The Turtles Thread (Cuz I Couldn't Find One) A.K.A. I Finally Heard Turtle Soup.

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Wow, what a great album. How come you Kinks fans out there didn't tell me that I couldn't live without this?! It's Kinktastic! Doomie, you must love Turtle Soup. Who knew Beechwood Sparks were just ripping off this one album?! They didn't even need to own a Byrds album. Anyway, I found a perfectly perfect copy at the thrift store today for a dollar and i'm really digging it. (also got an early 70's Family album that it pretty cool and a copy of the first Damnation Of Adam Blessing which I already own, but it's nice to have a spare cuz I play it so much. One of my fave hard rock albums. as is the second adam blessing album.) Has anyone ever covered "Hot Little Hands"? What a great song! Those guitars are heavenly. I didn't want it to end. Anyway, Turtles talk here. I know there are big Battle Of The Bands fans on ILM. As there should be. "Buzzsaw" forever! (classic, dud, search, destroy, etc, etc.Any post-Turtles worthiness? There's something I don't know.)

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 4 November 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I love the Turtles...but I can't think of anything to say about them beyond that - I'm oddly exhausted.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 4 November 2004 00:27 (nineteen years ago) link

battle of the bands fan *raises hand*

JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 4 November 2004 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Last nite was a long one, Kevin. i fell asleep on the couch and peter jennings was doing unspeakable things with tavis smiley in my dreams. then i woke up at 3 a.m. and the nightmares wouldn't go away.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 4 November 2004 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I need another copy of Battle Of The Bands. I gave mine to my brother. I need another copy of We're Only In It For The Money too. I did just get a nice copy of It Crawled Into My Hand, Honest a couple weeks ago. That's a wonderful album as well.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 4 November 2004 00:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"You Know What I Mean" is one of the greatest singles of the '60s/ever.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 4 November 2004 06:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"You Know What I Mean" is one of the greatest singles of the '60s/ever.

Absolutely, along with You Baby ... and, come to think of it, half the tracks on any Best Of...

I'd recommend Strawberry Alarm Clock if you haven't got any.

Jez (Jez), Thursday, 4 November 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Any other Turtle Soup fans? Anyone? Is it really the only album that Ray Davies ever produced for another band? I'm gonna go listen to it again. Get it, if you have never heard it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 4 November 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Never heard the whole album but I've liked everything I've heard from it. The Turtles were a great band. Didn't Ray Davies have a lot to do with Tom Robinson's early career? Plus owning his own studio (just up the road from where I used to live!) suggests he might have produced a few bands.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 4 November 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I have the album, but have only played it once, in favour of the Greatest Hits. I'll revisit asap!

Jez (Jez), Thursday, 4 November 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i got a turtles song on a sampler - 'all back to mine' ... it was really good. what are the details - label, etc that you speak of scott? must investigate.

doomie x, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i got a turtles song on a sampler - 'all back to mine' ... it was really good. what are the details - label, etc that you speak of scott? must investigate.

the song i've got is 'buzzsaw' - its really good. i'm going to have to get some turtles albums on my weekly record/charity shop trawl. buzzsaw sort of has this northern soul organ thing happening ... and then they shout BUZZSAW and its back to the grinding groove. and he goes 'down ditty down ditty down' ... like falling through a ketamine hole with loads of screaming. then a crazy dj pops in.

tell me scott - which one?

doomie x, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahaha ... i failed reading comprenhension. its either that or the industrial strength hashish i'm smoking. 'turtle soup' - will look for that.

doomie x, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

worst post ever by me.

i'm just going into the living room room now to lay on the floor and listen to aprhrodites child.

doomie x, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

hey i just got another top ten from cherrystones. scott, did you check his mix at www.poptones.co.uk/webcast.htm?

Cherrystones Top Ten November 2004

1.Jello Biafra with the Melvins-Never breathe what you cant' see(Alternative Tentacles) lp 2004

2.Circle-Empire(Riot Season) live lp 2004

3.Josephine Foster and the supposed-All the leaves are gone(Locust) lp 2004

4.Faust-So far(Polydor) lp 1972

5.Pink Floyd-The piper at the gates of dawn(Columbia) lp 1967

6.Can-Shikako maru ten(B-side to spoon 7")(United artists)

7.Bert Jansch-O' my father(Reprise) 7" 1972

8.Picchio Dal Pozzo-S/T (Grog) Italian lp

9.Joanna Newsome-The milk eyed mender(Drag City) lp 2004

10.Betty Davis-S/T(Just Sunshine) lp 1973

doomie x, Friday, 5 November 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a DVD from around 1990 of these guys--a history--that's just fantastic. It ends with Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan constructing a flow chart that details exactly how bands get ripped off by the industry. It's really brilliant.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 6 November 2004 06:18 (nineteen years ago) link

> Is it really the only album that Ray Davies ever produced for another band?


I've heard this many times and believe it to be true.

And "Love in the City" is a magna-magna-magNIficent song. Would that anyone could have known what to do with that and "Goodbye Surprise."

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Sunday, 7 November 2004 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
this thread should be longer and have more Turtles-love on it.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 7 April 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Ok, let's give props to "You Baby"'s irrepressible optimism and the Zombie-esque "Just a Room". Kaylan's easily the most underrated pop singer of his era.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 7 April 2005 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Battle of the Bands is such a fun record. I should listen to it today.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I love every song I've heard by The Turtles, but the thing is that every song I know by them, I've known since childhood. So I'm considering this thread my invitation to check out one of their albums. I'm thinking about Battle Of The Bands now, based on this thread. I just looked it up on Allmusic and I'm shocked to learn that Howard Kaylan wrote "Eleanor" with the intention of submitting the dumbest pop song ever to their record company, so that the company would allow them to expand their sound and record a total Sgt Pepper-esq freakout.

billstevejim, Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

The funny thing is this thread was started around the time I first started reading ILM regularly. On my next record shopping trip after reading the thread I picked up a copy for $3 and have been loving it ever since. Thanks Scott!

What I find really interesting about the album is that all of the songs build to a very strong and catchy climax. I wonder if that was the Davies influence? It's like he made sure that even the weaker songs that start off with a pretty forgettable verse build to an amazing harmony bit at the end. The other thing that's really interesting in regard to the original vinyl is that the sequencing is so perfect. The first song gets you hooked, the last song on side one (In the City?) has such a powerful ending that you're forced to flip the disc over and then side 2 has equally strong bookends.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

this has been around for a while, but:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JHN5HaUg28

latebloomer, Thursday, 27 September 2007 08:32 (sixteen years ago) link

five years pass...

May as well restart this thread to say how much I love this album too. It's like a dictionary of late 60s LA pop styles, I always felt "Somewhere Friday night" has a similar atmosphere to "Riders on the storm" (without the sound effects, and a year earlier too), and the intro to "Love in the city" was a pisstake at the chord sequence of Love's "Laughing stock". But maybe I'm reading too much into it all. "Love in the city" - what a fantastic coda. i remember reading that Ray Davies used all his orchestrating ideas for this album because Pye never gave him the money to do it on Kinks LPs.

Rob M Revisited, Saturday, 16 February 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

just bought the rhino 80s repress of this album. It is quite kinks-y. they even seem to try to sing like ray. the liner notes say that it has been remastered to ray's original vision (track sequence is different too). do people prefer the original?

mizzell, Sunday, 20 April 2014 23:25 (ten years ago) link

I know nothing of the 80's repress, but I have to say, as a big Kinks fan, I was kind of underwhelmed by this album when I first heard it a few years ago. Still have it, but haven't played it in at least a year. It wasn't that I disliked it. . . it was just kind of meh.

austinato (Austin), Monday, 21 April 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link

you crazy. go turn up "hot little hands" again and report back.

scott seward, Monday, 21 April 2014 00:56 (ten years ago) link

I have the original White Whale best-of, the one with the blue cover. Had a chance to buy the second volume (with "Elenore") as a remainder once, stupidly passed it up. ("What do I need Volume 2 for? And if I ever decide I do want it, no problem, records will be here forever!")

clemenza, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link

I would buy any Turtles record I saw in a store

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srj6ISzfw1c

listening to The Battle of the Bands. cool stuff. the Turtles always seemed like a secretly smart band everyone thinks is a one hit wonder.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 March 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ9VHRDZn8k

"Grim Reaper of Love" (from 3 years earlier in 1966) slays, it's basically a Mercyful Fate song.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 March 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSnPWkEHyIs

this song rules. strong Zombies-via-Odyssey vibe. that Edwardian Merseybeat stylee.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 March 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link

"Food" must be the song that made Zappa decide to draft them into the Mothers

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 March 2016 21:09 (eight years ago) link

"Can You Hear the Cows" some proto shoegaze reminds me of "Here Come the Warm Jets"

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 March 2016 21:33 (eight years ago) link


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