Jeff Mills, Carl Craig, Derrick May

Carl Craig: buy the Paperclip People - Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich cd and the 69 - The Sound of Music cd

Derrick May - The Innovator 2cd set

bob's your uncle.

Jeff Mills -- tough one ... maybe start with an X101 single? He has a lot of albums. "Lifelike" has a great mix of stuff: hard and pounding, classic Detroit, ambient-ish. At some point you must also get his mix CD "Live at the Liquid Room" because it's basically the greatest mix CD ever.

Carl Craig -- Many people would recommend Psyche first, I think. The Innerzone Orchestra album is also a nice change from the usual -- "broken beat"s, very jazzy and loose throughout.

With Craig you can start any place really. Although that 69 - Sound of Music compilation has a nice mix of emo-tracks a la 'Desire' and bangers like 'Jam The Box'.

- urban tribe's "collapse of modern culture" is the best album ever.

- nurmad jusat's tracks under the names nuron & fugue on the likemind label. hell, all of the likemind label (it's only 4 eps)

- steve pickton's work as stasis on peacefrog (earlier material better) and his ep on mo'wax especially

- early black dog work, and their side projects. balil is the biggie, tura and atypic to a lesser degree. about 1/2 to 2/3 of the "trainer" retrospective fits your description.

- early material on the planet e label. the "intergalactic beats" comp, but also the lesser-known "elements of and experiments with sound" compilation (modeselector, moodring and especially the connection machine are the key artists, i think)

- obviously b12, who made a career out of copying derrick may, and early kirk degiorgio too. i guess the applied rhythmic technology and b12 catalogs.

- david moufang's work as move d

early tracks on the eevo lute muzique label fit the bill too and are highly rated in some circles but i don't think they're all that great.

i'd call the material on the ferox label "Rainforest" in the sense that it's basically artcore techno, though instead of the fragile degenerate synths you had this super-perky ultra-discrete synthwork. that and extra shuffliness makes lots of the ferox catalog fall closer to proto-microhouse, though if you're still interested the "techno soul" compilations and russ gabriel's early-to-mid catalog will probably suit you fine.

um i feel like i should have more to say because this is my favorite kind of music but derrick may is much more sui generis than you'd think. also the recent european detroit techno revival stuff sort of leaves me cold ($tinkworx, arne weinberg, deepart, etc).

there's a thread somewhere on not-west-london broken beat (CiM, the better stuff on delsin, etc) but that's not really like derrick may, it's just coming from a milleu where early-90s uk techno (likemind label, applied rhythmic technology, etc) is ground zero.

Mills: You need the every dog has its day records, the other day, and a copy of the purpose maker comp.

May: Innovator

Craig: Psyche/BFC and More Songs... should do the trick.

If I owned a computer I would get off my ass and make a nuggets disc, it has to have nicolette and I believe by Octave One.

derrick may - also easy to answer, like everyone else on this thread the answer is "with everything" ie with "innovator"

jeff mills - really hard to answer!! the liquid room mix or the purposemaker comp. the mix is really like a greatest-hits leavened with other people's stuff (well, all of his dj sets are). the purposemaker comp sort of also, except it is fatally flawed because it doesn't have "changes of life" or "step to enchantment (stringent)".

Nice to see you posting again vahid.

Marcus Nicoli is playing in Hollywood this Wednesday.

sorry for the cross post everyone.

I've been listening to the Wizard mixes and they are amazing!

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/73198_447840532915_1913494_n.jpg?oh=c8d0c107c15c0a791fc16613a4bfba14&oe=56DC37E1

jeff looks about 12 there

ikr

Who's the guy with the mic? (excuse my ignorance)

i would like to know too!

andy k to thread?

Detroit Techno Militia shared it on Facebook from somebody else's page. Don't recognise the guy with the mic but love the Police shirt and love the whole vibe of the picture

couple of other shots here

http://www.detroittechnomilitia.com/main/index.php/techno-history/music-history/455-jeff-mills-as-the-wizard

there's a thread somewhere on not-west-london broken beat (CiM, the better stuff on delsin, etc) but that's not really like derrick may, it's just coming from a milleu where early-90s uk techno (likemind label, applied rhythmic technology, etc) is ground zero.

I love this stuff.

There's another thread where someone asks for stuff that sounds like "object orient" and "bugz in the bassbin (street mix)"

:-D

*hi fives*

Yeah! *hi fives back*

I recently rediscovered Time Tourist by b12 and my goodness, it's like those songs had been fermenting in my brain for 15 years.. Wonderful album.

The Late Great, have you heard Stephen Tang's album from last year (called disconnect to reconnect or something, on smallville, I think)? It's total early b12-ish Detroit worship

The gentleman in the Police shirt is Dale Willis.

cool!

i haven't heard the stephen tang album but "time tourist" is one of my all-time favorite warp albums, will check out stephen tang for sure

andy do you know any cool dale willis stories

No but Willis is mentioned (as one of Mills' mentors?) in the late great Dan Sicko's Techno Rebels, the late great.

Q. How did you begin to work professionally in music?

A. I auditioned for a DJ group called the Dale Willis Organization. My older brother was part of that organization. They provided the Dance Music for parties and events around Detroit in the 70s/80s. After begging him for months to arrange a audition, I got the chance to display what I had been practicing for and in a real club with grown up people. I was 17 at the time. Dale Willis liked what I did and started working at a club called The Lady in Detroit on Tuesday Nights. I was under age, so I had to stay in the DJ booth the entire night. It was there, Dale and others taught me how to program, read, measure and pace the crowd and a lot other things that I still practice today.

http://blog.welove-music.com/?p=409

I'm not a Jeff Mills afficionado but I'm listening to Final Cut - Deep In 2 The Cut, which from what I can tell is the only Final Cut album Jeff Mills was involved with? But it's really good anyway.

I think I downloaded this off an industrial music blog, and it does have a bit of an industrial/EBM sound to it but that's up my street anyway.

Collapse of Modern Culture by Urban Tribe is one of the best things Carl Craig has been involved in.

https://www.discogs.com/Urban-Tribe-The-Collapse-Of-Modern-Culture/master/18121

that is a cool album, didn't know c2 was involved!

i thought urban tribe was just dj stingray for some reason

I think this is the only album CC was involved with.

i believe that album was discussed upthread ... credits on that one are quite complicated.

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jeff mills looks like a weird motherfucker with some dark secrets