Taking Sides: Indigo Girls "Closer to Fine" vs Edie Brickells "What I Am"

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(Shit this might qualify as a "Defend the Indefensible" thread...)

Okay, they're both sweet, folky proto-indie songs with vague, portentious lyrics about the dangers of philosophy (...or something...)
They both are bus-stop-hum-worthy to some degree.
But what does the ILM hivemind think about these two semi-obscure tunes?
Or do you think they're both crap and prefer 10,000 Maniacs.

(This thread also serves as a Classic or Dud / Search and Destroy / Say Something Interesing / Why in the Name of All Thats Holy type scenario)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 17 September 2004 02:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Or do you think they're both crap and prefer 10,000 Maniacs.

10,000 Maniacs were at least a step or two away from the hackey sack circle....and could write the odd, decent tune.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Closer To Fine" wins. No wah-wah solo.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

diesel dykes from georgia v. popeye.

edie wins.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

No wah-wah solo.

Oh bingo bingo. Between that and the fact that the guitar player in the video is wearing denim overalls (inna Jerry stylee) just made me want through a fuckin' hockey puck at the screen everytime that video came on. Fuck those guys.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i can't believe that alex and miccio are siding agin me on something.

i'm not a big edie brickell fan -- i just can't stomach the indigo girls AT ALL.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That's what makes Anthony's frequent lapses into ridiculousness more frustrating.....he's not entirely insane.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

once i went to a coffee shop/bookstore with some friends. we discovered that there was this chick folk singer performing there. we took a seat and i announced, "i bet $10 that her first song will be 'closer to fine."

i won.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I actually saw 10,000 Maniacs perform on their In My Tribe tour at the Newport in Columbus, Ohio. She scolded the audience and told us that Columbus was one of the filthiest cities she'd ever seen. When everyone laughed, she stamped her little foot and said, "I'm not kidding, you should be ashamed!" Rock'n'roll, eh?

The opening act was some earnestly oppressed woman with an acoustic guitar no one had yet heard of. Tracy Chapman.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

When everyone laughed, she stamped her little foot and said, "I'm not kidding, you should be ashamed!" Rock'n'roll, eh?

if only morrissey were american and female ...

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

besides, isn't she from rochester, ny (which, i imagine, is INDESCRIBABLY filthier than columbus at its nastiest)?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

AND BORING AS ALL GET OUT xpost

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

now that i'm about a decade removed from those AWFUL AWFUL GIRLS at my highs chool who loved the indigo girls so much, i can actually sort of...kind of...maybe...appreciate them...a little bit. just enough to give them a slight edge over the rather hapless edie brickell.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"closer to fine" is a fantastic song! as is "least complicated". edie brickell does little for me in general (although "circle" is a much better song than "what i am")

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i wish the indigo goils didn't sing so stridently and enunciate so carefully

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Indigo Girls just seemed so utterly humorless and Edie Brickell and New Bohemians (note: no "the" before Bohemians) were just such self-styled hippy fuckshits. Just awful, awful, awful music.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

alex the proper christian attitude is to find a redeeming quality in all things.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well, if it's one thing I've never been good at, it's being a proper Christian.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

alex the proper christian attitude is to find a redeeming quality in all things

and a l'shana tovah to you, too!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

That's what makes Anthony's frequent lapses into ridiculousness more frustrating.....he's not entirely insane.
True. True. Both I AND the King of the Potato People will vouch for his sanity.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ok, we get it - you all hate earnest young women of moderate intelligence with unshiny hair

come back when you can spell 'portentous'

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

there are like two dozen Indigo Girls songs as good as 'Closer to Fine'

there are like two Edie Brickell songs as good (' ') as 'What I Am'

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's not a wah-wah, it's an envelope filter.

Both songs suck. Bad. "What I am" is an update of Popeye's theme song.

And the verse "I spent four years prostrate to the higher mind/got my paper and I was FREE" makes me cringe every time.

shookout (shookout), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I don't think either song is so terrible, or so memorable, and probably like both better than anything I've heard sung by the affectless Natalie Merchant. Now, will some girl please like me?

briania (briania), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

edie, probably because of associated memories of being like 9 or 10 when it came out, and hearing it on the radio.

that combo of acoustic strum with blah girl-girl harmonies and
offensive bullshit-self-help lyrics on the indigo girls stuff, along with natalie merchant's voice and pete yorn's ouevre define for me the GREAT MEDIOCRE, which is a trillion times worse than anything else, even cancer.

peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

good. so we ALL hate natalie merchant. excellent.

peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

oh my goodness, these were my no 1 and no 2 favourite songs in yr 12. i had edie's "shooting rubber bands at the stars" tape imported. aaaaaah highschool

gem (trisk), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Natalie Merchant's "Jealousy" is hysterical. It's like "You Oughta Know" on ludes.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'll take Edie. I like the minor, vaguely Eastern feel of the chorus, and it's kind of fun to sing "but I know what I know, if you know what I mean," in the way that tongue twisters are fun. Also, there's a certain coyness about it that's utterly missing from the Indigo Girls song -- although I don't mind "Closer to Fine," sometimes that big ol' strummy BEEN TO THE MOUNTAIN! part grates.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I like Natalie Merchant's "Carnival."

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"carnival" is considerably less annoying than her other solo hits. That one about how she needs to thank you, lalalalalalalala....oh fuck.

I might get annoyed by them if I had to deal with them more often (the lyrics I hear are a bit much - so are Ted Leo's but he's got groove at least on Hearts Of Oak), but I have no real beef with the Indigo girls. "Closer To Fine" sound great, and well, I've had some classic futile crushes on girls like them before.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Edie Brickell is much more of a mooncalf.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i cannot recall a single natalie merchant or 10,000 maniacs song, though i have a distinct impression of the sound of her voice. i think this is significant.

amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 15:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

(i can only say nice things abt the indigo girls because i have not had to interact with one of their rabid fans for about a decade.)

amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 15:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Carnival is a GREAT record, and there is exactly ONE person to thank for why it was so good - guitarist Jennifer Turner.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

And you guys can suck chimp testicles, Edie Brickell is a good songwriter, with a gooder than fuck - albeit horribly fashion-impaired - band.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

that is not an album i would have expected you to champion, nick.

peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm amazed we haven't had a Paul Simon joke yet.

The best thing about Edie Brickell is that when I saw them in concert back in high school, Steve Forbert opened up, and he was GREAT. I'd never heard of him before.

shookout (shookout), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Indigo Girls have no sense of humor, their song structures, melodies, and harmonies are interchangeable from one song to the next, their music doesn't have a good beat, and you can't bug out to it. I don't exactly hate THEM, but I hate what their popularity has done to the modern notion of American folk music.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't hear "Closer To Fine" without thinking of this:

http://www.brunching.com/yourroommate.html

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm not surprised Nick like Edie. That guitar solo is pure ween.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Matt Chamberlain - drummer, he of New Bohemians - is one of my favorite drummers on Earth at the moment. He's all over the place these days. If you've heard a Fiona Apple song, you've heard a Matt Chamberlain drum track.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Really? I didn't know that about Chamberlain. He is indeed a damn fine drummer. Did he play in Apple's touring band? My best friend's sister is Apple's roommate. She's so cute, a little person with big eyes and greasy hair. Grrrr...

shookout (shookout), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I actually saw 10,000 Maniacs perform on their In My Tribe tour at the Newport in Columbus, Ohio. She scolded the audience and told us that Columbus was one of the filthiest cities she'd ever seen. When everyone laughed, she stamped her little foot and said, "I'm not kidding, you should be ashamed!" Rock'n'roll, eh?

when i lived in chicago, my wife worked for Anderson Consluting and they gave us a free concert at where ever the Bulls play. it was Natalie Merchant. we went and laughed at all fucking, yuppie consulting fuckwads. Merchant opened the show by saying, "chicago, you guys sure do like your BEEEEEEEEEEEEER!" and just kept saying "BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER" really long and drawn out like that. of course she was making fun of the audience, but they really did like their beer, so they cheered along.

JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Edie +... Redeemed by "Smile of a Dog" line.
Indigo Girls .. Affected harmonies. May as well be the Eagles.

Alex, the Newport is a real shithole though, you gotta admit.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

NM is from Jamestown, not Rochester. My one drive through Jamestown didn't really inspire me to go back. Spent a lot of time in Columbus; it's no cleaner/dirtier than other cities its size.

I don't have any Paul Simon jokes, but my reaction to the 'four years prostrate' line has always been 'in your case, it was probably at least six'.

Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i spent a night at the jamestown holiday inn when my rental truck broke down. jamestown = depressing

amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 16:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Columbus isn't dirty. OSU is dirty.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Shookout - when I saw her, she had some older dude who was definitely NOT Chamberlain playing. She was drunk as piss and apparently not too happy with the dudes who made up her band at the moment. I think she would've liked him there instead.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I have however seen him perform with Tori Amos (who he has also done many, many recordings with), and it was quite honestly a really kick-ass show. Tori shows WITH band >>>>>> Tori shows without.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what? where does that come from? why are you being an asshole?

amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 19:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

seriously, i'm not sure what caricature you're struggling to apply to other posters on this thread, but i don't think it fits.

amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 19:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

give me [the indigo girls] over Simon and Garfunkel any damn day

there's logic to this. I'd totally listen to an Indigo Girls CD-R comp made by somebody who I knew had taste and access to their rather huge discography).

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and Jeanne you qualify taste-wise, but I don't know if you have that much of their stuff or any interest in making one of these

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

where does that come from?

I was referring to this...

now that i'm about a decade removed from those AWFUL AWFUL GIRLS at my highs chool who loved the indigo girls so much

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

and while I balk at the idea that Merchant/Indigo Girls/Brickell are getting ripped on solely cuz they and their fanbase are women (the word "mook" gets thrown around far too much for me to assume that ILM es muy macho in every sense), but S&G and Ted Leo have similar lyrical pretension as the Indigo Girls and don't get nearly as much crap (in part cuz S&G are probably catchier and you dance to the best Ted Leo).

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ack! are predominantly women. sorry.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Anthony, just get their best of (Retrospective). The only albums of theirs that I have is that one, their self-titled and Rites of Passage. (I'm just not so huge into them that it would warrant any more albums of theirs.)

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Or scratch that and just get Amy Ray's solo album, Stag.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

gabbneb is a woman?!

haha true story: I only know "Closer to Fine" because K@hleen Edwards, who was then in my chemistry and world issues classes, used to play it all the time at high school coffeehouses. An early stepping-stone on her route to fame!

I still hear "What I Am" in pubs sometimes. I really don't like the lyrics, which do strike me as pretty blatantly anti-intellectual and in a gratingly smug and corny way, and I don't find the music at all interesting or appealing enough to overcome this. I can tune out lyrics but the music doesn't do much for me.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

who is k@hleen edwards?

amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 19:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the only people who call others out on their "privilege" are usually quite privileged themselves. Guilty white rich liberal.

shookout (shookout), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Sort of a folk-rocky singer/songwriter. I believe Failer was the title of her album and it seemed to get some good reviews and radio play. I think it placed on Pazz & Jop but I could be wrong. Chuck rates it IIRC. I haven't listened to it.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

btw gabbneb is it ok to dislike anyone?

amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 20:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Or scratch that and just get Amy Ray's solo album, Stag.

I think we have that one at the radio station! I'll check it out.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

for some reason, I always thought the Indigo Girls lyric was "the closer I am to God". Don't ask me why. Always thought their schtick was grating and ran screaming in the other direction...

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 17 September 2004 20:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The answer is: Slayer

57 7th (calstars), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Kathleen Edwards is awesome. "Six O'Clock News" is one of my favourite songs of the last year-and-a-half. She supposedly has a new record out soon.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

gabbneb is a woman?!

No, duh. I may have misinterpreted amst - I thought he was saying these people were awful because of how they were fans, rather than awful independent of their fandom.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"What I Am"

I prefer the remix that some Italian DJ did in 1989. Andrew Weatherall must have really liked it too, 'cause he sampled it for "Loaded"!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 17 September 2004 21:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink


gabbneb is a woman?!

No, duh. I may have misinterpreted amst - I thought he was saying these people were awful because of how they were fans, rather than awful independent of their fandom.

-- gabbneb (gabbne...) (webmail), September 17th, 2004 4:37 PM. (gabbneb) (later) (link)

def. the latter

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 22:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ok. sorry to misinterpret and to be an asshole.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 18 September 2004 00:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Can't comment on the whole scope of this thread but Green Day's version of "Closer to Fine" pales.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Saturday, 18 September 2004 00:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Beavis, watching "What I Am": "Hey, she's married to that tiny South African dude who used to be in the Beatles."

Indigo Girls' "Virginia Wolff" has the Worst Lyric Ever: "You weathered the storm of cruel mortality." If that means what I think it's supposed to mean, no, she didn't. She's dead. (By drowning suicide, which makes the line even worse, as my friend Becca once pointed out.)

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 18 September 2004 01:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

morrissey should lick natalie merchant.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 18 September 2004 01:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

gabbneb, you would be gentleman, if you were a man. since you're not, you'll have to settle for being a gentlewoman.

anyway, thanks to the virginia wolff story, i now take back even the most tentative reassessment of the indigo girls i ventured on this thread.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 01:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Hmmm...I don't think I properly conveyed the fact that I in fact actually OWN that first Indigo Girls CD with "Closer To Fine" on it. But I do; and even tho I haven't played it in like five years, I still fondly recall "Closer To Fine" and a couple of others, esp. that one with the "Calling you, calling you/From 10,000 miles away" refrain. (Hey, that's one mile per Maniac!)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Saturday, 18 September 2004 03:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"You weathered the storm of cruel mortality."

maybe they mean she lived through a lot of other people's deaths? like those movies that just keep coming out these days

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 18 September 2004 05:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm not aware of too many things

No shit.


I have to agree that it's the vomitous guitar solo that well and truly kills "What I Am."

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Saturday, 18 September 2004 06:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

On the surface I think this is quite an inspired idea for a thread - good going Custos. I don't actually find the decision between the two to be so easy. I would have to hear both again back to back just to be sure, but the problem is I don't particularly want to hear either of them. So I guess I'll be trapped in purgatory forever between the two. OH well. Worse things have happened.

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 18 September 2004 06:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Or scratch that and just get Amy Ray's solo album, Stag.

Yeah I was surprised how much I liked that record, given my low tolerance for all things Indigo. It's not great or anything, but it's nice and fuck-offish (even though the Joan Jett cameo is kind of a letdown).

Of these two songs, the Edie one has a pretty good groove, which is more than the Indigos ever had.

spittle (spittle), Saturday, 18 September 2004 06:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Nicole Kidman *is* Virginia Wolff . . . in 'Friday the 13th Part XV'!

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 18 September 2004 06:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Jeanne's recommendations are pretty otm. The first five studio albums are all listenable (the sixth has maybe two good songs, and I don't know the 7th and 8th, though I've heard decent tunes from them), but none are great (Rites of Passage stands out as the most consistent). So a comp is probably the way to go or to start. Retrospective seems pretty good, if imperfect. Here's my CD-R:

Strange Fire
Left Me a Fool (Back On The Bus, Y'all version)
Closer to Fine
Kid Fears (Back On The Bus, Y'all version)
Land of Canaan (self-titled version)
Southland in the Springtime
Hammer and a Nail
Hand Me Downs
Watershed
Three Hits
Galileo
Ghost
Chickenman
Cedar Tree
Mystery (1200 Curfews version)
Touch Me Fall
Language or the Kiss

This is 78-79 minutes. The last song I left off was "Secure Yourself"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 18 September 2004 19:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

We've got all the way down here without mentioning Emma Bunton's cover of "What I Am"?

(I have no opinion on either of the originals)

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 18 September 2004 20:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

other honorable mentions - Keeper of My Heart (which might actually be a better choice than Hand Me Downs above), Love Will Come to You, Prince of Darkness, Virginia Woolf, Airplane, This Train Revised, Let It Be Me, Power of Two, World Falls, Fugitive, Welcome Me, Jonas and Exekiel, Least Complicated, Romeo and Juliet, Love's Recovery, Fare Thee Well, The Wood Song

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 18 September 2004 20:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

"Love Will Come To You" is terrific, gabbneb was right. Rites of Passage and the debut are totally classic.

Euler, Thursday, 18 November 2010 01:55 (six years ago) Permalink

I can't hear "Closer To Fine" without thinking of this:
http://www.brunching.com/yourroommate.html

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, September 17, 2004 3:53 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark


oh man, totally didn't expect this link to still work but it does!!! A+ blast from the past

undervalued aerosmith memorabilia I have appraised (bernard snowy), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:07 (six years ago) Permalink

yay brunching shuttlecocks! i still have some tina the troubled teen jpgs saved on my hd

what's up, my cobbers, we're having Smorgy's tonight! (electricsound), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:11 (six years ago) Permalink

I used to hate both these songs and now I like both these songs

aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:16 (six years ago) Permalink

haha, I didn't know anyone who played "Closer To Fine" in the dorms but I can see that; on my hall it was Pearl Jam's "Black".

kinda feeling that Pearl Jam are the male Indigo Girls in some ways (note that I had a really high fever yesterday so my cogency ought to be taken with the usual grain of salt)

Euler, Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:18 (six years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

I keep wondering if we are ever going to have a collective change of heart and all accept that Closer to Fine is a tremendous song.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 05:58 (two years ago) Permalink

closer to fine is great but galileo is better i think

1staethyr, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 07:37 (two years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Was hanging out with some people who were playing the first two Indigo Girls albums all evening, and remembered how "Closer to Fine" was my freshman year of college and was so much a song about education and liberal arts. And sounded so different from anything on radio, being almost entirely just voices and acoustic guitars (+ a little tambourine and pennywhistle).

Anyway, I heard "Closer to Fine" and thought: wow, what a solid song. And heard "Kid Fears" and thought: wait, is this the best R.E.M. song? And remembered riding around in cars listening to that first album with the rest of the otherwise all-women literary-magazine staff.

who even are those other cats (Eazy), Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:36 (one week ago) Permalink

I absolutely love their first album. The third one is great too.

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:36 (one week ago) Permalink

I get how people can find "Closer to Fine" cheesy but are there really people who don't see it as a sterling instance of the kind of song it is?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Great Natalie Merchant:
Trouble Me
Candy Everybody Wants
These Are Days

Ok Natalie Merchant:
Kind & Generous
Carnival

I Hate it Never Want to Hear Again:
Wonder

Open to liking it, haven't found the melody after 25 years:
Photograph w/REM

LimbsKing, Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:42 (one week ago) Permalink

1-2-3 is my Indigo Girls jam btw

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:46 (one week ago) Permalink

I meant the s/t btw not Strange Fire

though that's good too

I ride for them through Rites of Passage. "Virginia Wolff"!

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 13 April 2017 20:42 (one week ago) Permalink

Listening more to s/t, realized that the first songs have few/no drums in a way that keep it from sounding dated.

who even are those other cats (Eazy), Thursday, 13 April 2017 21:24 (one week ago) Permalink


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