Patti Smith vs Patti Smyth

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only the goddam young

dave q, Monday, 1 November 2004 02:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

bang bang

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 1 November 2004 02:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

go rimbaud vs. go mcenroe

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 1 November 2004 02:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

kathie lee gifford got them confused when michael stipe was promoting his photo book. good.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 1 November 2004 02:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm going with Smyth for the following reasons:

1. She was briefly married to Richard Hell (but, apparently he used to beat her).
2. She's not Patti Smith.
3. She was apparently approached before Sammy Hagar to become the vocalist for Van Halen (cannot verify this, however).
4. She's not Patti Smith
5. Patti Smith sucks.
6. Smythe is kinda cute.
7. She's not Patti Smith
8. Patti Smith is a pretentious, overrated, undertalented, ugly harpee.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 November 2004 02:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

3. She was apparently approached before Sammy Hagar to become the vocalist for Van Halen (cannot verify this, however).
Oh, that would have been SOOOOO cool. If this story is true, I pick Smyth just for that.

FOX appropriately and effectively used "The Warrior" during a recent baseball broadcast, whereas no Patti Smith songs have ever been used in a sporting context. This is another reason to side with Smyth.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 1 November 2004 03:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

patti smith

1. she's patti _fucking_ smith
2. smythe has performed with don henley
3. smith kicks ass
4. DON FUCKING HENLEY

chris andrews (fraew), Monday, 1 November 2004 03:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

Patti Smyth

1. I can't fucking stand that Horses shite.
2. "The Warrior"

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 1 November 2004 03:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

i don't care

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 1 November 2004 08:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

you should.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 1 November 2004 08:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

fuck you, asshole.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 1 November 2004 08:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

no, fuck YOU.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 1 November 2004 08:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

wu-tang is for the children.

ODB (latebloomer), Monday, 1 November 2004 08:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

Latebloomer pulled a nice Gemini twin maneuver!

I guess this means I'll have to pull out the vacuum cleaner.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 1 November 2004 09:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

I side with Smyth, but with some reservations.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 1 November 2004 09:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

I have never heard Smyth. I have long held the view that P.Smith is utterly worthless though.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 1 November 2004 09:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dr. C have you heard of a band called The Very Things?

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 1 November 2004 09:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

You bet. In fact I saw them a couple of times way back - Let's Go Out and Motortown were splendid singles.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 1 November 2004 10:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

eh- even with the accusations of being pretentious & artsy, the Patti Smith Group occasionally rocked out pretty hard .. plus they had John Cale behind them. On the other hand, Scandal - I have trouble distinguishing between Scandal and Quarterflash - Patti Smyth may have been a little more Pat Benetar (that is, strong voice) but she's still pretty disposable.. And if we're comparing vocal stylings/ability/technique, etc .. I'll take Chryssie Hynde over Pat Benetar any day (which would have been a better thread, as this one just serves to bash Patti Smith and defend Patty Smyth who really needs not be remembered.)

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 1 November 2004 12:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ultimately in the Smythe vs. Smith battle, it's basically the same as the Kerry vs. Bush battle. It ain't that Smythe (Kerry) is so great, it's that Bush (Smith) is really bad fuckin' news.

That's right, I just compared Patti Smith to George W. Bush. I expect to be flayed alive by an angry mob later today.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 November 2004 13:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

They might just look at you bemusedly

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 1 November 2004 13:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Well, the analogy is spot on with my last sentence, so I'll let it slide.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 1 November 2004 13:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

"transformification of waste"

dave q, Monday, 1 November 2004 15:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Goodbye To You" >>>>>>>>> EVERYTHING SMITH EVER DID

Phil Dennison (Phil D.), Monday, 1 November 2004 17:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

to all you who choose the people's rocker smyth over the artsy fartsy poetry-spewing smith, how do you reconcile your beliefs with the fact that smith spelled her name correctly while smyth spelled it the politically correct hippie womyn way? how does that figure into your arguments?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 1 November 2004 18:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

politically correct hippie womyn way?

Patti Smith records a song called "Dancing Barefoot" and you're calling SMYTHE the hippie?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm guessing Patti "Scandal" Smythe decided to spell her name that way to avoid confusion with Patti "Horses" Smith. Just a hunch.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

Smyth = Married to Richard Hell
Smith = Married to Fred "Sonic" Smith

PATTI SMITH WINS!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Smith = Married to Fred "Sonic" Smith

This is true, but since Sonic's death, she's shacked up with her significantly younger guitar player, Oliver Ray. This makes me sound prudish (and what's she supposed to do, never date anyone again?) but I don't like her, so i'll use it against her.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

Fun fact with another weird McInroe six-degrees: Oliver Ray dated Tatum O'Neil before he dated Patti Smith. I worked with him one summer, and was there when was introduced to Smith. He was a weasel was a pro at manipulating older women with his looks.

Any Smyth but only because she's not Smith. The emperor wears no clothes. She's a death-harpee.

shookout (shookout), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

significantly younger!!! Well, my mind's certainly made up!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 1 November 2004 19:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

Mine too Smith it is

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

Case for Smyth: The video for "The Warrior" gave me more laughs than I've ever had watching any music video possibly ever

Case for Smith: "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine" = best first line of a debut album ever, also she sang backup for MOTHERFUCKING BLUE OYSTER CULT. You can't front on that. No. Don't try.

MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 07:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

people, i think your missing my point. smythe has performed quite regularly with don IM IN THAT GOD AWFUL BAND THATS SOLD 50 BAZILLION ALBUMS henley.

chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 07:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

And Blue Oyster Cult >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Eagles

MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 08:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

Heart Of The Matter OWNZ J00 Nate Patrin, you need to hang up your walking stick kidxor.

Don Henley also has good hair, so you haters can sit and spin.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 08:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

TS: Heart Of The Matter by Don Henley, VS Mandolin Rain by Bruce Hornsby VS The Living Years by Mike And The Mechanics.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 08:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

MC Transmaniacon is correct

chris andrews (fraew), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

Personally speaking, I'd rather shove an angry Morey Eel in my pants that listen to Patti Smythe,.....BUT SHE'S STILL LESS OF AN UNSPEAKABLE IRRITANT THAT PATTI SMITH!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm on her mailing list. She seems nice.

MC Transmaniacon (natepatrin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

TS: Shoving An Angry Moray Eel In Your Pants vs. Listening To Patti Smythe

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

I find the level of Patti Smith hatred on this thread is pretty depressing, but I find the writing of this bio even more depressing:

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/0/2557421874cb55b048256dce002d6caf?OpenDocument&Click=

The word "tragic" appears four times in a Smyth bio, which...I just can't help but find funny. The bio almost makes her seem like a bad-ass. Too bad the music is so fuckin' bland.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

bang bang

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

Patti Smith. Radio Ethiopia is an awesome record.

Clusterfuck at the Baja Fresh Salsa Bar (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

Send Patty Smyth polyphonic ringtone to your cell phone

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

bang bang

velko, Saturday, 2 August 2008 07:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

Jeez Alex, what did Patti Smith do? Piss in your pool..

leavethecapital, Saturday, 2 August 2008 14:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

I am reading Please Kill Me and every time Patti Smith comes up I skip to the next chapter. Everything about her makes my skin crawl.

Display Name, Saturday, 2 August 2008 15:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

This thread is shocking in its almost complete inattention to "Goodbye To You" which crushes "The Warrior," not to mention all the Patti Smith I've ever heard. It's hard to understand why this wasn't among the biggest pop songs of the era.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 3 August 2008 02:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

A very rare instance in which each singer can sing the other's songs without a problem. I can hear Smyth performing a more than credible version of "Dancing Barefoot" or "Rock and Roll Nigger," and Smith doing "The Warrior" or "Sometimes Love Ain't Enough."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 3 August 2008 02:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

that bio of patty smyth upthread is pretty, um, o_0

Eisbaer, Sunday, 3 August 2008 02:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

What do I remember about Patti Smith from Please Kill Me? She has really big boobs. Seriously, given all the retartedness, douchbaggery,and drug induced fun described in Please Kill Me, Patti doesn't come off that badly. Her biggest sins were being manipulative and ambitious. Tell me one artist who isn't a little bit like that.

leavethecapital, Sunday, 3 August 2008 02:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

also, a teenaged me used to fantasize about patti smyth and laura branigan lezzing it up a la ms. branigan's "self-control" video ... alas that such a thing never occurred ;_;

i've never once had an erotic thought about patti smith ... ugh.

Eisbaer, Sunday, 3 August 2008 02:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i've never understood the appeal of legs mcneil -- he ALWAYS came off like a first-class douchebag who badly needed someone to put a doc marten-clad foot in his ass.

Eisbaer, Sunday, 3 August 2008 02:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

Patti Scialfa

gabbneb, Sunday, 3 August 2008 03:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

I can see why people don't like Patti Smith, pretentious and humorless, but the first couple of records are so good I mange to overlook those faults.

Eisbaer, Patti beckons you with her bedroom eyes...

leavethecapital, Sunday, 3 August 2008 03:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

I just saw Patti Smyth a couple of hours ago in a local park. She was good! She walked through the crowd, such as it was, and sat in people's beach chairs. "You're giving me a beer? Wow, thanks! Bud Light?!?"

She didn't cover any Patti Smith songs, but she did play "River Deep Mountain High" as her encore.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 3 August 2008 04:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

What do I remember about Patti Smith from Please Kill Me? She has really big boobs. Seriously, given all the retartedness, douchbaggery,and drug induced fun described in Please Kill Me, Patti doesn't come off that badly. Her biggest sins were being manipulative and ambitious. Tell me one artist who isn't a little bit like that.

I can't deal with poetry. I find any involved in it revolting. I think of her as one of those annoying coffee house people who made it.

As far as the book goes, it was four bucks at a used book store. It's not as good as England's Dreaming or Wreckers of Civilization but not much else is.

Display Name, Sunday, 3 August 2008 14:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Patti Smith hasn't aged particularly well, has she?...

stephen, Sunday, 3 August 2008 19:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

is "Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough" (#2 for six weeks in fall '92) one of the last times in the grunge era that two Old People scored a huge hit on the pop charts?

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 01:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

i can not think of any non-bryan adams examples

balls, Monday, 29 October 2012 01:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

good call on "I Finally Found Someone." I was going to mention "Change The World" in my original post.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 01:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

i wasn't sure that adams-streisand was actually that big a hit (it didn't get alot of play on armed forces radio if you can imagine) but it apparently made it to #8. trying to think of the last genuine (ie non-itunes blip, minimum 3 weeks let's say) top ten hit by a 40+ act. i'm guessing 'don't tell me' by madonna (can't remember if 'hung up' was actually a real hit or itunes blip).

balls, Monday, 29 October 2012 01:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Hung Up" briefly hit the top ten, yeah.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 01:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Hey, Soul Sister" and any recent Jay-Z hit?

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 01:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol I should have said "boomers" aka the Steve Winwood group

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 02:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

thought to check on mary j's age, somehow jay-z slipped my mind. train dude was 40 when 'hey soul sister'. interesting story c/o wikipedia:
“ I said, 'I want to write an INXS-y song. So, they started playing kind of an INXS-y song, and I wrote the song 'Hey, Soul Sister' to it and the melodies and started to sing it. And I said, 'Man, this just doesn't sound great to me.' ”
—Pat Monahan, on wanting to write an INXS-y song.
“ One of the guys, Espen, who's like a huge star in Norway, picked up a ukulele, and said, 'Hey, how about this?' I said, 'Are you (kidding) me?' And it made the difference. It made my words dance. It made sense. These words were meant to dance with ukulele and not guitar. ”

balls, Monday, 29 October 2012 02:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

“ I said, 'I want to write an INXS-y song.
—Pat Monahan, on wanting to write an INXS-y song.

classic Carver-esque exchange

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 02:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah Espen is one of the guys who co-wrote a lot of those Stargate hits with strummy guitar riffs like "Irreplaceable" and "With You". funniest thing about "Hey, Soul Sister" is still the lyrics inspired by Burning Man, though.

Weird Al may actually be the oldest person besides Madonna in the top 10 in recent memory, was 47 when "White & Nerdy" peaked

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 02:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think "believe" is the last big boomer hit, unless something like "my father's eyes" or whatever charted much higher than i remember. i think whatever madonna is her last real big hit (which i heard 'hung up' everywhere and i like 'hung up' so fuck it i'm gonna say it's 'hung up', plus unlike subsequent itunes blips it didn't resort to desperate younger guest stars) is the last from that 'mtv generation', have the red hot chili peppers managed to sneak into the top ten anytime recently or has rock radio been that dead for that long? kinda blowing my mind to think of train as these longtime vets that have roughly been visible for as long as the stones were circa emotional rescue.

balls, Monday, 29 October 2012 02:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

"4 Seconds" was much bigger on US radio and charts than "Hung Up," alas.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 02:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

can't believe i forgot weird al! plus 'white & nerdy' is genuinely one of his biggest hits, and tbh if you gave me odds on most likely to score another top ten hit and it was weird al vs the field (and the field is 'anyone else who had a video introduced by alan hunter') i'd take weird al in a heartbeat.

balls, Monday, 29 October 2012 02:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

I suppose it was some kind of envoi to have "Sometimes Love..." and "How Do You Talk to an Angel" be the early nineties Heart and Starship proxies.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 02:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

man I always forget "This Used To Be My Playground" hit #1.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 02:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah it wasn't until some of the younger 'people' started doing '4 seconds' at karaoke that i accepted that maybe it was kinda a hit and not just this thing that access hollywood showed ten second clips of for a few days and madonna fans managed to buy onto the top ten for a week. is that the last timberlake appearance in the top ten also?

balls, Monday, 29 October 2012 02:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, he had the appearance on T.I.'s hit the same year.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 02:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

and I think the Ciara collab grazed the top ten.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 02:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

o right. i think the last time i regularly listened to commercial music radio the republicans held the senate.

balls, Monday, 29 October 2012 02:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

was that when "Separate Lives" hit #1 or

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 02:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

hahaha. you have no right!

balls, Monday, 29 October 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh hey, J.Lo had maybe the biggest song of her career at 42 last year

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 03:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess Santana was the last real baby boomer w/ serious hits though

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 03:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't think its possible to overstate the degree to which the Britney/Backstreet Boys/Eminem era fundamentally changed the dynamics of the pop charts. No other era in pop displayed such a schizm between what is typically thought of as "kid's music" and what is "adult's music," the former all but obliterating the latter as a presence. The blockbuster albums of any previous era (think Thriller, of course, but also the Bodyguard soundtrack and whatever that one Shania Twain album was) had a definite across-the-board appeal that nevertheless skewed slightly more towards the adult side of things; even in the case of something like Jagged Little Pill, I remember quite a few adults buying it at the time (the Grammy wins undoubtedly helped here). These days, with the likely exception of Adele (and possibly, though I hesitate to say it, Maroon 5), it is pretty much unheard of to have something with such flexible appeal hit the pop charts hard. It is simply impossible to imagine how something like "Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough," or "Change The World" (was this really that big of a hit? I mean, I remember hearing it a lot around '96, but it never seemed to quite reach the same level of ubiquity as some of these others), or even "My Heart Will Go On" happening these days. Movie soundtrack ballads used to be a sure thing, but can anyone even name any of the ones from Avatar, or The Lord of the Rings movies?

Most of the big sellers of the last decade that seem to be purely adult appealing all seem to fall into specialty categories: Josh Groban, Susan Boyle, those horrible Rod Stewart Great American Songbook records, etc.

Room 227 (cryptosicko), Monday, 29 October 2012 04:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also, never knew that "This Used To Be My Playground" hit #1. Don't even remember it getting that much airplay at the time. My main memory of the song, in fact, was being at a grade school party and someone complaining when it came on the radio cause it was bumming everyone out. Credit Madonna's sheer unstoppability at the time, I guess, and the power of the 90s movie ballad!

Room 227 (cryptosicko), Monday, 29 October 2012 04:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

from a piece nabisco wrote last year: http://nymag.com/arts/popmusic/features/narcissism-2011-7/

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 12:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

around the same time i also wrote a thing about how "Someone Like You" was the first honest to god ballad #1 in years (6 since "We Belong Together" and i don't know how many w/ something with no thumping drum machine) and part of Adele's huge commercial triumph probably was that she was someone in her early 20s who could appeal to people who bought Susan Boyle records.

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 12:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha no wait it was Fergie who had the last ballad #1 before Adele: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2011/09/adele_someone_like_you_billboard_charts.php

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 12:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Change The World" was goddamn ubiquitous down here for most of '96: it and "Head Over Feet" and the "Friends" theme and Jann Arden's "Insensitive" were on loop.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 13:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

19th biggest Hot 100 hit of '96!

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

How 'bout Aerosmith, "I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing"?

Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Monday, 29 October 2012 13:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

well, "Jaded" was a top 10 hit even later than prob any boomer hit besides a couple of the Santana singles

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

but good call w/ Aerosmith in general

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've never even heard of "Jaded," but I wasn't paying much attention then. Just checked Blondie's "Maria" -- wasn't a huge chart hit in the U.S. but went to #1 in the U.K.

Sandy Denny Real Estate (jaymc), Monday, 29 October 2012 13:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Jaded" was definitely not as big as the Armageddon song but it was kinda the last gasp of Aerosmith as pop culture force, was all over the radio and they played it at the Super Bowl

some dude, Monday, 29 October 2012 13:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Insensitive" even made it outside of Canada?!

Room 227 (cryptosicko), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:46 (1 year ago) Permalink


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