My winner in this category goes to Tribe Called Quest. Without a doubt, the hip-hop group I would like to like more than any other due to their general positivity, jazz samples, and low-key style, but when I listen to them I'm convinced that the concept of Tribe is much better than the reality of Tribe. Sadly, I find that their records are somewhat bland and forgettable, as opposed to, say Pharcyde, which I sort of see as their slightly more mischievous West Coast parallel.
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― Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:26 (8 years ago) Permalink
Really? Captain Beefheart?
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― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:32 (8 years ago) Permalink
Um, yep...I give my copy of Trout Mask a spin every now and again...I really like some of it (Frownland esp.) but I've just never been able to totally dig it (not that I dislike it, but like the thread says I like the IDEA of Beefheart more than Beefheart usually...and I do like lots of Skin Graft/US Mapley type stuff too so it's not really the skronk that throws me)....
I have never heard The Faint....they are like a new punk/gothy type thing, right?
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:33 (8 years ago) Permalink
beefheart, I could see that, I love him, but lately when I play those records, not getting as much out of them as I used to
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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:51 (8 years ago) Permalink
it was only time before someone said this. so, care to explain your reasoning?
― King Kobra (King Kobra), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:56 (8 years ago) Permalink
"Yeah, IN THEORY I like listening to the musical recordings of ever made by human beings in the history of all time"
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:00 (8 years ago) Permalink
well, at the time anyway.
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― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:14 (8 years ago) Permalink
that was a cover, right? I have a hard time believing George Harrison would write about how it's gonna take a lot of money to do something, because money is a transitory, relatively valueless commodity. Om...
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:15 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:18 (8 years ago) Permalink
i'm not a big Beatles fan or anything...but C'MON!
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:19 (8 years ago) Permalink
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― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:23 (8 years ago) Permalink
(Although I like him on that one apocalypse track at the end of Mr. Lif's album.)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:24 (8 years ago) Permalink
I can't say I agree with Dog Latin though.
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― de, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:26 (8 years ago) Permalink
I feel weird posting that since (a) a certain Medicine-man reads this board, plus (b) obviously you know what you mean by "warm" and like Medicine better, which is fair and happy hallelujah. The only thing that kept me from every really loving the hell out of any whole Medicine album (and I got close with Shot Forth Self Living) was that there were always points where things lost their way a little bit, and wound up descending into an uncomfortable murk that I think was meant to be dubby but never quite got me, personally, feeling it. Also I liked it better when Brad sang (high female vox took the thin-treble quotient to almost uncomfortable levels!) and he didn't do it all so often.
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-- Vestigial Appendages, Esq. (doctorduc...), April 22nd, 2005.
escape from noise is pretty listenable...
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For the most part Cheap Trick. Although they have some really great moments that would make a very good 60 minute compilation, even their best albums are littered with filler and mediocrity. Yet, I am compelled to think of them as being better than they usually deliver, because of their sense of melody, aesthetics, and esp. their sense of humor.
― Richard Wood Johnson, Monday, 13 August 2007 15:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
animal collective.
― CharlieNo4, Monday, 13 August 2007 16:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
The Wilburys. I mean, they were great. But not as great as one might expect from such a league of stars.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 13 August 2007 19:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
marissa marchant
― gershy, Monday, 13 August 2007 19:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
Experimental Audio Research; never actually liked any of their music at all.
― mehlt, Monday, 13 August 2007 20:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
Animal Collective Bowie Deerhoof
I have an amazingly high number of listens recorded on my last.fm for these groups/artists. I'm drawn to their music, yet don't actually enjoy listening to it.
I'll bet there're a hundred more..
― bassace, Monday, 13 August 2007 23:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
The guys that said GWAR a couple years ago were totally on.
And Manowar is the inverse, they are better in reality than they are in theory. They come across as ridiculous, but their stuff's pretty good.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
lightning bolt
-- 6335, Thursday, 24 June 2004 04:50 (3 years ago) Bookmark Link
I came here to post just this. Also, Comets On Fire.
― Just got offed, Tuesday, 14 August 2007 21:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
DJ Spooky thirded. Also Third Eye Foundation.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 10:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
every band ever
― blueski, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 10:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
Bloc Party
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 10:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
Animal Collective would be great if their records weren't hideously produced.
― Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 10:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
Naked City. On paper they were going to become one of my teenage self's favourite bands but they're only half great, most of their covers are terrible, they're too slick and you can tell they're reading the sheet music esp. on the slower tracks. Needed more drama, more Spillane style atmosphere and some Mike Patton crooning.
― ogmor, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 13:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
Television. Great sound of guitar and voice but especially the album "Marquee Moon" somehow seems dull to me. Too repetitive, not enough variation, too long.
― alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 14:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yea I think that album is very stale, very boring. But I read about them and they sound great in print.
― Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 14:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
i burned out on marquee moon a few years back but listening to those eno demos and especially the live stuff kinda revived it for me. also, people pay too much attention to the guitars and not enough to the bass/drums - that's one killer rhythm section!
― pretzel walrus, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 14:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
I was wrong about most of the ones I listed except Zappa. Although I'm not sure the theory's so great there.
― Sundar, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 17:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
Naked City OTM. Teenage me really tried with them too. "Too slick" sums it up, pretty much.
Funkadelic... sometimes.
― Alan N, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 18:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
It's funny how many of the groups listed here are this way for me, and how hard it is to admit. Yes, Naked City is definitely one of them. Fuck it - Lightning Bolt, too!
The entire genre of ambient drum'n'bass. How come nobody got this right?
OTM.
A few others: Jeru the Damaja, Suicidal Tendencies, Queen, Bob Dylan (not trolling, not saying he isn't good, just never been able to get into him at all), Red Hot Chili Peppers - wait scratch that I don't like them in theory either.
A few groups getting a lot of hype here recently that I really want to like more than I do: Watain, Deathspell Omega, Jesu, and Battles.
― rockapads, Thursday, 16 August 2007 03:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
TV On the Radio (I still think they might live up to that theory, though...they're getting closer)
― Tape Store, Thursday, 16 August 2007 03:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
this thread is another great read.
i live in Los Angeles and three bands that are worshiped here but don't like are the Red Hot Chili Peppers, No Doubt and fucking Sublime.
don't even like those bands in theory so back to the ilm universe, will have to go with Animal Collective. i have tried and tried and tried, i just don't get it.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 16 August 2007 03:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
What do you dislike about AC? Is it the melodies or the way they present those melodies?
― Tape Store, Thursday, 16 August 2007 03:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
Negativland OTM x 1000
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 16 August 2007 03:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
I really liked Feels, and kinda liked Sung Tongs, but the rest of their discography falls under this category for me. Just didn't live up to my expectations. I also tried to get into Black Dice, and failed.
Yeah - another vote for Negativland OTM
― rockapads, Thursday, 16 August 2007 03:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
i agree w/ blueski, "every band ever"
but i agree with Bee OK too -- sublime is especially worthless...
and john cage is a good example of this too. his concepts were incredible but i almost feel like his music suffered from his open mindedness
― bstep, Thursday, 16 August 2007 05:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
ratatat.
― Jordan Sargent, Thursday, 16 August 2007 06:38 (5 years ago) Permalink
-- Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 10:22 (Yesterday) Link
This one confuses me as all of their albums seem to have radically different production style.
I can see saying Animal Collective though. I love their use of technology, the tribalism, the mystery, the fact that for the longest time you couldn't make out what they were saying, the unconventional melodies, their approach of the halfway point between noise and music. But I wish they didn't have to be so cutesy or cloying about it sometimes. I think they occasionally suffer from that indie rock "childhood wondermint" fixation that I hate to much.
― filthy dylan, Thursday, 16 August 2007 08:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
I like Naked City all right, though it's nowhere near my favourite Zorn project. I'm not sure they'd be better if they were more brutal or 'rougher.' I think the aesthetic is more one of cartoonish mania (rather than brutal chaos or something) and the 'slickness' (to the extent that I can see it) works with this. The production is a little dated though, if that's all you guys are referring to.
I really disagree about Cage but I generally like him more for his relatively 'conventionally' written pieces than for the most extreme conceptual chance music. (In some of those cases, I'm not really sure the concepts are as interesting as some people make them out to be.)
― Sundar, Thursday, 16 August 2007 13:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
Manic Street Preachers
― henry s, Thursday, 16 August 2007 13:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
x-post
The slickness about Naked City that gets me is on tracks like Inside Straight which is all one eyebrow cocked sleepy arsehole lounge and completely at odds with all the intensity of the cartoon stuff like "Thrash Jazz Assassin", "Kaoru", "Punk China Doll" with the F-Zero X guitar and Taz in Tazmania vocals. I like Grand Guignol much more than the others I've heard.
― ogmor, Thursday, 16 August 2007 16:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
The contrast is what makes it work for me! Like a WB character whistling and sauntering just before getting pounced or having an anvil fall on his or her head.
― Sundar, Thursday, 16 August 2007 16:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
The contrast works within tracks where it rampages through styles at pace, but esp on the first album there are whole tracks of this languid politeness that are awful. What made me think of Mike Patton upthread was that tracks like Sweet Charity from California are an invigorated take on a sound similar to some of the terrible Naked City tracks where it feels really by-numbers.
― ogmor, Thursday, 16 August 2007 17:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
sundar -- could you recommend some good 'conventional' cage? thanks
― bstep, Thursday, 16 August 2007 19:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
Stars
― daavid, Thursday, 16 August 2007 19:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
Band of Susans may be the ultimate example of this for me. By all rights, I should like them: 80s noise/drone guitar rock with a post-minimal pedigree (Chatham proteges no less), pop hooks in the classic Amerindie style. Somehow, nothing seems to come together right on the records, though: The cheesy 80s production with giant gated drums might work if this were spare new wave/postpunk but it seems to work so strongly against what they were going for. The rhythm section is plodding and uninspired, just a constant predictable backbeat. I find Poss's voice completely unappealing. The guitars drone but never quite seem to deliver much in terms of rich textures or innovative sounds. They never seem to really nail a pop hook like REM or Husker Du or, say, the Mary Chain or MBV could. ("Hard Light" comes closest.)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 05:18 (8 months ago) Permalink
sund4r -- could you recommend some good 'conventional' cage? thanks
I never answered this! I don't know if this person is still reading this board but:In a LandscapeDreamSonatas and Interludes for Prepared Piano
are a good place to start.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 05:21 (8 months ago) Permalink
their general positivity, jazz samples, and low-key style
― centibutt hz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 05:24 (8 months ago) Permalink
OK, so this artist, right. He's like a mix of Run-D.M.C. and Johnny Cash........................
― centibutt hz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 05:28 (8 months ago) Permalink
Ha, I actually mentioned Band of Susans earlier on this thread.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 05:40 (8 months ago) Permalink
Peel Sessions is the best recorded thing that's out there for them IIRC.
― everything, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 06:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
Also, The Seasons.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 18:47 (8 months ago) Permalink