So, you're a philosopher? : Most educated rock stars

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Well I think Laurie Anderson has a masters in sculpture, and Sterling Morrison eventually got a PhD in English. Who else?

Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

That's it.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Laurie Anderson really a "rock star" though?

Jaz Coleman, obviously.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Milo Auckerman (Descendents) is a biology professor at the University of Delaware (ex-UC San Diego & University of Wisconsin-Madison).

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Young MC won't let your forget he has a BA in Econmics or somthing like that!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Milo really DID go to college!

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Paris has some kind of business degree.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

MC BRAINS!!!!!!
OOCHIE COOCHIE LALALA
I AM THE BRAINS AND I'M UP TO PAR

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Laurie counts as she had a hit song.

Alex, one of these days I'm actually going to be convinced to listen to Killing Joke.

Maxwell von Bismarck (maxwell von bismarck), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Upon the heels of their latest release No Substance (due out May 5, 1998), Bad Religion is gearing up to headline this summer’s Warped Tour. In addition, singer/songwriter Greg Graffin is working on his Ph.D. in Paleoanthropology, which has become “a long term project, due to the fact that [he’s] pretty busy with the band.” Previously, Graffin taught Evolutionary History at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, where he currently resides.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't David Lee Roth have a PhD or something

Thea (Thea), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

What about, what about

Sting? English teacher
Weezer guy? grad student (?)
One of the guys from Big Black got a law degree
Decemberists lead singer? MFA
David Grubbs? English lit PhD
Some of the guys from Can? Studied with Stockhausen
The Offspring lead singer? PhD of some sort

harry mendes, Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Phil Alvin taught at Cal State Long Beach -- math, I believe.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

a hott saxophone player i saw on David Letterman once was a Rhodes Scholar.

Thea (Thea), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

And that reminds me so was Kris Kristofferson.
Joe Pernice and David Berman both have MFAs. Not that you can't tell.

harry mendes, Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Timothy Leary, Ash Ra Tempel collaborator, had a PhD in psychiatry.

harry mendes, Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't the guy from Bad Religion go to Harvard? (disclaimer: I've met some real dumbasses who went to Harvard).

shookout (shookout), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

If no one gets my "saxophone player" joke i will be annoyed, especially since the bush kerry singalong is about to start.

Thea (Thea), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

William Jefferson Clinton--jazz muso, surely, but rock star?

harry mendes, Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus seems well read (and no, I don't just mean ILX).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

c'mon, i was playing facetiously

Thea (Thea), Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

John F. Kerry got a law degree at Boston U or College, one of the two.

harry mendes, Thursday, 30 September 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm. that's not as funny, sorry harry!

Thea (Thea), Friday, 1 October 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Jaz Coleman, as Alex said. When I first found out about his other life I was blown away. How does he have time for it all?

the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 1 October 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Art Garfunkel has either a master's or a Ph.D. in mathematics.

And Gregory Abbott was an MBA before shaking you down.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 1 October 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

BOSTON - formed at MIT (is this rock myth or rock fact?)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom Scholz went to MIT

Joe (Joe), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I've heard Brian May of Queen studied astrophysics and was studying for a Ph.D. in it

Joe (Joe), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Richard Pinhas (founder of Heldon) - philosophy lecturer at the Sorbonne?

Joe (Joe), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Neil Tennant studied at the Sorbonne. Doctored in mathematics, he could have been a don. (Donne?)

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 1 October 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Louis Philippe: "fully trained philosophy teacher (Ecole normale Superieure)" (AMG)

Air: "Their former professions were maths teacher and architect respectively" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/southampton/music/air_rev.shtml)

the todster (the todster), Friday, 1 October 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Your joke didn't work because Clinton played the sax on Arsenio (x-post)

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 1 October 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I've heard Brian May of Queen studied astrophysics and was studying for a Ph.D. in it

This totally explains his Isaac Newton hairstyle. Sort of.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 1 October 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Many years ago this question was asked on the indie-pop list, and it was observed that each of Velocity Girl and Heavenly included a clutch of PhDs. Isn't Amelia Fletcher an economist or something?

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Friday, 1 October 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Side note: PhD candidates in the UK just write their dissertation; their labour isn't used to fill TA positions for undergraduates. So a British PhD can be completed in 2-3 years, while a typical PhD in a US institution takes 6-9 years or more, because so much of your time and energy is taken up with undergraduate teaching. So the PhD's from members of Heavenly (UK band, right?) were probably a good deal less time-consuming than the PhDs for members of Velocity Girl (US band, right?).

Drew Daniel, Friday, 1 October 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't mayo thompson have a grad degree? i don't remember where i might have read that.

i don't think charles ives qualifies as a rock star, right?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 1 October 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard David Lee Roth was studying to be an EMT.
Can you imagine getting hit by a truck and Diamond Dave jumps out of the ambulance all "I'm Just a Gigolo" style?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 October 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Talulah Gosh/Heavenly

Would-Be-Goods: Jessica Griffin was an Oxford-educated merchant banker

Jez (Jez), Friday, 1 October 2004 08:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"The fact is, I've got a degree in politics, and I'm more intelligent
than a lot of people who will read the lyrics" Nicky Wire

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 1 October 2004 10:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Quote of the week

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Friday, 1 October 2004 10:51 (twenty-one years ago)

That tit from The Offspring has a Phd in microbiology, I believe.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 1 October 2004 12:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Dr. Alban! Dentist!

OleM (OleM), Friday, 1 October 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

John Lydon has a Phd (or similar postgrad qualification) in marine biology, I'm sure I read once upon a time.

Aren't there a large number of musicians who've studied architecture? For example: Brett Anderson, Justine Frishcmann, Ice Cube ... er, I think someone out of Pink Floyd...er...

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 1 October 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

was ice cube more of the i.m. pei or the wright school?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 1 October 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

If Redman is to be believed, then "I got a Phd in physics on how I can get". Though this appears doubtful.

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 1 October 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

don't forgot that kanye west also has a p.h.d.

equinox, Friday, 1 October 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

What's all that 'college dropout' stuff about, then?

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 1 October 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

brainy musicians

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 1 October 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

John Lydon has a Phd (or similar postgrad qualification) in marine biology, I'm sure I read once upon a time.

When would he have found the time for this?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 1 October 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Graeme Downes has a PhD in music. He's a prof at the University of Otago.

JC-L (JC-L), Friday, 1 October 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

John Lydon has a Phd (or similar postgrad qualification) in marine biology, I'm sure I read once upon a time.
When would he have found the time for this?

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), October 1st, 2004.

I read about this in an interview with Lydon in Q magazine in the very early 90s. He was talking about how well married life in California was treating him, and they talked about his marine biology studies too.

M Carty (mj_c), Saturday, 2 October 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

fred durst has an honorary doctorate in 'wtf?'.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 2 October 2004 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

So....where is Adorable now?

Robert: Getting into computer networks. (Later says that he's "studying for his MCSE (Microsoft Certification)")
Kevin: Math Teacher in Bodmin Community College, but I hear that he's going to Truro(?).
Wil: Teacher

fernando, Saturday, 2 October 2004 12:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The Beastie Boys are dropping science like Galileo dropped an orange.

Bruce S. Urquhart (BanjoMania), Saturday, 2 October 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

if veolicty girl were so smart then how come their music was so stupid?

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 2 October 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

nice spelling. does sarah shannon have a phd in opera then?

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 2 October 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i belive david banner has or is working on an ma.

also that dude w/the beard one sub pop that makes boring whispery folk songs has a phd. i cant remember what hes called though.

artdamages (artdamages), Saturday, 2 October 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i was about to add the danner banner thing. first time i'd ever heard of him (pre-his ilm fame) was in a newspaper article where the hook was "rapper in obtaining masters degree shocker!"

m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 2 October 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Andy Cohen of Silkworm is a lawyer.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 2 October 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

someone beat me to the punch re the offspring guy w/ the biochem Ph.D. shame that their music is so stupid and bad.

ruben blades isn't really "rock," but he's also a lawyer. (santiago durango is the big black J.D.).

and lest we forget, mick jagger went to the london school of economics. dunno if he graduated (as if he cares at this point).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 2 October 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

re rock'n'roll accountants -- i believe that gibby hayes has his undegrad degree in accounting (dunno if he ever bothered to become a CPA, though).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 2 October 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

haha danner banner! i need sleep.

m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 2 October 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

> Neil Tennant studied at the Sorbonne. Doctored in mathematics, he could have been a don.

Seriously, Tennant is actually a B.A. - in history, if memory serves. I believe Chris Lowe has a degree in architecture.

Palomino (Palomino), Saturday, 2 October 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Al Jourgenson from Ministry has a masters degree in history.

alienautopsy, Saturday, 2 October 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

And a PHD in smack.

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Sunday, 3 October 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

About rappers:

Defari has a degree in sociology and a master's degree in history and teaching, and works/used to work as a teacher. Someone on ILE mentioned that Mike Ladd was a teacher too. Paris' economics degree is of course a famous case, because he quit rapping and went to work as a stock broker (before returning last year). I'm pretty sure some of the members of Roots (Black Thought) and The Hieroglyphics have master's degrees too. Did Puffy ever finish that masters degree in economics that was always mentioned in his mid-nineties interviews? And what about Canibus? I'm not sure if he has an university education, but at least he spits some quite "academic" words.

I'd love to hear more about academic rappers, since it's so much against the stereotype. I don't mean to say having a degree makes anyone a better (or worse) MC, I'm just interested for curiosity's sake.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 3 October 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Bushwick Bill has a master's degree in public policy from Stanford. Biz Markie is working on his Ph.D at Columbia (major unknown). That's all I know besides what you said.

splurge, Sunday, 3 October 2004 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Biz Markie? Cool!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 3 October 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris Geddes from Belle and Sebastian actually is a philosopher. Well, he has a degree in Philosophy anyway (he was in my year at Glasgow University).

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 October 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

MC Paul Barman, shock horror, has an Ivy League degree. Visual arts, I think.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 3 October 2004 11:57 (twenty-one years ago)

isn't young mc an economist or something? (i think gregory abbot might be one, too, but he never rapped i don't think.)

chuck, Sunday, 3 October 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Just for the record: Is Dr. Alban the only one ever having rightfully used "Doctor" as part of his artist name? :)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 4 October 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Bushwick Bill has a master's degree in public policy from Stanford.

"this year election day fell next to a halloween weekend/me and john kerry been trick-or-treatin'"

that said, i find this hard to believe.

Biz Markie is working on his Ph.D at Columbia (major unknown).

we must ask ms. kearney if she's seen him on campus!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 4 October 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

Does Green Gartside (Scritti Politti) have some sort of classy degree, I think I read that he's dabbled in his fair share of post-structuralism and/or was friends with Derrida, or something of the sort.

mehlt, Thursday, 28 February 2008 05:53 (eighteen years ago)

Another scan of wikipedia doesn't make it sound as impressive, but prove me wrong!

mehlt, Thursday, 28 February 2008 05:54 (eighteen years ago)

wiki:

"In October 2006 it was announced that Coleman had been chosen as Composer in Residence for the European Union. As Composer in Residence he will be given a grant to write and perform music for the EU on special occasions."

and

"He also appeared on the soundtrack to Disney's animated feature film Mulan (1998)."

berlimey!

Frogman Henry, Thursday, 28 February 2008 06:04 (eighteen years ago)

Carsten Jost seems rather educated, most techno producers don't put Adorno or Deleuze as their top Myspace friends, and I know he's a professional artist (as David Lieske, his real name).Interestingly enough I was flipping through Artforum half a year ago or so, and out of nowhere I stumble upon a photo of Efdemin, subsequently think "what the hell," as if my mind has started caving in on itself, then realize it was for a review of a show of his.

mehlt, Thursday, 28 February 2008 06:05 (eighteen years ago)

BOC met up at college. Clarkson in upstate New York. Joe and Al Bouchard are both high school teachers, if I remember right.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 28 February 2008 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

didnt BOC meet at stony brook?

guy from bad religion (greg gaffen(in?)) was still working at a Phd in zoology at cornell. don't know about harvard. huey lewis was a cornell engineering student, but quit.

bb, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

and..um...dr drew daniel, kids...

bb, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

Carsten Jost seems rather educated, most techno producers don't put Adorno or Deleuze as their top Myspace friends

Except everyone on Mille Plateaux, a label which was even named after the book from Deleuze & Guattari.

Tuomas, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

I think there's a fairly strong academic undercurrent in electronic music, people like Terre Thaemlitz or DJ Spooky even include academic essays into their album liner notes.

Tuomas, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

When I talked to Tim Hecker last, he was in a grad program in Montreal, I think pursuing a PhD in Communications or Media Studies.

There's a lot of overlap between academia and electronic music.

Drew Daniel, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

haha im not smart or a particularly badass music nerd but my interest in electronic music became a lot more deep as i got more into college and studying and stuff

max, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

so i guess they sort of go together

max, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

"didnt BOC meet at stony brook?"

No, they gathered there after college, I believe their manager taught there or something. Al, Buck and Bloom met at Clarkson, I think.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 28 February 2008 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

I am glad that BOC in this context meant Blue Oyster Cult and not Boards of Canada.

Drew Daniel, Thursday, 28 February 2008 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

I don't have a fucking clue who Boards of Canada are.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 28 February 2008 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

Anthony Braxton?

poortheatre, Thursday, 28 February 2008 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

Brian Harold May CBE (born July 19, 1947) is an English musician and astrophysicist most widely known as the lead guitarist in the British rock band Queen. He built (with his father) his own guitar, called the "Red Special" with wood from a mantelpiece. He wrote some of Queen's most famous songs and biggest hits, including "We Will Rock You", "Fat Bottomed Girls", "Tie Your Mother Down", "Who Wants to Live Forever" and "I Want It All". He is also well renowned for his long-term interest in astrophysics, having recently completed his doctoral thesis in the subject.[1][2][3]

gff, Thursday, 28 February 2008 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

Carsten Jost seems rather educated, most techno producers don't put Adorno or Deleuze as their top Myspace friends

Except everyone on Mille Plateaux, a label which was even named after the book from Deleuze & Guattari.

-- Tuomas, Thursday, 28 February 2008 18:04 (1 hour ago) Link

Yeah, but has Mille Plateaux done anything that even hinted at something non-academic or not of intellectual validity?

That was only a half joke, since I generally tend to like smart musicians, more so than not very smart musicians.

mehlt, Thursday, 28 February 2008 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

Iggy Pop is one of the few famous popular musicians to have published in an established journal of Classical scholarship: his article "Caesar Lives"[2] in the second Volume of Classics Ireland (1995) considers the applicability of Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire to the modern world. In the article, Pop further relates how reading Gibbon while on tour in the Southern United States inspired him to a spontaneous soliloquy he called "Caesar".

jessie monster, Thursday, 28 February 2008 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

I kept thinking BOC meant Blue Oyster Cult.

novaheat, Friday, 29 February 2008 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

i guess i just dont think about boards of canada

bb, Friday, 29 February 2008 00:59 (eighteen years ago)

didn't the butthole surfers meet in business school? also that guy from Luna went to Harvard

breadmaster, Friday, 29 February 2008 01:39 (eighteen years ago)

Galaxie 500 met at Harvard actually.

DJ Rupture graduated from there too.

mehlt, Friday, 29 February 2008 03:36 (eighteen years ago)

I don't have a fucking clue

-- Bill Magill, Thursday, 28 February 2008 19:33 (Yesterday) Link

Drew Daniel, Friday, 29 February 2008 04:06 (eighteen years ago)

Damn, you really got me there. Congrats

Bill Magill, Friday, 29 February 2008 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

Boards of Canada is an underground rap crew from Toronto, consisting of four MCs named Board of Education, Board of Defense, Board of Health, and Board of Trade aka "Gumpy".

Tuomas, Friday, 29 February 2008 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

Snappy name.

Bill Magill, Friday, 29 February 2008 17:35 (eighteen years ago)


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