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shut the fuck up. junior boys fuckin suck. this shit sounds so cheesy.

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cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese. sounds so lame.

― shuttin shit down, Sunday, 20 June 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

if only they'd done a split 7" with wolf eyes, brah! they could have LEARNED something!

― no1z3 d00d (sgthomas), Sunday, 20 June 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

sucks for you

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 20 June 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmm, our anonymous friend has this to say on another thread:

ive only been into electronic for about a year. here are some of the best of what ive found:
BOC - geogaddi
worlds end girlfriend - farewell kingdom
wonderland falling yesterday - enchanted landscape escape
mum - yesterday was dramatic today is ok (all of their other albums are shit)
m-83 - self-titled first album


-- smithers4

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 20 June 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

nice work

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 20 June 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Múm. Húm.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Sunday, 20 June 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I consider this a frivolous abuse of IP checking privileges, but I don't care.

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 20 June 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't particularly like Junior Boys - their remixed versions of songs (Manitoba, especially Fennesz) float more in my direction. I think they may have something to offer in the future, but the hype that has gone about around here has overstated the game somewhat for me.

― ___ (___), Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never heard Junior Boys, so I have no opinion whatsoever.

However, I am tired of seeing that thread titled, 'Why isn't everybody going totally bonkers over the Junior Boys?' or whatever it's called. That thread has been around for like six months.

― Debito (Debito), Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

that thread got a shoutout on pitchfork. is that a first??

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I was seriously disappointed when I saw a picture of them. Haven't heard them yet.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I downloaded the EP and quite enjoyed it. Their name really is crap though. I mean even the fans can admit that, right?

― Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

was seriously disappointed when I saw a picture of them

were you hoping they'd be prettier? i think the one guy looks like you could get some sort of mars volta thing going if you really wanted to make them very mtv-friendly.

the name sucks only because record store act look at you like you must be a perv when you call them up and go "HELLO DO YOU HAVE ANY JR BOYS??"

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

yow that got garbled.

i meant "record store people act like you must be a perv"

― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

were you hoping they'd be prettier?

with a name like that you should dress with pizazz.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 20 June 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

either that vahid or they go on about Junior boys own. I quite like the name though, its seems empty.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 20 June 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

the music is pretty cool too...

― hector (hector), Sunday, 20 June 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

they are pretty shitty.
its like a mildly less embarrasing postal service.
(im exaggerating, but...seriosuly.)

― emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

They kinda remind me of Erlend Oye, except not as good.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

[email protected]

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"last exit" - far from being cheesy, one of the most amazing and spacious drum tracks in recent memory. one of the few tracks in 2003 to push the rhythmic angle of electronic music forward. discuss.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"last exit"'s rhythm is basically just "jigga that nigga" at half speed, but that's pretty creative as far as i'm concerned.

― .rob (rgeary), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i will listen to both right now and get back to you on that.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Ronan, do you like the Junior Boys? Last Exit is, at the risk of sounding way emo about it, touching me in a way no album really has this year.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Shit, the third or fourth time I listened to the album I started hoping that no one would make Postal Service comparisons. I couldn't get into that material at all, but Junior Boys just... works.. somehow.

The music feels very decompressed, for lack of a better term. Not in a frequency sort of way, but in a "ten comic panels showing what could be done in two" way. It makes the in-between bits more important, somehow.

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

well obviously not all singing over electronic beats is equal.

grime is different than strained indie voice over glitchtronica is different than neo david sylvian over two step ambient techno.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

decompressed is a really cool way of putting it :)

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

making record store employees think you are creepy is a good good hobby.

Hi, I would like to buy this Trax records retrospective, and also, DO YOU HAVE ANY HOTT PAEDO ROCK???

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

BE ON THE LOOK OUT FOR THE MANBOY ROCKERS VS. MICHAEL JACKSON SLEEP-OVERS 7" ON DELICATE PEDAL RECORDS.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

TELL ME WHEN IF THERE'S GRASS ON THE FIELDS PLAY BALL 12'' ON IF NOT ROLL EM OVER AND PLAY IN THE MUD RECORDS COMES IN CAUSE MAN TALK ABOUT ROCK-CITY

― David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

david, it is a shame that your favorite rocks bands are doomed to failure and obscurity because their names are not particularly catchy.

however, if you are looking for more hot rock, you should check out the Softball Follies EP by The Fontleroy Mentors on This Charming Man Records.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I totally killed this thread.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Junior Boys straddles the line between cheesy and pretentious for me, without ever falling into either camp. My only worry is that this requires so much effort that it is at some points evident.

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I totally killed this thread.

You're back! Where've you been?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I like it a lot but I have to be honest - sometimes it just sorta fades into the background and I start thinking about other stuff. Like how I wish I was listening to Basement Jaxx.

― djdee2005, Monday, 21 June 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

(which is no diss to the junior boys; 99% of artists make me wish I was listening to BJaxx when they get boring)

― djdee2005, Monday, 21 June 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I am totally shocked that an actual discussion has occurred/is occurring on this thread. < /meta>

― Matthew Cohen (flightsatdusk), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I've probably tried to convince myself to like this album more than any other that's been released this year, but no matter how many times I listen to it, it just doesn't resonate with me at all. "Birthday" is by far the best thing on there, and I had high hopes for the rest, but I just find it very bland and unengaging.

I'm no electronic aficianado so maybe this is a shit comparison, but for whatever reason I like the new Superpitcher ALOT more.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 21 June 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Agree about Superpitcher. Well...not a LOT more, but I do like it more.

― djdee2005, Monday, 21 June 2004 04:03 (twenty-one years ago)

scientific anyalysis indicates there is LITTLE SIMILARITY between "ji**a my ni**a" and "last exit".

i will grant that there is a repeating bass figure on the 1 and the 2 in both tracks.

however the timbaland beat is also characterized by handclaps on the two and four, 1-2-3-4 maracas very softly in the background and a shocking amount of space in the third beat. this makes it possible to shake your hips constantly, drop and swivel on the one and waves your arms to and fro with the handclaps.

in the junior boys track you only get a single drum hit on the one and it only happens every few bars or so. interestingly though the beat is echoed and flanged and stuff and its echoes hit every 1/8th beat in the measure. then every few bars or so there's this total mashup measure where all sorts of percussion hits come in at all weird angles but it's still 1-2-3-4. so the junior boys track is sort of less syncopated in that the stuffs that's happening is happening really steadily and practically 4/4, not all gaptoothed like the timbaland beats. but at the same time there's waaaay less going on - most of the stuffs that's happening is just reflected ghosts of the real beats, which are far and few inbetween compared to "ji**a my ni**a". and the mashup measures are something else entirely unconnected to timbaland.

or something like that.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

proven by science

― Matthew Cohen (flightsatdusk), Monday, 21 June 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

jigga that nigga is poke & tone aka trakmasters.
Think Jigga what Jigga who is the track being compared.

― eddizzle, Monday, 21 June 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I was totally confused because I thought everyone was talking about "Jigga My Nigga" the Swizz Beats production which is about the last thing in the world that "Last Exit" sounds like.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 21 June 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

my comments are definitely about "jigga that ni**a" from "the blueprint".

i have no idea who produced it. for whatever reason i had it in my head that it was timbaland. thank you eddizzle for the correction. i am certainly not talking about "jigga what jigga who" from "vol. 2" because that sounds even less like "last exit".

though i think rob has sharp ears for picking out the similarity in the "bassline" (more like two arrythmic bass guitar farts on the first beat, really)

also i have no idea why i turned the title into "jigga my ni**a" in my post. thank you tim for that correction.

i think i was having a(nother) ditzy moment.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

their main problem is theyre not cheesy enough

― jeremy jordan (cruisy), Monday, 21 June 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)

yes all music must sound like second tier murder inc. stuff or bad early 90s pop

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Are they like a cross between Junior Senior and the Ordinary Boys?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 21 June 2004 10:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I know Kin's only a new label, but their distribution for such an anticipated release is pretty crap ATM.

Haven't seen any of the records in stores here, and hardly any online retailers (at least looking at GEMM) seem to have it either.

― Mil, Monday, 21 June 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

this album is seriously fucking with me emotionally, which almost never happens any more

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 21 June 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

miaow!

― jeremy jordan (cruisy), Monday, 21 June 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm kinda surprised people were so "WTF?!" about the Pharell comparisons over on the other thread - if only for More Than Real which I can totally hear him singing.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 21 June 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

>>Haven't seen any of the records in stores here, and hardly any online retailers (at least looking at GEMM) seem to have it either. <<

I saw 2 CD copies plus the vinyl version at Twisted Village in Cambridge (MA) the other day. Other Music has also mentioned it as their lead review in their recent newsletter, and Forced Exposure has it on their page. So, it is getting out there, slowly and surely.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

as of today Fast'n'Bulbous rates Junior Boys as best album of the year so far [115 albums from 2004 are ranked/ rated]
http://www.fastnbulbous.com/rock_f.htm

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 21 June 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Have been delving into a bit of my 80s synth pop stuff and this album seems to fit in there quite well.

Reminds me of OMD in some strange roundabout way. Except the beats are more interesting in the Juniors case.

Didn't think you would dig this at all vahid.

Also nice to see mike posting again.

― hector (hector), Monday, 21 June 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

well i still haven't heard the album or the high come down ep and i wasn't super-hot on "birthday" but "last exit" is just fucking undeniably awesome.

"unbirthday" and the fennesz mix are pretty good too. though it makes me sad that it takes something like a fennesz remix to make some people's ears perk up.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

besides it's not too far off from the super-solemn juan atkins and carl craig and derrick may material, is it?? i'm sure they all love flock of seagulls and all that.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I kiss you.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Monday, 21 June 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

flock of seagulls. yum!

just been digging on space age love song.

― hector (hector), Monday, 21 June 2004 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Always worth digging on. I still think it's a grower compared to the EPs.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 June 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

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yeah, and #s 2-4 are Mission of Burma, Wilco, and TV on the Radio, so I take that with a pretty fuckin' huge grain of salt.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 21 June 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"as of today Fast'n'Bulbous rates Junior Boys as best album of the year so far [115 albums from 2004 are ranked/ rated]"

crap, that statement was supposed to be applying to the above quote.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 21 June 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

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― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
this is awesome

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 10:53 (twenty-one years ago)

What, the album or this thread?

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

both! anyone else read J0hn's screeds on a few songs off the album? nice writing, per his personal standard.

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

which can be found where? (they are not on his blog)

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

sure they are, assuming you're looking at lptj. just click "old archive" on the left and read the entries titled "Last Exit."

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm wondering what happened of the person who started this thread : no post after the first one... what's the point of starting a thread, then ?

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I have now found and read the articles in question.

I found Part II to be the most satisfactory part.

I wish the music lived up to the words Mr Darnielle expends on it.

Songs From A Room is, like nearly all of Mr Cohen's records, actually very funny indeed, even if in a Tom Conti/Reuben, Reuben sense.

The 21st great thing about Kraftwerk was that they didn't keep their emotions secret. They just like you to think that they do.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm wondering what happened of the person who started this thread : no post after the first one... what's the point of starting a thread, then ?

-- AleXTC (alexandre...) (webmail), October 5th, 2004 9:57 AM. (AleXTC) (later) (link)

it's like that deist theory of god, the watchmaker or whatever

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

remember when no one gave a shit about this band

― stomp (+dancefloor), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

they're awesome and all but hype is pretty annoying

― stomp (+dancefloor), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I've not actually read a single word about the Junior Boys apart from ILM. (And I guess the PFM review, which was by ScottPl, anyway.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

And Darn1elle, but you know, same thing.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

they're awesome and all but hype is pretty annoying

-- stomp (admi...) (webmail), October 5th, 2004 3:11 PM. (+dancefloor) (later) (link)

then don't click on junior boys threads or read junior boys articles! voila, problem solved.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

junior goys is more like it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

actually one of them has a jewish last name, right?

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)


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