What should become of John Peel's record collection now?

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"This is one of the greatest libraries ever. PS the books are all encased in glass."

eh -- "this is one of the greatest libraries ever but we haven't digitized all the books so the website is just a catalogue, what were you expecting" -- the curatorial issues don't really work the same way. i wonder what percentage of the 25,000 LPs + 40,000 singles is actually not available in digital form already somewhere.

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 09:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Among the first artists are Abba, ABC, AC/DC and Adam & The Ants.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-17894985

BBC getting a great handle on his role as champion of the obscure and unsung.

Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 09:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

huge copyright problems with just digitising these albums and putting them online, am surprised anyone thought that they would. (actually, i'm not, kids today...)

koogs, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 10:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah seriously wtf?

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 10:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

actually, there must be records in there that are out of copyright, most of Pig's Big 78s for instance. and those British Hit Parade 1961 compilations on amazon suggest that anything before 1961 is fair game... (although i think the rules have just changed again, thanks Cliff)

koogs, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 10:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

a lot of people are gonna be disappointed to find out it mostly contains grindcore. not me.

kid steel (cajunsunday), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Does 20,000 albums seem, um, not that many? Or am I massively underestimating how 'many' that is?

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

it means of all the albums he heard every year from his fifteenth birthday from his death, he found 400 that he thought were worth keeping

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

until his death, even

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Kept Scoundrel Days, binned Hunting High & Low

btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

so, ten a week then.

I can only imagine the volume he 'rejected' then, how do you get rid of those sorts of quantities of stuff?

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

leave them in a box at maida vale for people to take? i dunno, it doesn't seem that tough

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyway, what this demonstrates is that john peel's average critical nous over a lifetime should be ranked at .4 peak weingartens

thomp, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I guess, mainly because I'm imagining these all being sent to "Peel Acres" as was.. (xposT)

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 11:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

i see there are spotify links provided for most records so its not as useless as people are saying - there was no possible way they'd ever have the cash and time to clear every one of those records.

Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

so am i missing the part where you can look at front and back covers and info on records? the record spine thing is annoying.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

Does 20,000 albums seem, um, not that many? Or am I massively underestimating how 'many' that is?

16,573 of them are Fall records.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

so am i missing the part where you can look at front and back covers and info on records?

You have to click on them!

btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i did. i'll try a different browser.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

i guess if yer gonna own just one roy acuff record, that's the one.

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

NERD RAGE - is this in the order he left them in, or is it meant to be alphabetical? Because I've just clicked through Acceleradeck-Abyssinians-Accrington Stanley, and now I'm cross.

emil.y, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

ah, okay, works with firefox. pictures are too small though. and taking pictures of the inner sleeves is kinda crazy. nice closeups of the labels would have been urgent and key as people like to say.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

> how do you get rid of those sorts of quantities of stuff?

he used to give them away in competitions, several feet at a time. the play / blog / radio show 'john peel's shed' was written by one of the winners (and is great btw)

koogs, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

Does 20,000 albums seem, um, not that many? Or am I massively underestimating how 'many' that is?

It's a lot less than I would have expected. As for singles, I believe that before he had to sell them all off due to his contretemps with the Inland Revenue, Mike Read's collection went into six figures.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think the thing with showing the inner sleeves is that he's written on the track playing times on them.

btw didn't i braek ur heart (NickB), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

right, i kinda got that, but its a missed opportunity to have nice pictures of record labels that have never been photographed...

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

> ah, okay, works with firefox.

not here. ok in chrome though. odd.

koogs, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

That website is useless, I keep navigating around it and I never find anything. Suspect it's a browser issue and it bugs me how website developers can't make sure their sites work across browsers.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thing is, nine times out of ten I want to hear something I don't go rifling through my collection but find it online. I guess that's the "future" of record collecting in a nutshell.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, and eight years ago too.. Downloading tracks cuz you can't be bothered to look for in your own collection Blues...

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

eh -- "this is one of the greatest libraries ever but we haven't digitized all the books so the website is just a catalogue, what were you expecting" -- the curatorial issues don't really work the same way. i wonder what percentage of the 25,000 LPs + 40,000 singles is actually not available in digital form already somewhere.

and yeah, you're right. even without the audio it's a worthwhile project. but as a music lover, I'm just reflexively bitter that copyright law will prevent it from being the resource it could be in my lifetime. sure, you can get most of it online right now... but not all of it, and it certainly isn't curated.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

So basically it's not a resource.

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think pop music was ever meant to be a "resource" or be "curated."

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pop music, no.

Then again, Pop music has currency whereas not all music does.

e.g. the number of people who complained about RedNex' "Cotton Eye Joe" being 'turned into' a dumb ol' dance number from the 'historic' early americana of the original. Forgetting that back then it was a dumb ol' dance number even then!

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Neither was pop music ever meant to be a Bureau de Change.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think anything you see in museums was originally "meant" to be a "resource" or be "curated".

Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

we are all curators now.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

In truth, museums are wrong.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

burn all the museums down. that's my motto.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

record stores ARE museums.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't go so far as to burn them down, but they have gotten above themselves in the last 150 years or so.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

"record stores ARE museums."

not mine, man. everything is priced to sell. get it on out of there.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

museums are shrines to the rich. you can never have too many of those.

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

not mine, man. everything is priced to sell. get it on out of there.

the defining characteristics of a museum are not its collection being permanent or priceless. a record store, to me, is exactly what a museum of pop music would look like, not some rock n roll hall of fame sort of thing.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

there should be no "museum of pop music," it's a contradiction in terms.

Scott - wish more record shop owners in London subscribed to your way of thinking.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's Not A Mus E Um Of Pop Music!

Mark G, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

THIS BELONGS NOT IN A MUSEUM

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

\m/vsev\m/

emil.y, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

they say damp records the past. if that's so, I've got the biggest library yet. the biggest library yet.

Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink


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