At what point did Jimmy Page realize his band was now on a downward arc?

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My answer: about the time PG was finished and the movie was about to come out: 1975

The Devil's Triad (calstars), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

More bands should have downward arcs like In Through the Out Door.

"Hi there! We're about to unfortunately break up due to an unexpected case of death, but please enjoy some calypso and motorik and weird-ass rockabilly and about eight million other things. Oh yeah, a few of those big-ass stomping numbers you guys seem to like as well."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that album is from like BIZARRO-WORLD

The Devil's Triad (calstars), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Given the earlier thread on Page/Hendrix today, a big THUMBS UP! for the solo on "Fool in the Rain."

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Tim OTM.
Also about 'Fool in the Rain' - someone here mentioned a month or so ago how similar the riff is to 'Hot Fun in the Summertime.'

The Devil's Triad (calstars), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I love Fool in the Rain. Awesome. I almost think I like Led Zepplin. But Im still hesitant.

David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 02:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i thought this thread was going to be about the firm.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 02:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

25th September 1980.

regards,

REB

Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 05:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that album is from like BIZARRO-WORLD

i'd always heard that in through the out door was mostly just plant and jones as they were the only one's who would show up at the studio. on the rare occasion that bonham and page would show up they were usually under the influence. that would explain the preponderance of synths on the record.

as for when page realized his band was on a downward arc i would wager he noticed some time around 1988, roughly a decade after the rest of the world.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i echo the comments about ITTOD's greatness.

Also, Presence is a great album as well imo....true "grunge"....captures the "drug sick dread" (as I saw LZ described once in Rolling Stone I think which i thought was a nice phrase for them).....I play it alongside Black Sabbath Vol 4 for super cocaine blues....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:17 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I didn't really think I'd ever get into Led Zeppelin until I heard "Candleabra". Then I bought every Zep CD I could get my hands on. The friend who played it to me said it reminded him of surfing. I can totally see why.

Bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Whoops - that's Carouselambra? It's been too long, obv.

Bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Carouselambra is great

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I agree, In through the out door is great... Presence is also terrific. Did Led Zeppelin have a downward arc?

Keith Watson (kmw), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Live Aid, maybe.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

REB OTM U R ALL GHEY

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Haha

Live Aid? Not convinced. Obviously that's when Status Quo started going downhill...

Keith Watson (kmw), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Another vote for Live Aid. LZ had already rehearsed with Tony Thompson, only somehow Phil Collins barged in (probably because of the Plant connection) and thoroughly fucked things up.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 00:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

could the guitarist for the Firm ever notice a downward arc in Led Zep? I doubt it.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 00:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Jayzus. I didnt know that Phil Collins tried to stand (or sit) in for Bonham. I really wish I hadnt read that.

A few years back Jimmy Page played live on an Australian TV show and literally had drool pouring from his pout. Heartbreaker.

The Velvet Overlord (The Velvet Overlord), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 01:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

To be honest, the reunion at the Atlantic Records anniversary wasn't much better than Live Aid.

Page was wracked with drugs in the last few years of the band, but JP Jones definitely picked it up and made their last album work quite well. Presence would be the best album for many rock bands working in 1975, that it isn't Led Zeppelins finest record doesn't mean it is bad.

Page and Plant's career after Zep kind of prove that the band was more than the sum of its parts. I do give Plant some credit for really attempting to try something different, it mostly isn't that great, but he did make the effort.

I am not so sure that the glue to that band was John Paul Jones, he probably has been involved in the most interesting music after the band. His solo record 'Zooma' is quite good, the record with Galas is pretty good, he did string arrangements on REM's "Drive" and produced the Butthole Surfers. When Page and Plant finally got back together to revisit the old days, they didn't invite Jones to the party and yet went ahead named the album "No Quarter" after one of his feature tunes. Everyone should have such friends.

earlnash, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 01:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

twelve years pass...

https://youtu.be/HEzSDK747yc

Cool interview with the dude.

calstars, Friday, 31 March 2017 23:08 (one month ago) Permalink

Jeff Koons fucking sucks as an interviewer

calstars, Friday, 31 March 2017 23:08 (one month ago) Permalink

He reveals in this interview that All the guitar tracks on "Achilles Last Stand" were laid down in one night. That's some magnificent coke right there.

calstars, Friday, 31 March 2017 23:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Which he euphemises as the "focus and work ethic" in those days. No shit

calstars, Friday, 31 March 2017 23:13 (one month ago) Permalink

He also sounds kind of desperate to get laid. Could it be? He says "eligible bachelor" and "I'm still a young man."

calstars, Saturday, 1 April 2017 00:42 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I wonder if you're that level of famous can you just walk into a bar and have your choice? I doubt it

calstars, Saturday, 1 April 2017 00:43 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I'd say they probably realised they were on a downhill arc circa Knebworth when they were being described as dinosaurs.

The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Saturday, 1 April 2017 00:48 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Jimmy's death is going to hit me really hard

calstars, Saturday, 1 April 2017 00:51 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Was listening to Coda yesterday and was again reminded how I wish they'd swapped in "Wearing and Tearing" for "I'm Gonna Crawl" on ITTOD.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 1 April 2017 02:23 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Page's "lady friend" as if a couple of years ago is an attractive redhead in her mid-'20s. I think he's probably doing OK.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 1 April 2017 02:37 (four weeks ago) Permalink

*as of

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 1 April 2017 02:37 (four weeks ago) Permalink

There's obv some good stuff on both Presence and Door, but the downward arc began after Physical Graffiti. That was their last top-to-bottom classic IMO.

LimbsKing, Saturday, 1 April 2017 05:41 (four weeks ago) Permalink

what a miserable interview. "i learned how to feel through listening to jimmy's music." goes a long way in explaining the utter poverty of jeff koons's artistic output.

budo jeru, Saturday, 1 April 2017 07:43 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Couldn't agree more. It's not often that I feel embarrassed for a celebrity but I did here

calstars, Saturday, 1 April 2017 13:49 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I'd say you could look at their 1977 tour as when Led Zep probably started to come unwound. All that went down in Oakland with Bill Graham's people was pretty dark and outlined in detail in Graham's autobiography. The day after that incident, Robert Plant's son died and they never played live in the US again.

earlnash, Saturday, 1 April 2017 14:54 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I think this quote from Page sums it up: "I only got into heroin because I thought it could make me more creative. That was a big mistake."

(from Barney Hoskyns' oral history book)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:06 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Lol

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 April 2017 15:12 (four weeks ago) Permalink

what went down in Oakland in 1977?

flappy bird, Saturday, 1 April 2017 18:27 (four weeks ago) Permalink

from wiki

The tour also experienced some unsavory backstage problems, exacerbated by the hiring of London gangster John Bindon as Led Zeppelin's security coordinator. After a 23 July show at the "Day on the Green" festival at Oakland–Alameda County Coliseum in Oakland, California, Bindon, band manager Peter Grant, tour manager Richard Cole, and band member John Bonham were arrested after a member of promoter Bill Graham's staff was beaten after the performance. Graham's security man Jim Matzorkis had assaulted Peter Grant's 11-year-old son Warren for allegedly taking a dressing room sign. This was seen by Bonham, who then walked over and kicked the man. Later, when Grant heard about this, he went into the trailer, along with Bindon and assaulted the man with tour manager Richard Cole guarding the door. Bindon had stated he was provoked by members of Graham's crew prior to the incident.

Led Zeppelin's second Oakland show took place only after Bill Graham signed a letter of indemnification absolving Led Zeppelin from responsibility for the previous night's incident. However, Graham refused to honour the letter and assault charges were laid against Grant, Cole, Bindon, and Bonham when the band arrived back at their hotel. The four received bail, whereupon a suit was filed against them by Graham for $2 million. All four pleaded nolo contendere, receiving suspended sentences and fines.

The following day's second Oakland concert would prove to be the band's final live appearance in the United States.

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 1 April 2017 18:56 (four weeks ago) Permalink

After the performance, news came that Plant's five-year-old son, Karac, had died from a stomach virus.

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 1 April 2017 18:57 (four weeks ago) Permalink

First - Graham's account of the incident documented in his book - doesn't seem to be avail to steal in epub format 😣

calstars, Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:48 (four weeks ago) Permalink

2nd - having a son die is enough to rethink your entire life and all the choices you've made. Much love and prayers to RP

calstars, Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:50 (four weeks ago) Permalink

the way he found out about his son's death was particularly devastating. two calls, hours apart, with drastically different messages

Neanderthal, Sunday, 2 April 2017 03:24 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Don't have the book in front of me so if I remember right, but basically the guy was stopping the kid from taking down a sign, Bonzo and the LZ security dudes pulled the guy to a trailer, tied him up and then beat him up bad. Then someone else from Bill Graham went to this trailer to see what was going on, got pulled inside and himself got beat up. If I remember right, the first guy had a bunch of front teeth knocked out, so this was a pretty serious assault and even Peter Grant was in on the beatings (i think).

earlnash, Sunday, 2 April 2017 03:37 (four weeks ago) Permalink

The wheels certainly came off quite spectacularly didn't they? Like, from the beginning of the band up until the first half of 1975, this band had such an incredible run of luck. Then there's basically this stretch of time from Plant's car crash up to Bonham's death where the band certainly weren't so lucky.

The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Sunday, 2 April 2017 17:37 (four weeks ago) Permalink

The end of the '77 tour is so horrible, and Plant...jesus to lose a child while yr on a tour where the guitarist is continually "sick", where there's all this dark, weird energy going on, like last 20 minutes of "Goodfellas"...The Hoskyns oral history covers it a lot, like how no one from Zep came to the funeral, Plant had fully retired from the band and Bonzo had to talk him back.

I've often wondered if part of Plant's hesitancy to go full on reunion has something to do with the '77 flame out.

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 3 April 2017 14:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

like how no one from Zep came to the funeral

Bonham did, didn't he?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 3 April 2017 14:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yea he was the only one, JPJ and Page didn't.

Neanderthal, Monday, 3 April 2017 14:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

where there's all this dark, weird energy going on

Yeah, totally. There was definitely a weird energy going on. A Presence, you could say.

The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 14:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

now does Van Halen play RIFFS, it's important you fully disclose here.

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The obvious answer: when he heard VAN HALEN and VAN HALEN II. Cuz "Eruption" and "Spanish Fly" showed Jimmy that there was a new hombre in town with sicker tone and massiver riffs

eh i mean if you have evidence he's talked about this i'll defer but my impression has always been that they were viewing this time period from a British point of view and that they were more concerned with punk/new wave consigning them to the dinosaur bin

also like I dunno Page was more an artist than just oh wow Led Zeppelin is the heaviest in the world, they experimented with so many different styles, like why would he feel that way about Eddie Van Halen when like there were already bands prior to that that could easily outshred Led Zeppelin and were more mettalic...like Blackmore can shred circles around Page...I feel like Led Zep felt they were above heavy metal artistically

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah I mean even Houses of the Holy was probably one of their least heavy albums, it's not like Zep heard Van Halen I after Zep I-II came out

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

CITE!

Cooper, Alice, and David Lee Roth. "An All-American Band: Or, How Van Halen (Double-hand) Tapped into American Mythology and Iconography for Success."

Danaher, Bill. "The Making of a Cultural Icon: The Electric Guitar." Music and Arts in Action 4.2 (2014): 74-93.

Goertzel, Ben. "The Rock Guitar Solo: From Expression to Simulation." Popular Music & Society 15.1 (1991): 91-101.

Slaven, James E., and Jody L. Krout. "Musicological analysis of guitar solos from the roots of rock through modern heavy metal." Metal Music Studies 2.2 (2016): 245-251.

pavane to the darryl of strawberry (bendy), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Richards, Keith. "Dr. Shakyhands or: How I Learned to Stop Noodling and Love the Riff." Journal of Comparative Metaphysics (Yale, 1971): 245-246.

budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

This photo where the band seem to know the end is nigh:

dinnerboat, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"We think we're new wave...kinda?"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

sort of agree with post about worries that punk was turning zeppelin into dinosaurs. i think their turn (after "houses") from more or less guitar-driven music into "sophisticated" music was more or less of a necessary diversion (let's experiment, let's talk about our feelings) that kind of failed, or was at least deemed a path not worth pursuing further.

page:

"We both felt [Page and Bonham] that In Through the Out Door was a little soft. I was not really very keen on "All My Love". I was a little worried about the chorus. I could just imagine people doing the wave and all of that. And I thought, 'That is not us. That is not us.' In its place it was fine, but I would not have wanted to pursue that direction in the future."

a different direction was pursued, of course, and i think that the recordings from "coda" show that page, if nobody else, seriously thought that led zeppelin had relevance in the punk era, and could maybe even beat them at their own game (forget which song specifically was kind of like a faux-punk "fuck you, we invented this" kind of thing)

budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Wearing and Tearing

calstars, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

didn't Lester Bangs say "Communication Breakdown" invented punk or something similar

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

(forget which song specifically was kind of like a faux-punk "fuck you, we invented this" kind of thing)

"Wearing and Tearing," I believe. Just listened to it yesterday. It's a decent enough song, and would've sounded out of place on ITTOD, but it's no "Communication Breakdown" (or, for that matter, "Complete Control").

ha xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xpost he also said "“All humans are the same sex, except albinos.”

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Chuck E pointed out "Communication Breakdown" and "God Save The Queen" had similar riffs, except the Pistols had to slow it down.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"How Led Zeppelin’s “Communication Breakdown” sparked The Ramones’ American Punk Rock revolution"

https://dontforgetthesongs365.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/how-led-zeppelins-communication-breakdown-sparked-the-ramones-american-punk-rock-revolution/

Mickey Leigh of The Rattlers was the one who not only introduced Johnny to Led Zeppelin as he explained in his book, I Slept with Joey Ramone: A Family Memoir, when he recalled this famous exchange with the future guitarist of The Ramones when he wrote, “One day, I started playing Led Zeppelin’s “Communication Breakdown,” and John was really impressed.
“Wow, you know about down strokes, huh?” John said.
“Whaddaya mean, down strokes?” I answered.
“Ya known, how you’re picking everything downward” John said, motioning.
“I’m just trying to play how it sounds.” I explained.
“Yeah, well that’s really important,” John told me. “Most people don’t realize that. That’s how rock & roll should be played. All of it! Everything should be a down stroke.” In retrospect, I believe Johnny had begun formulating the concept for the Ramones sound even back then.”

budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i just looked at van halen i had been out for about half a year before they started the sessions for in through the out door, which is certainly a weird reaction album to make if you were indeed scared of the new hotshots on the block, plus i'd imagine page was so smacked out anyway

by time van halen ii comes out in 79 the band barely exists at that point, and bonham is dead in 80

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Wasn't In Through the Out Door recorded at ABBA's studio? Rock'n'fuckin' roll!

Although, to be fair, John Bonham had begun to resemble Benny Andersson by 1980.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

also here is rat scabies from the damned:

"I really didn’t like any of the songs that were long, but they had really cool short-riff rock songs that motored with a pretty good energy. In 1975, we might even admit that "Communication Breakdown" had punk energy."

that said, had mr. scabies read the essay, linked upthread, by margaret moos pick (co-founder of "prairie home companion" and author of zero books on music) that so perceptively articulates that "a riff is a short melody—just a few notes—repeated over and over in a rhythmic manner"? probably not.

i'm beginning to think that this whole "rock N roll" thing was more about using your own ears, forming your own opinions, and creating what feels right in the moment, rather than citing sources, though i could be wrong.

and yeah, there's no way jimmy page was listening to van halen and, sweat forming on his forehead, being like "oh wow i really need to get my act together, step up my game what"

budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

One great thing about a mullet is that less sweat forms on your forehead

pavane to the darryl of strawberry (bendy), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'm picturing Jimmy Page turning up to a Van Halen show and begging them to let him onstage, like Eddie did to Nirvana

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

and like Bonham did to Deep Purple, except Bonham went onstage anyway!

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

and like Bonham did to Deep Purple, except Bonham went onstage anyway!

haha waht I haven't heard this story

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

no idea if that worked, here's page and eddie being buds:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0d/8d/a8/0d8da865fa1f3fc69886ee3aa1601dd6.jpg

budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

lol at "she's doesn't get rock and roll, she's written ZERO books, man"

intheblanks, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

x-post to Shakey:

Bonham turned up drunk to a Deep Purple concert during the Tommy Bolin years, and ran onstage, grabbed a free mic, informed the audience that there was a new Zeppelin album coming out which was "fuckin' great" and then said something like "and Tommy Bolin can't play for shit!"

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 17:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

and like Bonham did to Deep Purple, except Bonham went onstage anyway!

Good luck stopping him.

Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 17:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ol' Dirty Bonzo

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 17:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

There's a similar story about when Zep (minus JPJ) saw The Damned. The band had blasted through a 20-minute set, and bad just left the stage when Bonham jumps up, grabs a mic and demands they come back. "We play for four fucking hours! If the Mouse [sic] Scabies doesn't want to, I'll play drums!"

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 17:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

that story rules

budo jeru, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 18:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Damned Damned Damned always kinda reminded me of the heavier tracks on Zep I,just the way the riffs were double or triple tracked (at least to my ears)

Wet Pelican would provide the soundtrack (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 18:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Riff, you say.

Bill Teeters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 18:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Wet Pelican would provide the soundtrack (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 18:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Dudes, don't worry too much about Page getting overshadowed by Eddie. He got out on the frontier again a few years later when he started The Firm, thus providing the blueprint for shitty post-DLR Van Halen albums.

pavane to the darryl of strawberry (bendy), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 18:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

radioactive is a great jawn

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 19:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Dudes, don't worry too much about Page getting overshadowed by Eddie. He got out on the frontier again a few years later when he started The Firm, thus providing the blueprint for shitty post-DLR Van Halen albums.

Pretty sure that pic upthread of them both post dates both these travesties.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 23:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ultimately i wonder if the answer to the thread's title question isn't the year that very photo was taken, 1993

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 00:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The year that The Complete Studio Recordings was released? Maybe.

Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 02:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Correct answer: never because every Zep record rules

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 03:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

hell yeah

flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 03:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xpost exactly. thread over.

now back to riffs vs. licks

budo jeru, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 04:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

hell. yes.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 04:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

If you need a date-based answer, Ecomium was released in 1995.

Vernon Locke, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 05:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I am not so sure that the glue to that band was John Paul Jones, he probably has been involved in the most interesting music after the band. His solo record 'Zooma' is quite good, the record with Galas is pretty good, he did string arrangements on REM's "Drive" and produced the Butthole Surfers.

Was reading an interview w/Paul Leary the other day where he said JPJ was a horrible drunk during the Wormhole sessions, wonder if that might be why Jimmy and Plant didn't invite him on No Quarter?

Len's flares (stevie), Thursday, 20 April 2017 14:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Weird, I remember jpj claiming the opposite - that Gibby was too drunk to perform the vocal on "Alcohol" ("so that was kind of poetic")

Wet Pelican would provide the soundtrack (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:53 (one week ago) Permalink

hahaha well I for one have a hard time believing Gibby Haynes of the popular straight edge band Butthole Surfers was wasted in the mid 90s, likely story JPJ

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 April 2017 18:59 (one week ago) Permalink

obvs any butthole is an unreliable narrator, but the way leary phrased it this was by jpj's own admission, tho also not hard to believe plant/page assholically snubbing the man who made ittod listenable for no quarter

Len's flares (stevie), Thursday, 20 April 2017 19:02 (one week ago) Permalink

Thought that stood for In Their Time of Dying at first.

how's life, Thursday, 20 April 2017 19:03 (one week ago) Permalink

Gibby:

When the “Independent Worm Saloon LP” was released in 1993 after Nirvana broke, it was produced by John Paul Jones, how did that work for you guys?

Oh, yeah, he was like a horrible drunk when we were doing that record, but we were loaded too. We spent so much money on that record! We basically spent a fortune to hang out with some guy from Led Zeppelin!

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 20 April 2017 19:12 (one week ago) Permalink

That reminds me of some anecdote I read a long time ago about a band in the late '90s that approached JPJ to do some orchestral arrangements, and he quoted them a fee that was "...equivalent to the combined budgets for the first couple Zep albums..." and the band balked. This was funny because this was a pretty huge band* and probably could have easily afforded it.

*Whom I don't remember...I wanna saw it was the Chili Peps, but didn't Jones work them earlier?

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 20 April 2017 19:21 (one week ago) Permalink


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