a handful of majors including Interscope and Capitol, are piping
money into Pitchfork as they buy up the site's ad space to market to
its coveted readership. Capitalizing on the momentum generated this
year, Pitchfork will relaunch in early 2005, replete with a new design
as well as fresh features.

As Dan Hougland, 29, a floor manager at Other Music, puts it:
"Pitchfork is totally defining a cottage industry." In the
pre-Internet era, music zealots (who typically turn their noses up at
mainstream music mags) had to comb through mail-order record catalogs
and handmade zines to find out about the next big thing. But
Pitchfork, with its trove of reviews and guides to the best records,
has made it possible for band-dudes-cum-young-professionals to stay
connected to music in their post-collegiate life. Other online review
sites exist, of course, but Pitchfork seems to have captivated New
Yorkers more than any other.

And though the site is still too small to have much influence on major
labels, the fact that it publishes daily has given it a huge edge in
the world of music media. (Chances are that the hoodie-wearing tech
guy in your office scans the site during his morning Internet-reading
rituals.) Pitchfork is a popular blogosphere reference point. The
media gossip site Gawker name-checks it frequently, and Time Out New
York references Pitchfork in its listings.

Pitchfork is still largely associated with indie rock, but the site
has given an increasing amount of coverage to pop, dance, hip-hop, rap
and Britpop in the last year or so. The willingness of its young and
largely unknown writers to slay the sacred cows of the indie scene, or
to call out a bad idea in the mainstream—recently, the song "Collison
Course," a mash-up of Linkin Park and Jay-Z, was named as a contender
for "Worst Cash-In Hybrid of 2004"—has conferred upon it a credibility
that no one seems to assign anymore to print music magazines.

Jonathan Galkin, 32, of Manhattan-based DFA records (home to the likes
of downtown favorites Black Dice and the Rapture), explains the site's
popularity among purists this way: "A Lester Bangs–type critic doesn't
exist anymore in America, because magazines don't really trash records
anymore—they're way too dependent on that label's advertising dollars.
Everything out there in print is sugar-coated, where I find that
Pitchfork is just way more honest." In addition to its five daily
reviews, Pitchfork's news items are a big draw for the site. Plenty of
readers skip the criticism but find it hard to resist the gossip—about
the latest indie band to jump to a major label, newly announced tour
dates, the breakup of a favorite group or, in a recent example, the
revelation that a member of the Vines has autism.

One might wonder: If a major music tastemaker is coming out of
Chicago, is New York losing its grip on hip? Of course, nothing seems
different. In fact, the ubiquity of the "hipster" has never been quite
this intense. You know the one: He's riding the L train, wearing a
snug striped sweater, plugged into his iPod, with some band you've
never heard of—Animal Collective, the Books, Death from Above
1979—piping into his ears. His girlfriend dons a mixture of textured
fabrics, has multi-tinted hair (though in natural shades—no pinks) and
is listening to the Futureheads. (Make no mistake: This reporter,
minus the hair style, might on certain days be mistaken for half of
this pair.) These kids used to be the arbiters of edgy taste, their CD
collections a guide to what must be purchased, owned and fetishized in
order to be part of the vanguard of culture.

But with the increasing respectability of Web journalism, a tastemaker
can come from anywhere. All a person really needs is a sprinkling of
ambition, a computer, a rudimentary knowledge of HTML and an Internet
connection. At least that's all 28-year-old Ryan Schreiber had when he
started Pitchfork back in 1995. In nine years, the site has gone from
a fan page largely written by Mr. Schreiber with a few hundred readers
to a full-fledged magazine drawing 115,000 visitors on an average
weekday. Mr. Schreiber is only beginning to realize the power that
comes with such a loyal following.

Tipping the Scales

"Pitchfork is certainly a place that other writers and people in the
industry look to as one of the barometers of what people are thinking
is cool," says Tracks magazine former editor in chief and co-founder
Alan Light, who has also stood at the helm of Vibe and Spin. "It's a
different kind of writing than print—it's kind of shoot-from-the-hip,
for better or for worse."

Mr. Hougland of Other Music explained: "The writer for Spin makes more
money, but the Pitchfork dude has way more power. If you look at the
media and the blogs, it's the music version of that."

Nothing illustrates the point better than two recent records: Funeral,
by the new Canadian band the Arcade Fire, and Travistan, by indie
darling Travis Morrison. About two months ago, Pitchfork reviewed
Funeral and gave it a rave. Writer David Moore emoted, with the
personal intensity and creative hyperbole that's a hallmark of PF
scribes: "Their search for salvation in the midst of real chaos is
ours; their eventual catharsis is part of our continual
enlightenment." Funeral earned the high mark of 9.7 on the site's
numerical rating system, where 10.0 is the top and 0.0 the bottom.
Almost immediately, it became impossible to find Funeral in a New York
City record store.

"Without Pitchfork, I can't imagine that all the hype around the
Arcade Fire would have happened," says Mr. Hougland. "It's totally
Pitchfork; it's not even worth speculating about. It's possible that
they would have gotten that popular, but it would have taken a lot
longer." Merge Records, the North Carolina–based indie label that put
out Funeral, sold out their initial printing of the record and now
have pressed an additional 60,000 to fill demand. Tickets for the
band's November show at the Bowery Ballroom sold out weeks before the
event, a rare occurrence for a group with one hard-to-find record on
its first headlining tour.

On the flip side is the dreaded 0.0, most recently awarded to Travis
Morrison's Travistan. Mr. Morrison had formerly found favor with
Pitchfork as frontman of the D.C. art-rock quartet the Dismemberment
Plan; in 1999, the D-Plan's Emergency and I was voted Pitchfork's No.
1 record of the year. The review of Travistan was so spiteful, it was
almost as if Mr. Morrison had been trashed simply for going solo.
Chris Dahlen wrote: "I've never heard a record more angry, frustrated,
and even defensive about its own weaknesses, or more determined to
slug those flaws right down your throat." In the wake of the piece, a
skepticism about Travistan took hold, with some college-radio
programmers—who normally would have been pushing a much-anticipated
solo record from someone like Mr. Morrison—making excuses for why it
wasn't in heavy rotation. At least one record-store owner initially
declined to stock the record (he later changed his mind). Other
critics followed Pitchfork's suit; a number of pieces about the record
discussed the 0.0 before even engaging with it.

Josh Rosenfeld of Seattle-based Barsuk Records, which put out
Travistan, says that although the Pitchfork pan may have stalled
interest in the record, he doesn't think the damage will be permanent.
"But what is interesting is what the difference is between the
situation we're in now and the situation we would be in now if
Pitchfork had said, `9.8! Travis has pushed the boundaries again!' A
`boy, we love art in pop music!' type of review. We can only speculate
about things like that: would his record be enjoying the reception
that people are now giving to the Arcade Fire record?"

When asked about his magazine's ability to make or break a record, Mr.
Schreiber (officially Pitchfork's editor in chief and publisher) is a
bit tongue-tied. "It's unbelievably cool to have any kind of
influence," he says. "But I'm totally taken aback by it, and I'm torn
by it. You want to be careful, because you know that if you have a
really positive response, you are going to do this great thing for
bands. And it's the greatest thing in the world to see that band going
around playing for 50 people and the next night, because of a good
review, it's sold out." Mr. Schreiber paused. "But you have to keep it
honest," he continued. "And that's why we have any impact, because
people know that they're going to get a straight answer from us. We
would never trash a band that's putting out its first record, just to
kill it. Though, with something like the Travis Morrison record, I
know that I would give it the same ranking no matter what."

A 0.0? This reporter thinks that rating is grossly unfair (and, for
the record, is a big fan of Travistan). Mr. Schreiber feels otherwise.
"I think that a record can be so unlistenable and so terrible that it
deserves that rating," he said. "It's totally subjective. So is it
devoid of worth to me personally? Yes."

The Nice Guys?

"Obviously, I never foresaw that it would get quite this big," said
Mr. Schreiber, who waxes rhapsodic about record shopping the way only
a kid who came of age before the Internet could. "I was sort of
ambitious about it, but it's obviously gone so far beyond my
expectations that it's hard for me to believe that this is my job."

Mr. Schreiber had the foresight to start Pitchfork in the pre-dawn of
the Internet era. He was just 19 years old, living with his parents
outside the Twin Cities in Minnesota, collecting records like every
other kid with not much else to do. He didn't go to college, and
instead focused on Pitchfork while working various part-time jobs,
honing his tech skills and cranking out review after review of his
favorite bands. He moved the site to Chicago in 1999 and today has the
whiff of the ex-nerd about him—one who has grown into himself a little
later in life. His creamy, lightly freckled skin, glinting brown eyes
and quick, affable smile brand him immediately as a Midwesterner, and
his surprise at Pitchfork's good fortune is genuine and disarming.

"We never did any advertising or anything—it was all just word of
mouth," Mr. Schreiber explained, leaning back in his desk chair and
taking long swigs of Diet Dr. Pepper between remarks. His is a story
of a music fan with a good idea—one that any number of young wannabe
music/writer geeks could have conceived and pursued, if only they
hadn't been busy with college, keg parties, skateboarding competitions
or whatever else we were doing in the mid-90's.

When Mr. Schreiber started Pitchfork, all he really wanted to do was
tell other people about his favorite bands. "I wanted to meet bands—I
thought that would be really cool. So I thought it would be kind of
fun to start a magazine on the Web and write about my favorite bands
and get to meet them," he explains. "And once I heard about the
promos, I was like, `Oh my God, unbelievable! Unbelievable!'"

Mr. Schreiber is no longer just a kid enamored of free CD's.
Presently, Pitchfork's office consists of two cramped but tidy
cement-floored rooms in the basement of Mr. Schreiber's three-floor
flat at the edge of Wicker Park, where he lives with his wife,
Elizabeth, and two cats. Plastic mail bins of CD's are stacked
everywhere; Pitchfork receives about 300 CD's a week for
consideration. Mr. Schreiber leaves the door to his office open while
being interviewed, either because he is unself-conscious or very
nervous—it's impossible to tell which.

Although he supervises a geographically scattered staff of about 50
via instant-messaging, e-mail, an online message board and the
telephone, only the three guys on payroll (plus a few interns) work in
the actual office. In addition to Mr. Schreiber, there's managing
editor Scott Plagenhoef, 31, who comes off like the wise and patient
big brother; where Mr. Schreiber is quick to answer or throw out an
idea, Mr. Plagenhoef is pensive and sarcastic, shaking his head at his
corner computer in silent disagreement with words flying between
others. Chris Kaskie, 24, is Pitchfork's new advertising director, as
well as the threesome's resident cutie.

These guys aren't your typical indie kids—they are all well-groomed,
two of the three are married, and they don't smoke. When Mr. Schreiber
talks of his first trip to New York City this past October, it's with
the wonderment of an 8-year-old in F.A.O. Schwarz. (Nick Sylvester,
22, a regular Pitchfork writer who also interns at The Village Voice,
hung out with Mr. Schreiber on that visit. "Ryan spent a whole day in
Times Square, and he was so happy," Mr. Sylvester recalled, in a tone
that betrayed how bizarre that notion was.) That's the irony of the
Pitchfork enterprise: The site has a reputation as a haven for snotty,
brutish—and frequently solid and original—writing, but its creator is
a sweet, optimistic guy unprepared for and unnerved by his own success.

Growing Pains

While ever-increasing advertising revenue is clearly a boon to the
site, it has also created tensions among struggling freelancers and
added to Pitchfork's growing pains. To be sure, a sense of power is
the true payoff for any Pitchfork contributor. Says Mr. Sylvester:
"You know if you drop an 8.0 on a record, 1,000 people will buy it or
download it." For the last few years, writers brought on staff would
abide by a grueling schedule, filing twice a week for six months with
no pay at all; after that initiation, they would earn what is truly a
pittance—$10 or $20 for a review, and $40 for a feature. These days,
writers are promised pay as soon as they start writing for the site,
and slightly more money per piece. In the new year, with the redesign,
Mr. Schreiber is planning to pay writers "a more competitive rate,"
and hopes to woo back some of those who have left out of frustration
or for more lucrative ventures.

Writers complaining about low or lack of pay is nothing new, even for
critics working in print journalism. And just as it is at smaller
independent publications, it's the sense of toiling together, broke,
in the service of a project people believe in that keeps Pitchfork's
staff glued together. But tension over money reached a fever pitch
among Pitchforkers when the site's billing schedule—which charted paid
advertising revenue for the site—was swiped and posted last month on
hipinion.com, a message board frequented by Pitchfork detractors. It
became clear that Mr. Schreiber was bringing in far more money from
advertising than most, if not all, of the staff suspected. Rumors
about where the money was going—into Mr. Schreiber's pocket, or his
apartment—began to fly.

However, Mr. Schreiber's frugality in terms of writers' pay seems less
malicious than a case of bad management—one that he's trying to get a
handle on. There's great hope among staffers that managing editor
Plagenhoef, who has experience in the print media, will help
professionalize the whole operation and keep writers happier. He is
obviously widely respected—everyone this reporter talked to spoke
highly of him as a writer, editor and music fan—and Mr. Schreiber acts
as if he were sent from the heavens above.

Pitchfork's relaunch early next year will be a big moment for the
site, which appears to be at a crossroads: Will it risk its hipster
credibility and keep growing and growing? Will it topple on itself? Or
will it be snatched up by some conglomerate and morphed into yet
another extension of a multimedia venture?

At this point, Mr. Schreiber scoffs at the idea that he could be
bought out. "People come back to us again and again because they know
we're not corrupted," he said. "If someone offered us tons of money to
commercialize the site, it would change into the antithesis of the
reason I started it. This is something I am so in love with—this is my
entire adult life's work." He pauses, concluding with a statement that
he may have to re-evaluate if Pitchfork continues its rise: "There
aren't any circumstances under which I would give it up."

You may reach Hillary Frey via email at: hfrey@observer.com.

Sam Hunt (robosam), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't really think that an 8.0 sells 1,000 copies of anything.

Sam Hunt (robosam), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

what she left out was that i buy those 1000 albums

Nick Sylvester, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

more to the point: a 5.0 record sells 1000 fewer copies (and even worse, 25 fewer downloads!!)

Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

the kids behind Pitchforkmedia.com

Maybe it's just me getting older, but I'm getting tired of using the word "kids" to mean anyone into their late twenties. I mean, Spencer Owen isn't writing for PFM anymore.

with some band you've never heard of -- Animal Collective, the Books, Death from Above 1979

But rest assured I, the journalist, have heard of them and will name-drop accordingly! (Actually, this reminds me of an article I wrote for my high-school newspaper in 1995 on "lesser-known bands" that began something like "Tindersticks. Red Red Meat. Sound familiar? No?")

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Jesus a lot of ILMers like to schill for P-Fork in print.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

that was a good piece!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

? (xpost)

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

It was a fine piece (even if I found her tone to be a little obnoxious at times.) I'm just kinda surprised how many posters names I recognized.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

four?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Writer David Moore emoted

I now hunt and slay.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahaha yes, four (including one who was repeatedly quoted throughout the article.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I read a p-fork review I liked the other day! seriously! but I think it was by dominique leone and I just liked how to-the-point it was. but yeah, baby steps.

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

is dominique leone hot?

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Pitchfork does have an influence on what sells big at the local indie store. The kids come running for the BEST NEW MUSIC, as long as it fits within their standard indie spectrum (Arcade Fire yay, Annie boo).

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

How disappointing...I thought it was going to be an obituary for the site! Damn bloody damn damn!

Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i just wanna mention that mark richardson is criminally looked over when pitchfork is discussed. dude is a great writer and he knows his shit. i've had the priviledge to work with him a lot lately, and he needs more love! plus he's crazy hot!!!!!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

But all of the ILM people mentioned in the article also write for Pitchfork. So I'm not surprised they're "shilling for Pitchfork in print."

YANC3Y OTM ABOUT MARK R. (For a long time, he was my favorite PFM writer. He's still great, but now he's got some competition. ;-))

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait - was Alex being pithy w/ that "OMG ILMers pimping PFork shocka!" comment, or was he actually serious?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I really don't think writers should ever be called "scribes" unless they're sitting in the desert writing the New Testament.

Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"Tindersticks. Red Red Meat. Sound familiar? No?"

ha ha! only needs a couple more question marks and an exclamation mark or two.

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

a number of pieces about the record
discussed the 0.0 before even engaging with it.

THIS close to getting referenced! Dagnabbit.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"Wait - was Alex being pithy w/ that "OMG ILMers pimping PFork shocka!" comment, or was he actually serious?"

Alex was joking about the pimping, but unless Alex is mistaken DanH and JonG both post here and neither write for PFork. But it was more me just reading an article (that happened to be about PFork) and being surprised at how many names I recognized from day-to-day interaction on this board.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I really don't think writers should ever be called "scribes" unless they're sitting in the desert writing the New Testament.

"And on the 73rd day, the children of Israel heard The Unicorns, and lo, it was proclaimed that they were alright if you like that sort of thing."

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

unless Alex is mistaken DanH and JonG both post here and neither write for PFork

You may be right; I don't recognize the names.

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Other Music's new release mailing is what sells me records. I paid like 28 bucks for the Bill Fay CD!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

His creamy, lightly freckled skin, glinting brown eyes
and quick, affable smile

Ew, was this really necessary? It reads like bad fan fic. And Pitchfork fanfic is a scary proposition indeed.

RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

HIPINION REPRUZENT!

Patrick South (Patrick South), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

But . . . . I liked the way the perma-staff got rated on a cute-o-meter. But should we trust Hillary's taste in cuteness? I mean, what's her type of guy? Still, those freckles sound dreamy.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

They didn't mention that Ryan talks like a 12 year old valley girl, which I think is really key to understanding his character.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahaha evil.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Despite its far-flung location

she makes it sound as if Ryan dispatches Pitchfork by polar bear courier from Nome, Alaska

raj, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Pitchfork does have an influence on what sells big at the local indie store. The kids come running for the BEST NEW MUSIC, as long as it fits within their standard indie spectrum (Arcade Fire yay, Annie boo).

I've run into this, too. PFM has some really good reviews, and some that I just can't relate to at all. Which is fine, until I run into people at the record store who just echo those opinions. It's just what happens when people get all of their info from one source, but since pitchfork seems to be that source right now, they're a pretty easy target.

I think I'm somehow missing the hidden "novelty" tag on some of their reviews. I think the criteria is if it's pop, rap, or a band that pitchfork writers used to like a decade ago, then it's actually a novelty review. There's some sort of hidden signals to the readership on this.

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

That first paragraph was a quote from miccio, the italics got eaten somewhere on preview.

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the criteria is if it's pop, rap, or a band that pitchfork writers used to like a decade ago, then it's actually a novelty review.

Before a year or two ago, I'd have agreed with you on this point. But the TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGIN'. Did you read the Annimal review?

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

the amount of power PF has now frankly frightens me.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

It doesn't frighten me any more than the power SPIN had in the early 90s (which was a lot then.) I'm just waiting for the PFork AIDS Myth articles.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the criteria is if it's pop, rap, or a band that pitchfork writers used to like a decade ago, then it's actually a novelty review. There's some sort of hidden signals to the readership on this.

oh come on.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I am interested to hear what Dan H thought of his quotes in this article.

Magic City (ano ano), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

And I miss Mark Richard-san

Magic City (ano ano), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

He just wrote a review today?!?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

No, that was Mark Richardson

Magic City (ano ano), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha I didn't realize they weren't the same person.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

They are, I was just joking.
I mean I miss his pen name.

Magic City (ano ano), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Ryan's been replaced by a new Ryan: the Ryan I knew didn't live near Wicker Park, and didn't look like the picture I saw recently. It's like he's been redesigned!

That was probably the most in-and-of-itself readable article about Pitchfork that I've seen: stuff like the Times Square thing, these are nice touches.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Ryan's been replaced by a new Ryan

he has lost a lot of weight - I think he's given some of it to me...

scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG, you mean some other place besides new york city can dictate the way the wind blows in rock music?!?!

asshattery aside, i enjoyed reading that piece. thanks sam!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Ryan's been replaced by a new Ryan

I have to admit, I was taken aback when I saw him in NYC last month -- I'd only met him once before, three years ago, but he seemed much leaner (even taller??) this time around.

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I always wondered about the Richardson/Richard-san business -- why he chose the pen name, then dropped it, etc.

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The site is read, debated, demonized and lionized by dutiful hipsters from East Fourth Street to Bedford Avenue

Ha ha ha, most of that space is taken up by the murky brown water of the East River! I hope those dutiful hipsters can swim as well as demonize / lionize! (By the way, notice how 'demonize / lionize' is a coded reference to Dominique Leone?)

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually meant that mean, tired and lazy cliched criticisms could be leveled at any city. I personally like Chicago very much.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah yeah, I know -- I'm just finding it funny that I can't even think of what the mean stereotypes or criticisms of Chicago would be! Maybe that's the only criticism: boring / lack of personality to even make fun of?

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

pitchforkmedia is OK, but i prefer fisting my grandmother. much more informative.

rectal jones, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Another corny indie review of a (likely non-single) track from the forthcoming M83. Death again to Pitchfork.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Just for you, Spencer, my next review back for them is going to say wonderful things about LA.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, actually if I read good things about L.A. in Pitchfork, then I'd move.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

If William Bowers wrote a review about how cool you are, would you have to kill yourself?

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Pitchfork has great taste but their reviews are way too long. That's were a site like MusicEmissions.com (http://www.musicemissions.com) is better. They are analytical and yet get their point across in under 400 words. I know I am biased here and I do check out Pitchfork on a daily basis but I really can't remember the last time I read an entire review. I don't have the time.

Dennis Scanland, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, Nitsuh, thanks for the shout-out.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

but I really can't remember the last time I read an entire review. I don't have the time.

Yeah, who has time to read these days? In fact, I think Pitchfork would be even better if they just dispensed with the review altogether and just slapped on the score and were done with it.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

If William Bowers wrote a review about how cool you are, would you have to kill yourself?

I would definitely have to seek help if I read "Spencer Chow is the next Radiohead" in Pitchfork.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"Spencer Chow is the next Ned Raggett"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the fact that pitchfork runs long reviews. quite a lot of them are obviously padded out, and demand better editing, but that's the fault of the writers, not the format, which offers the potential, sometimes met, for interesting writing.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, who has time to read these days? In fact, I think Pitchfork would be even better if they just dispensed with the review altogether and just slapped on the score and were done with it.

haha, lol...

I generally like Pitchfork, but two things in particular increasingly annoy me:
a) the ratings system - come on, those decimals are just plain silly
b) their propensity for slating albums only for the lyrics; this isn't a book club, is it? The already (in)famous Travis Morrison review did not devote a single syllable to the music - can lyrics alone be so crap as to warrant a 0.0 rating? I think not.

Robbert (Robbert), Thursday, 2 December 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Just for you, Spencer, my next review back for them is going to say wonderful things about LA.

Nabisco, I'm guessing you mean the one AFTER this Slowdive thing?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 December 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Or is the review actually an acrostic?!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 December 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link

The next one! Which will be about a band with only one very minor collection to L.A., so look out.

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 2 December 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

It's hard to believe that a kid growing up in New York needs music to save him/her

Believe it. It happened to me!

(/dramatic)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 2 December 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link

the ratings system - come on, those decimals are just plain silly

The decimal points are the best part of the rating system. Single digits are for wimps. There's a major difference between, say, a 7.4 and a 7.6. Everything between 1.0 and 3.5 is kind of a blur though.

The already (in)famous Travis Morrison review did not devote a single syllable to the music

Not true.

savetherobot, Friday, 3 December 2004 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

single digits are for Stylus, not wimps.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Friday, 3 December 2004 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
PFM built my entire music library. I buy what they recommend because they not only get it right most of the time, they get it right with all the geekery my dark soul can take...

ubaka, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link

have you seen my blog? i think you'd like it.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

if you were a real geek, you wouldn't need a website to tell you what to listen to, you lazy fuck.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:03 (eighteen years ago) link

if you were a real geek, you wouldn't need a website to tell you what to listen to, you lazy fuck.

geek!= punk

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

you misunderstand. please read this:

people who ONLY use pitchfork to learn of new music

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

so this is the roomate of whom you spoke?

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

no, i don't know who this loser is.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

cutty otm

gear (gear), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

MUSIC FOUND AFTER EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATION SOUNDS BETTER

RECOMMENDATIONS BY OTHERS MAKE MUSIC SOUND WORSE

HOW EDGY? SO EDGY, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link

LAZY MUSIC COLLECTOR BLINDLY ACCEPTS MUSIC SUGGESTIONS BASED ON NUMERICAL SCALE

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank you, cutty, for showing us who the real geek is.

nancyboy (nancyboy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

fuck off scott, why did you start posting here again?

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

New thread suggestion:

Pitchfork Bashers: Classic or Dud?

nancyboy (nancyboy), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i hate pitchfork bashers too.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 03:25 (eighteen years ago) link

MUSIC APPRECIATION IS HARD WORK

RESEARCH IS THE KEY

YOU WILL REACH OTHER, MORE ACCEPTABLE CONCLUSIONS

TRUST ME: I'VE DONE MY HOMEWORK

SO-CALLED MUSIC JOURNALISM, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 05:13 (eighteen years ago) link

pfm is good but blind faith is dud

gear (gear), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 05:15 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.nrk.no/img/466283.jpeg

login name (fandango), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 05:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Pitchfork's relaunch early next year

Was this the much-trumpeted redesign that barely changed anything except to make it UNUSABLE on dial-up?

My only beef with Pitchfork really is how the Pitchforkiness seems to run so deep through the site, that with some reviews it turns a lot of (potentially) good writing bad-to-unreadable.

Most of the individual staffers and correspondents are okay-to-great, some even recognise the Pitchforkiness and manage to negotiate it well, whilst implicitly acknowledging it's stupidity.

I can pretty much deal with it's taste bias, annoying as it can sometimes be. Most sites have one.

login name (fandango), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I try to work the word "creamy" at least once into all my stories.

Mofrackie, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

thank you cutty BECAUSE YOU WILL DIE ONE DAY AND I WILL BE HAPPY ABOUT IT

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah and here is the internet law

pitchfork: annie and RADIOHEAD
stylus: girls aloud and ELO

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 12:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Whoa - Brent D's investigation-of-Devendra-Banhart-and-stuff (with much talk of pedophilia) totally vanished from the site today. Huh.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"investigation"

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Or, um, it just got moved down one slot, Sean?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

well, maybe. try clicking on it.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I get it just fine. Maybe you need to refine yr clicking technique.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

it was gone for a second, but that seems like an archival error. xpost

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

haha! okay! the paranoiac in me was doubletaking.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

my bad: wrong link was there, fixed now.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Scenesters think modern lovers is slang for that Yeah Yeah Yeahs' "Modern Romance" song

scenester, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link


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