Jayhawks: S/D, C/D

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While somewhat bland overall, there's a song on their Tomorrow The Green Grass album I think called "Miss Williams' Guitar" which is so fantastically melodic and infectious, everyone should download it right now (well fans of power pop / good americana that is). That song = classic. I suspect they were much better before Mark Olson left the band, but only have the aforementioned LP and Smile which came later to back that assumption up. Smile has great melodies but is a bit sheeny and overly ambitious - though it still rewards. What does ILM think?

piers (piers), Sunday, 19 September 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Well I love(d) 'em, but I'll bet you won't find much appreciation around here. Tomorrow The Green Grass and Sound of Lies (without Mark Olson) are terrific. I actually prefer the latter. Everything thereafter's not-so-hot, though.

Dark Horse, Sunday, 19 September 2004 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah and I'm sorta hoping/expecting to be called a Dad-Rock lover or something like that. And probably by people who have kids too!

piers (piers), Sunday, 19 September 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I like them a lot, their music, although displaying outward signs of fun and happiness, has an underlying, awkward menace.

cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 19 September 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

hollywood town hall and tomorrow the green grass are indeed awesome. picked up rainy day music when it came out and was put off by its backwards-looking suckitude. still. those two albums.

drew, Sunday, 19 September 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Hollywood Town Hall and Green Grass; the post-Olson stuff has its moments (probably more moments than Olson's post-Jayhawks stuff), but Gary Louris is one of these guys who really needs a collaborator. Hollywood Town Hall is moody and tuneful and makes me think of my first marriage -- that is, nostalgia tinged with bitterness, or vice versa.

If you like that stuff, also search the two Golden Smog albums, Louris and Jeff Tweedy's side project. A handful of gems on each one.

Altogether, a minor pleasure, but I like minor pleasures.

spittle (spittle), Sunday, 19 September 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I like them. Hollywood Town Hall is great, but I disagree with spittle's claim that Louris fares better than Olson's post-Jayhawks stuff. The Creekdippers albums are all really good.

and "Blue" is a fantastic pop song, no doubt about it

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 19 September 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the Creekdippers OK, but it all gets very samey. And what are there, like 5 of them, plus Victoria's stuff? Someone needs to cherrypick all of that and put out a compilation.

spittle (spittle), Sunday, 19 September 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

(I saw Olson and Victoria on tour a few years back. They traded off songs and were pretty endearing.)

spittle (spittle), Sunday, 19 September 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks! Am curious about checking out mostly Hollywood Town Hall and even Sound Of Lies a little if I see it cheap somewhere. Golden Smog sounds interesting too.

piers (piers), Monday, 20 September 2004 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"Save It for a Rainy Day" could have been a widely known classic, like "There She Goes" or "Turn Turn Turn." I am sad that it wasn't.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 20 September 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Sound Of Lies is just great - and in many ways, the only Americana/country-rock/post-Wilco/Uncut-friendly/whatever album I actually need. Terrific live as well.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 20 September 2004 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Another big vote for Sound Of Lies. I tend to get in bitter arguments with people about this record. Usually people who don't like it are the kind who form an opinion after one listen; it doesn't reveal all that quickly.

Re: Golden Smog, the tune to download is "Until You Came Along", which you will like instantly as much as "Miss Williams Guitar". It may be the best Jayhawks-related tune of all.

southern lights (southern lights), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to LOVE this band. "Blue" - that was my 1995 in four minutes. I should dig a little deeper.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:37 (nineteen years ago) link

HTH/Blue OTM.

briania (briania), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

their Twin/Tone album Blue Earth is really great country rock as well....and named after me hometown!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 20 September 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Hollywood Town Hall is my favorite. If you're interested in Golden Smog, I'd suggest starting with "Weird Tales."

I saw Golden Smog twice in NYNY last month. Great shows.

subgenius (subgenius), Monday, 20 September 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Did anyone buy the reissue of the first s/t album that just came out?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 31 May 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

no but i have an old burn that was made off the original vinyl a long time ago, it's a great album...a little more hyped up and country than their other stuff

m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

New album leaked. It's in a bunch of styles, but a lot of the production (by Mr. Louris) actually reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhNrqc6yvTU

...is this where the cover art for Smile comes from??

can't remember why i picked this awful name (forapper), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

I've tried many times with these guys, and I can't get enthused. Saw 'em live this summer, and it didn't help. They're like Firefall or something.

Hey T-Paw, mow my lawn! (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

I lost the thread with Smile. Just seemed like such an overreaching album for them. I still enjoy Hollywood Town Hall, most of Tomorrow the Green Grass, and parts of Sound of Lies, but it seems like diminishing returns since then.

Punned Sheerest, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link

They're like Firefall or something.

well firefall was sort of a spinoff of the flying burrito bros, so yes

buzza, Tuesday, 30 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

'sound of lies' is my favorite and sounds nothing like firefall (not that there's anything wrong with them); more like big star

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link

more like the Mac! but yeah I love that album so much...dug the band before that but more live than on record (aside from "Two Hearts" which slays) & Smile never really worked for me, dug the sound but the songs weren't really there...but Sound Of Lies is a masterpiece, though I confess my objectivity is clouded by a bunch of personal stuff that I can't separate from those songs.

Euler, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 01:10 (twelve years ago) link

it's such a great album. not a bad song on it. to think it was the one after mark left, too! really looking forward to hearing this new one. i think it's the first one with mark back?

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 01:48 (twelve years ago) link

mark > gary

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, Mark returned and they wrote new music together. If you like Mark you'll like this record, about half the songs sound like his recent solo stuff with more finished production. (The other half is mixed genres done all in harmony. It's actually a really good record.)

hurricane weather (forapper), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 07:08 (twelve years ago) link

Actually, I take it back: I dunno if it's a good record or not, because I can't be objective about this band. I think it's the best thing they've done in a while, though.

hurricane weather (forapper), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 07:14 (twelve years ago) link

I will definitely check it out. I saw Mark a few months ago play with just a bassist and a guy on fiddle and it was outstanding, one of the best shows I've seen all year. There were only fifteen people there, natch. Ugh.

Forapper, did you like the Olson / Louris album on Ryko? Thought that was way underrated, didn't seem to get any attention at all.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

I have mixed feelings about it. I love the songs, but I find the album hard to listen to, as an album. Everything on it is fragile and tentative, and the ghostly production* reinforces those feelings of fragility and tentativeness, to the point where it sounds almost like a couple of abuse survivors got together and decided to put out an album together, or like it's set in a haunted <s>house</s> church. Saturday Morning on Sunday Street, in particular, is just this incredibly creepy song. I think it's a beautiful album, but I'm not always in the mood to be haunted, so I rarely put it on, and I can understand why it didn't take off. I think it got some decent exposure, though, from the usual supporters (Minnesota Public Radio, NPR, Paste Magazine, No Depression).

I think I read somewhere that they were inspired put it out after "rediscovering" some old demos from 1992 - the same ones that show up on the Tomorrow the Green Grass reissue bonus disk. This makes sense to me, because those are some pretty intense demos, if you know what I mean.

All in all I think I prefer the approach on the new record. There's this mostly-acoustic song, for instance, called "Pouring Rain at Dawn". It's mostly a very reasonable-sounding song about an adult relationship with boundaries - "I don't want to be ungrateful, I don't want to be unfaithful, I just want to be the one you call" - but then it veers unexpectedly into this kinda intense section where the singer** says he never should be breaking your heart again, punctuated by about 5 seconds of sad French chanteuse music... and then the song goes back to sounding reasonable again, as if nothing had happened. XD Well, I might be editorializing a bit here, as far as what's actually going on in the song, but the point is, darkness is still very much present, but it's a bit more contained. (Although I guess another way of looking at it is that the reasonableness is all on the surface, while the crazy neediness is still there underneath.)

*kind of reminds me of Pete Doherty's solo record, actually
**actually two singers, but for the sake of argument

hurricane weather (forapper), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 23:33 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Absorbing the new album, but while the songs sink in the first thing that strikes me is how much I love their harmonies. I haven't heard the Olson/Louris, I need to track it down. I knew they'd been playing a lot together but honestly had lost interest. But the two of them singing together is really the key. For me they're more a sound band than a song band.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 3 October 2011 03:02 (twelve years ago) link

olson/louris is good. a lot more spare. it's good to hear these two sing together again

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 3 October 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah I prefer the Olson / Louris album to the new one, but both are good.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 3 October 2011 03:10 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

I was eating fried chicken for lunch today and "nothing left to borrow" came on

calstars, Thursday, 7 January 2016 01:42 (eight years ago) link

I heard that one the other day too, on satellite radio. Still a great song.

hurricane weather (forapper), Thursday, 7 January 2016 02:07 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

If there's anyone who is still interested in them, the first track on the new album is good: "quiet corners & empty spaces"

calstars, Friday, 6 May 2016 01:02 (seven years ago) link

Oh wow I had no idea they had a new album out, thanks for the tip-off calstars *tips hat*

hurricane weather (forapper), Friday, 13 May 2016 00:37 (seven years ago) link

four years pass...

New album out today. Not breaking any new ground at this point but it's nice.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 10 July 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link

Thanks, it’s hitting the spot at the moment

calstars, Friday, 10 July 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link

This has wormed its way into my head now that I’ve listened to it a few more times. This might be my favorite of their late-period stuff.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link

OTM!

Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

Gary Louris continues a humble late-career resurgence. Last year’s Jayhawks album has really stuck with me. Now he’s got a solo album out and it’s quite nice!

I need to revisit everything post-Smile and reconfirm my thoughts on those records (solo and Jayhawks). I recall them all being hit-or-miss, but maybe it’s me that’s changed?

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 12 June 2021 19:19 (two years ago) link


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