Bill Cosby defents criticism of Hip Hop...music industry "glorifies the wrong things..."

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Cosby Defends Remarks on Parenting, Blacks

Thu Jul 29, 8:13 AM ET


HILTON HEAD ISLAND, S.C. - Bill Cosby (news) defended his controversial comments on blacks, adding that the music industry is "glorifying the wrong things" as he spoke about parenting and children at a college conference.

Cosby, 67, made headlines in May when he criticized some blacks for their grammar and accused them of squandering opportunities the civil rights movement gave them. Then earlier this month, Cosby said blacks should not blame whites for their problems and urged them to re-examine their own lives.


"I'm going to keep on saying what I've been saying," he said Wednesday, speaking to a group representing 118 historically black colleges and universities nationwide, the National Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education.


On Wednesday, he said the music industry glorifies music that demeans women, praises life in jail and uses profanity.


He said college educators should prepare students to help poor blacks from backgrounds of violence and single-mother households.


Instead of joining the Peace Corps and going to Africa, "go across the street into the projects. These are people who need to see another picture, a brighter picture," he said.


shookout (shookout), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Cosby is on fire.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

And in a coinky-dink that could make the Fates jump up and down and clap their hands, he's got a new series out!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah? Well, Bill Cosby glorfies Jello Pudding.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

"shake it like a jello pudding pop" just doesn't have the same catchiness to it

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

Bill's lovely wife Camille: C/D?

Joseph McCombs, Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ghost Dad glorifies satanism.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

To summarize: Get Up, Get Into It, Get Involved. Solid.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah but it glorifies that branch of satanism that takes care of its kids!

xpost

Huck, Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

"that's it Rudi, mix the baby blood with the lambs blood, now rub it in daddys sunken withered eye sockets. now chant after me, in latin, dominus adoremus, now dye your hair blonde and kill yourself"

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

he has some good points to make (not so far off from what obama had to say at the DNC), it's too bad he insists on the cultural warfare, and on being so pugnacious in general.

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 29 July 2004 17:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

Didn't he actually make a rap record in, like, 1971 or something? In which he literally rhymed in rhythm over some previously released funky instrumental by some band? I think it was called "Old Man" or something; I used to own a scratchy 7-inch 45 of it, and wish I still did.

chuck, Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

I still love Bill Cosby. We've got an unconditional love thang goin' on.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

IRRC "Old Man" is just him telling some shaggy dog story over Stevie's "Uptight," maybe singing the chorus once in a while.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

Didn't Jimi Hendrix also guest on one of his albums?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

Well, not quite.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

This is also what John McWhorter's been saying, although in McWhorter's case I get this odd sense that he feels obligated to make these remarks, after his book Losing the Race made him the preeminent African-American intellectual willing to criticize the "black community." The article I linked to says that McWhorter hasn't bought a rap CD since 50 Cent -- but still, what's a guy like this buying something as supposedly pernicious as 50 Cent in the first place?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

>> "Old Man" is just him telling some shaggy dog story over Stevie's "Uptight," maybe singing the chorus once in a while.

chuck, Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

Fuck the bracket hatas.

Anyway, I was just gonna say that Michael's "Old Man" description still makes it sound astoundingly prescient from a hip-hop perspective. How often did people do ANYTHING like that, in the pre-rap years??

chuck, Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

Fuck the bracket hatas.

Chuck, you'll be amused to know Mr. Miccio parodied your style brilliantly here -- down to the brackets.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

Fuck the bracket hatas.
Anyway, I was just gonna say that Michael's "Old Man" description still makes it sound astoundingly prescient from a hip-hop perspective. How often did people do ANYTHING like that, in the pre-rap years??

-- chuck (cedd...) (webmail), July 29th, 2004 12:33 PM. (later) (link)

"deck of cards"!

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

well, ok, a bit far afield, but...

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

FORGIVEN
for the odd bass twangs which bootstrap the rather ignored Fat Albert theme song, granted Cosby was likely not the orchestror of that inspirational introduction.

Bum Lik-King Fargit (bumlikkingfargit), Thursday, 29 July 2004 18:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

And "Hicky-Burr"...

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

I mean, in general, the whole Cosby Kids cartoon thing in general could easily be argued to have a very proto-(at least old school) hip hop sensibility, too, for whatever that's worth...

chuck, Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

"kids these days, they listen to the rap music which gives them the brain damage...with the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin! - they don't know what the JAZZ!...is all about!!!"

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

I mean, in general, the whole Cosby Kids cartoon thing in general could easily be argued to have a very proto-(at least old school) hip hop sensibility, too, for whatever that's worth...

-- chuck

I totally agree with this. Kids making their own world in a decaying city has become a theme of early hip-hop & that was definitely true of the Cosby Show.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

"kids these days, they listen to the rap music which gives them the brain damage...with the hippin' and the hoppin' and the bippin' and the boppin! - they don't know what the JAZZ!...is all about!!!"
-- weasel diesel!! (kilian(dot)murphy24@mail.dcu.ie) (webmail), July 29th, 2004 1:38 PM. (Kilian) (later) (link)


this reminded me of how awesome bill cosby is.

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

His single "Ben" from the 70's is one of my favorite rap songs.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 July 2004 19:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

Did anyone else ever see that short film he made, I guess, in the '70s at some point? I think he had retired from show biz for a while and did stuff like this? It's this anti-racism thing that consists of him sitting in a chair with his face painted and talking. He runs through the litany of U.S. ethnic groups, talking about why he hates each one of them. My eighth grade teacher showed it to our class.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think that was Ed Norton in The 25th Hour.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

I remember that film. Showing it would probably get a teacher fired (or at least disciplined) these days, by the kind of parents who get upset about the N word in "Huckleberry Finn" or "To Kill a Mockingbird."

shookout (shookout), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

I never got to see that one! We just had to watch the completely horrifying anti-drug flick Dead Is Dead over and over again. Also from the 70's.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

reminds me of how my Health class teacher would get lazy and made us watch afterschool specials on crack & such, made in 1986 or so.

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Thursday, 29 July 2004 20:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

I used to watch after school specials on crack, but then I switched to acid, and they got much more entertaining.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

1986 crack is a great vintage. Esp. that of the South Bronx. Excellent choice, sir.

oops (Oops), Friday, 30 July 2004 03:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ghost Dad glorifies satanism.
-- Ronan (ronan.fitzgerald6NOSPA...), July 29th, 2004

That was the first movie I saw alone in a theater (7 1/2 years old). My mom periodically checked in on me and brought me chocolate chip cookies.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 30 July 2004 08:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think bill cosbys great contribuition is giving marvin van peebles money for sweetbaack, which didnt feature brilliant parenting descions (sp)

anthony, Friday, 30 July 2004 11:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

And without Mother, you get no Jugs & Speed, baby.

briania (briania), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Cos also started Tetragrammaton Records, bringing the mighty Deep Purple to American ears. Not to mention he was the funniest mug on the planet for a long, long time. I guess what I'm saying is that he get a free pass from me if he wants to get all crotchety about the hippin' and the hoppin'.

briania (briania), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

While critizicing profanity is a bit old-fashioned to say the least, Cosby's other points are not at all unimportant.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

That film is from 1971 and called "Bill Cosby on Prejudice." It's on VHS, but it goes for about $200 these days.

OT, I know, but there is an entire series out there called "Classroom Scare Films". I wonder how the crack films compare to the LSD ones we had to watch. "Dead is Dead" - that's not the one where the kid is in his coffin but doesn't realize he's dead, is it?

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

Instead of joining the Peace Corps and going to Africa, "go across the street into the projects.

Hey Cosby, how about taking your message into the projects, instead of speaking at colleges? His whole "black man, help yourself" screed doesn't play out as well when he's telling it to people with degrees.

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dead Is Dead just showed people puking and overdosing and stumbling around on heroin in the ghetto. It was scary. I think at the end they tell you that the guy who narrated the film ended up dying of an overdose. Just in case you didn't get the message.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

But what about Dr. Dre?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

(xpost)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hey, what IS Dr. Dre's degree in, anyway?

briania (briania), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

He said college educators should prepare students to help poor blacks from backgrounds of violence and single-mother households.

Curious. When was the last time that he actually taught a class of kids? And since educators tend to use music lyrics to educate their students these days, hip hop isn't totally useless.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Friday, 30 July 2004 19:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think you may have seen "Dangerous Minds" one too many times.

shookout (shookout), Saturday, 31 July 2004 15:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

I've never seen it, and that's too many times.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 31 July 2004 15:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

God damn Bill Cosby and his faggot twisted mind

J0hn D., Friday, 26 October 2007 21:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

Like you preachers out there
not talking to cosby but it related to the debate so

deej, Friday, 26 October 2007 21:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

not endorsing it pt. by pt. either

deej, Friday, 26 October 2007 21:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

no I know, I love that track and a lot of what km sez on it, I'm just sorta obligated by persona to squawk y'know

J0hn D., Friday, 26 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

john at the risk of getting ultra-flamed by you I don't think it's your place to school a black artist on how to represent himself - hate if you gotta hate, whatever, but when a white writer starts telling a black artist what his community responsibilities are...shit man I can't see you putting up with that from somebody else!

and what, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

some of this stuff transcends/supercedes specific ethnic communities doesn't it...? I mean on some level this is stuff that applies to and affects all Americans, not just black (or white) people.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

(I mean the pants thing is stupid and who cares really - but the endless homophobia/glorification of consumerism/violence/etc those are not ethnicity-specific issues that affect and involve just black people)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

i though baggy pants as a style signifier originated as a way to easily hide guns?

max, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

i thought it was meant to signify that the wearer enjoyed phil collins and showed up late to appointments

and what, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

"for eazy access baby"

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

you been holdin' that one in for over 24 hours huh eth

J0hn D., Friday, 26 October 2007 22:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

"No no, see, when someone says 'who is it', you're supposed to say who it is!"

(knock knock)

"Who is it?"

'WHO IT IS!'

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 17:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

john at the risk of getting ultra-flamed by you I don't think it's your place to school a black artist on how to represent himself - hate if you gotta hate, whatever, but when a white writer starts telling a black artist what his community responsibilities are...shit man I can't see you putting up with that from somebody else!

-- and what, Friday, 26 October 2007 22:24 (1 month ago) Link

You can't really talk about this as though it were just "black artists" and "how they represent themselves." The industry has a good deal of say in how major rappers come across, what they rap about, how they act in videos, etc. So although I don't dismiss mainstream rap on objection to the lyrics, an honest discussion of this has to reflect the larger forces at play, and saying a white writer has no right to criticize the lyrics of a "black artist," is avoiding that difficult issue.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

ethan at the risk of getting ultra-flamed by you I don't think it's your place to school a black artist on how to represent himself - hate if you gotta hate, whatever, but when a white writer starts telling a black artist what his community responsibilities are...shit man I can't see you putting up with that from somebody else!

-- J0hn D., Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:16 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Link

and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

What's The Deal With Saul Williams?

and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, didn't see the first post. Point stands though.

I mean a lot of people in non-mainstream hip-hop, including black artists, blame the music industry for the way black people are portrayed in mainstream hip-hop, feeding to a mostly white audience a hyper-sexual, hyper-violent hyper-capitalist fantasy projected onto black people.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

u really think i would use a word like 'ultra-flamed'

and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

i dont give a fuck john hates on or not i think every head has got the right to tell artists what they wanna see them doing but i got the right to call it racist/corny/played/clueless/whatever

and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

And there is probably a big difference between Saul Williams, who I'd imagine has a great deal of say in how he represents himself, and mainstream hip-hop. I don't mean to say that mainstream rappers are all patsies either. A Jay-Z or a 50-Cent is obviously making a very clear choice, but that choice is based largely on what will make money, and they don't seem to particularly care if that feeds a negative stereotype. It's the system, man!

No, I don't really think you'd say that - sorry dude. Wasn't really trying to call you out as much as just call the whole debate out.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

oh fuck it

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

"mad-rutty" vs. "ultra-flamed"

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

And there is probably a big difference between Saul Williams, who I'd imagine has a great deal of say in how he represents himself

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and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

During the first Lollapalooza tour, Jane's Addiction brings out Ice-T to perform a rendition of Sly & the Family Stone's "Don't Call Me Nigger, Whitey (Don't Call Me Whitey, Nigger)". Perry Farrell sings the white part, Ice-T sings the Black part. Black quartet Living Colour comes onstage afterward and bandleader Vernon Reid announces "I'll never be anyone's nigger for entertainment..."

and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

I really hate being called whitey

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 20:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

I really hate Achewood

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 21:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

I love that story about Vernon Reid.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 21:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

Living Colour was my first show.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 21:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

i was never into living colour but that story is whats up

and what, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 21:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Living Colour was my first show.

ha same. Trent woulda been at that Lolla show, so it all comes full circle.

bnw, Tuesday, 25 December 2007 22:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Well then.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 31 January 2008 16:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

omg the last sentence

HI DERE, Thursday, 31 January 2008 16:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

laz112 said:
I actually have this old album with Cosby and Quincy Jones. Cosby been rapping since before rap started yo. There is this one track called "Hicky Burr" he tore that shit down yo. I think it was released in 1974 or something.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 31 January 2008 16:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Got a Cosby sweater
Rep it cuz it's better
Follow to the letter.
Yo.

novaheat, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

Fingers crossed for a Jello reference

remy bean, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

"They think they're hip. They can't read. They can't write. They're laughing and giggling, and they're going nowhere."

remy bean, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

with the laughing and the giggling and the jibber-jabber night-train going to nowhere

remy bean, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

He's against laughter now?

dad a, Thursday, 31 January 2008 20:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

The beef is on (maybe).

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

okay at this point everyone involved just needs to stop

HI DERE, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Dyson is that dude, but I don't look forward to his mic moment.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

i saw michael eric dyson speak at my school a couple weeks ago, hes a supremely intelligent and dynamic guy and because i have a lot of respect for him i am just going to pretend that this doesnt exist

max, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

i took a class from that guy! the day michael jordan retired (the first time) prof dyson wore a bulls jersey under his tweed jacket

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

Can we put together a rap album titled SHUT THE FUCK UP, BOTH OF YOU?

HI DERE, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

c'mon dan you don't want to hear cosby doing a bjork cover?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

Only if it's "Ancestors" (or whatever the Gremlin-fucking song on Medulla is called).

HI DERE, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UfIBAWAneoo

mark e, Friday, 25 April 2008 16:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

omg flashbacks

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 25 April 2008 19:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 25 April 2008 19:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oof they've played this a bunch on KPFA recently.

Sparkle Motion, Saturday, 26 April 2008 06:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

^^^ Sooooo 1998.

Bodrick III, Saturday, 26 April 2008 16:30 (6 years ago) Permalink


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