Ariel Pink

ac will/have already become the grateful dead of our generation

AP's been a going concern since before today. that was his first album to be annointed by Pitchfork, but his earlier albums were pretty big in the indie set iirc

yeah, 2004 paw tracks release of doldrums is what put him on the map and then the whole group of imitators started popping up around 2010, just in time for him to release BT and get even bigger.

but why him, and why the delayed response?

I thought the whole Chillwave boom was in 2009 right after Merriweather Post Pavillion came out.

why him what? why are musicians inspired by a guy who is an incredible songwriter? delayed response - maybe because it's harder to copy what he did than it seems?

so if ac is the beatles, ap is the velvet underground?

yeah, I guess '09 was the year of washed out, neon indian, carles chillwave article, etc. I don't think it's likely that those things were influenced by MPP that came out just a few months earlier.

AP is the bob dylan of his generation. other chillwave bands are the byrds, sonny & cher, etc. that emerged 3 or 4 years after dylan's debut.

ariel pink is the tiny tim of his generation

i remember in that article he (and lots of others like james murphy) was seeing his influence on a lot of artists
http://www.spin.com/articles/ariel-pink-in-praise-of-guilty-genius/
"Every time I hear her," he says of Grimes, "I hear a little of myself. It's obvious, but it's cool: You can see the potential for something."
i think "obvious" is pushing it a bit on that one...

i think he's calling grimes' music "obvious" in the same sense that his own is - not that she's taking obvious inspiration from him

Pink isn't even a fraction of the singer or performer that Tiny Tim was. he obviously wins on the songwriting front though.

The tiny tim of today is like pomplamoose or something. pains me to say that because I love tiny tim, but in terms of gimmicky performer that got famous doing covers it fits.

yeah, 2004 paw tracks release of doldrums is what put him on the map and then the whole group of imitators started popping up around 2010, just in time for him to release BT and get even bigger.

― wk, Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:45 PM (52 minutes ago)

the first round of obvious ariel pink imitators i remember showed up in 2008 or so, e.g. gary war's new ratheonport. at the same time, american indie garage bands were going nuts for super-shitty fidelity (in the wake of AP and times new viking, coming from very different directions) and massive amounts of reverb (a la oh sees & ty segall). 2009 saw a shift towards hazy/fuzzy nostalgia vibe surfing from folks like real estate and kurt vile.

blank dogs also figure in there somewhere, drew a lot of attention in 2007 w ap-style take on uk post punk

yeah, definitely gary war. garage has always been shitty sounding though. since the original back from the grave bands, through to the mummies, etc. shitty sounding pop music with synths was something kind of new and different though.

I don't know, to me it's all about the songwriting. I think people underestimate that. it's not like pink invented vhs nostalgia or anything.

no doubt, but there was a brief mid-to late 00s fascination with super shitty, teengenerate/early hellacopters-style recordings of indieish music: tnv, blank dogs, eat skull, psychedelic horseshit, the wavves, etc. we can't so soon have forgot those heady shitgaze nights?

i don't see all that as ap-influenced by any means (i'd say blank dogs and gary war were), but with those ap reissues, the lo-fi boom helped clear room for more commercially viable versions of vaguely similar stuff a couple/few years later

"See, I can hear my influence in this music," Pink shouts from the passenger seat, ignoring Emily as Coldplay's "Paradise" comes on the radio. "That over-melodiousness, that whole keyboard bit. That was all me. Seriously. They don't even realize."
^^^ there are bits like that a few places in the interview, made me think the guy is a little paranoid.

boards of canada seems relevant too. I think they were one of the first to popularize the idea of not just generic distorted lo-fi sound, but specifically evoking the sound of a bad classroom filmstrip or stretched out warbling tape. I don't know any of those bands you mentioned except for wavves who to me seem more generally punk rock. to me there's a distinct difference between a making a lo-fi recording because it's the punk rock thing to do and making a lo-fi recording of a type of music that's not typically meant to sound lo-fi.

made me think the guy is a little paranoid.

getting high in the morning will do that to you

after reading that article i thought starting a thread called "artists that ariel pink could think were influenced by him weren't" , or something like that.

Broadcast comes to mind.

"but weren't" damn where is the edit button.

xp yeah, i agree that the boc-like "bad filmstrip" aesthetic isn't present in, say, times new viking and their offsprings. they reach back more to gbv & sebadoh-style 90s lo-fi and decades of shitty garage/punk sonics. but it is there, at least in received and reinterpreted form, in blank dogs and gary war. also present in a less direct way in folks like matt mondanile (real estate/ducktails) jocking old vhs as the referent for an interst in fuzz, hiss, reverb and "hazy" nostalgia.

not sure why i'm arguing for this, tbh, just the way i remember it

gary war, blank dogs, & ducktails are all Post-Pink though. Hey, Post Pink would have been a better genre name than chillwave.

gary war, blank dogs, & ducktails are all Post-Pink

oh yeah shit yeah. was just trying to locate postpink ground zero in 2008/2009. fuzz-splitting.

i remember thinking Before Today got a rave rating on Pitchfork because he had attained this status as an indie demi-god around that time, and Pitchfork wanted to keep up with the times. background being they had shat all over his entire discography years before.

lol, I just revisited some of the earlier parts of this thread and saw that dumb pitchfork doldrums review and googled nick sylvester since he sounded familiar and I thought he used to post here. I guess that idiot got his comeuppance.

are you gonna look after my boys???????

I never realized that the videos for AYGLAMB, kate, and politely declined were all directed by the same guy who did those gi joe psa videos!

what's his name? cos he's probably more influential than AP

haha. eric fensler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fensler_Films

apparently he's a writer for Tim & Eric

Two children are in a kitchen. In fairly unintelligibly slurred speech, the first boy says "You're not cooking.", the second boy responds "Yeah I do". The curtains in front of the stove catch on fire and the boy operating the stove tries to say the word "fire" but only stutters it instead, saying something along the lines of, "ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-baa-baaa-baaah." Blowtorch runs in, shouting "Porkchop Sandwiches!" This line is one of the most frequently quoted by fans, and Fensler has until recently sold T-shirts sporting the phrase. He arrives at the kitchen door and in a panic-ridden voice orders the children: "Oh shit, get the fuck out of here! What are you doing? Go, get the fuck out of here, you stupid idiots! Fuck, we're all dead! Get the fuck out!" His panicked tone of voice contrasts oddly with his calm body language. Outside, he tells them, "My God, did that smell good!" prompting a stream of gibberish from one of the boys. One of the boys says something along the lines of, "Detective, I did no going and then you tell me do things, I done runnin'..." This is met with Blowtorch's staring toward the camera, followed by a closeup of that same stare.[12]

til it was "yeah i do" not "yeah dude"

i'd really like to hear more anecdotal stories about ariel's meth use. ever since i read this thread, and that christopher owens interview where he says "we're on different drugs. i'm a junkie, ariel's up all the time bouncing off the walls," his whole cultivated aura of mystery and weirdness seems a lot less contrived. certainly explains the shit live shows and the sheer volume of his recorded work....i don't know

yep he was amazing 2nite

Two new tracks with Jorge Elbrecht of Lansing-Dreiden fame

http://www.cmj.com/news/listen-ariel-pink-and-jorge-elbrecht-debut-two-new-songs/

If anyone wants the lyrics and credits to these two songs:

http://i.imgur.com/06BhTnP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Vuo0ttQ.jpg

Thanks! "No Real Friend" is my favorite AP song since the lo-fi days.

Tasty drums and keys on these tracks by dudes from the MGMT live band , Will Berman and James Richardson

whoa, awesome concert from sydney in march 2012 just recently uploaded with rough versions of Mature Themes songs, w totally different lyrics and titles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVlziFDWy94&list=SP4h2XGENb6qh52Y1WQDkeJIaN7Po_O1e7

ariel in 2011: "i want to be a talking head"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6LxPVkhe8Y

2013: http://pitchfork.com/news/52176-watch-ariel-pink-guests-on-fox-news-program-red-eye/

hes happy now, thats good:)

unfortunately he only has a few moments on the Fox show

Ariel Pink is in bed and talks about bloody vaginas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjX6hjYSodo

I wish that interview was ten times longer and in the middle the girl turned into an Oompa Loompa

wow what an asshole

http://pitchfork.com/news/56089-ariel-pink-i-got-maced-by-a-feminist/