gravy train!!!, da hawnay troof, & similar outfits

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so, what's people's take on the whole us punk/noise kids doing beats & rapping & whatever - gravy train!!!, da hawnay troof, um whatever else (tangential - peaches, le tigre?). surprisingly popular over here, but there's no ILM threads on the subject.

matos to thread to skew gravy train!!! on the bbq, plz.

etc, Sunday, 20 June 2004 10:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

It's stupid and boring and GOD ALONE could punish Le Tigre harshly enough for that piece of nothing second Lp

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 20 June 2004 11:44 (10 years ago) Permalink

you know I got yr back w/that one, 'roo. what's yr take on c0c0 s0lid & the r18s (alt: the pussi3s) or the s0und l4ydee?

etc, Sunday, 20 June 2004 11:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

Former fucking pointless artschool injoke/"project" taken/dragged to "OH CHRIST SOMEONE DID SOMETHING SO UH LET'S DO THEM" heights, second occasionally vvv good (even GREAT), SO SO should've kept going.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 20 June 2004 11:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

Still, thisis only based on having seen the Pussies play like three times. Had I never seen them my opinion might be kinder.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 20 June 2004 11:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

etc., I really appreciate your calling on me for this topic, but really, their self-evident crapitude is its own judgment call.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 20 June 2004 12:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

The one Coco Solid track I heard really really sucked; it distresses me that I have to hear it everytime I wanna see a picture of etc in his underwear.

Livvie (Livvie), Sunday, 20 June 2004 12:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

I like to say it "craptitude". More harshness man

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 20 June 2004 12:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

"supercomputer" is one of the best auckland songs ever, & since my new flat's only 2 minutes away from misfit theatre I guess I'll finally be able to get a copy of the cd.

are panty raid anything like gravy train!!!? I like the guy's fashion sense.

etc, Sunday, 20 June 2004 12:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

these bands would be classic if they moved to brooklyn (ie, far away from here).

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 20 June 2004 13:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

does cex fit into this "scene"? i've never heard most of these bands (heh or xbxrx), luckily. um howabout fannypack & avenue d as other triangulation points?

I'm guessing da hawnay toof is v.inferior to the soft pink truth.

etc, Sunday, 20 June 2004 13:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

xbxrx are wonderful and you can listen to their Lp 1200 times a day cos it's 20 mins long or so

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

They're about as close to this shit as Lightning Bolt, tho. Not enough people are listening to "N***a Please" says I!

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 03:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

Roo OTM.

Minty (Minty), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

Anton OTM

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

these people need to be loaded into a rocket and fired into the sun. i myself volunteer to throw the switch.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

horrible, offensive, ill-thought out, inept cultural tranvesticism is okay apparently if the people doing it are actual trannies.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

(haha the olympia motto)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

seriously, though, fuck this shit in the ear

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:46 (10 years ago) Permalink

Strongo OTM

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:49 (10 years ago) Permalink

There seems to be some unproperlytapped market for homosexually themed rap tho, maybe some actual rappers should get on to it

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

elton john got married mate, ya get me

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

no

Minty (Minty), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

Maybe it's a Jay-Z thing

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

i think what really grates about this shit is that it's so often perpetrated by people who say things like "as a white person/man/"womyn"/middle class, i don't feel right adopting the codes/dress/lifestyle/affectations of other races/the poor."

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

"So often"/always. If they were competent I wouldn't care, but this hideous tossedoff hiphop seems like a disgusting insult they're not even aware they're doing. This is what always fucked me off about the Pussies, Etc, I'd see them and they're all OH WE'RE ALLOWED TO INSULT HIPHOP BY DOING A STUPID JOKE VERSION OF IT COS WE'RE BROWN ART STUDENTS well uh maybe yr NOT allowed to. MORALLY.

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

Applies to "oh we're allowed to use hiphop badly cos we're OUTSIDERS due to our radical sexuality" too obv

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

Is it not clear I've been known to read the Wire?

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:11 (10 years ago) Permalink

it's just one of those ironies that's so big and ugly and out there that you figure they have to know, yet they'll always surprise you.

xpost: well, you wear it well.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

i like:

the ssion [puts on the best live show, for real]
gravy train!!!
VIP

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:37 (10 years ago) Permalink

i like real rap music. sometimes even the kind made by white people and women.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

I'm not even sure if Mocky fits on this thread, but I'm quite enjoying his new one. Like Gonzales was, back in the day, but with added R&B smooch.

Jason J, Monday, 21 June 2004 14:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

yes take a cex with them too.

xbxrx are nothing even remotely close to the style of music implied above (yes, i realize the obvious xbxrx - DHT connection). the whole lo-fi peaches via tripsters makes contadina's shelflife seem incessant.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 21 June 2004 15:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

Take CRACK:We Are Rock too please. Bad rapping is still bad rapping, regardless of skin color/genitalia/educational background. Profoundly irritating.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 21 June 2004 18:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

i've seen gravy train live twice. they're not very much like rap. it's a lot more like soft cell, especially something like "sex dwarf". so it didn't come across as particularly offensive or whatever.

people like cazwell or avenue d are much more explicitly referencing hip hop than anybody mentioned so far on the thread, i've seen them live too and there's no "joke" about it.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 19:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

also this all reminds me of trife's defense of black eyed peas = it's not rap music, it's dance music, so get over the bad rapping.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 19:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

matos "self-evident crapitude" is pretty OTM though i think the crapitude has more to do with the tossed-off-ness of the music than anything else.

i had more fun at the avenue d shows i saw than at most of the shows starring my electronica idols, though i'd never take the time to buy an avenue d album or downloading tracks or whatever.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 19:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Applies to "oh we're allowed to use hiphop badly cos we're OUTSIDERS due to our radical sexuality" too obv

this is about as dud as dj shadow complaining about hip hop sucking in 96

vahid (vahid), Monday, 21 June 2004 19:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Can we spare Extreme Animals?

Thor, Monday, 21 June 2004 20:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

finally someone brings the vitriol; I was getting worried.

(my secret reason for starting this thread - wondering whether my uh dislike of this stuff is reconcilable w/my penchant for "duff euro-rapping" or whatever (tho haha none of the ppl who listen to DHT/GT!!!/whatevah that I've met have ever, ever given anything disco-&-beyond the time of day))

etc, Monday, 21 June 2004 21:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

i hope people dont lump me in with this kinda stuff, i really really hope.

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Monday, 21 June 2004 22:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
haha i totally killed this thread. extreme animals shouldnt be lumped in with the rest of these people. they are like dj sammy meets wacky troll rave noise. a tru gem.

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

Cex getting brought up in this thread saddens me a little.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

Me and Vahid should've queered it out obv

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

dude, al, i know like HOMETOWN PRIDE and all, but c'mon

jess, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

i'll make you a deal: i won't hold cex against you if you don't hold cassidy against me

jess, Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

DJ SAMMY WAS AWESOME!!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

extreme animals are definitely influenced by the cheez-e trance. lotsa epic synth breakdowns/washes.

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

well I don't think I've actually heard a single other artist mentioned in this thread, so I don't actually know if Cex is comparable or any better or any worse, but when I first saw him DJ and he was spinning DMX and M.O.P. instrumentals at indie shows, well it was pretty refreshing 4 years ago. and I don't think he gets enough credit for the fact that he went from a gimmicky live show where he pretended to rap and freestyled on silly topics, to actually writing full verses of fairly serious rhymes and becoming an at least slightly above average undie MC. but he quickly moved onto something completely different, so whatever.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 4 August 2004 02:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
i'm interviewing hawnay troof soonish - anyone have any way of formulating questions that won't be too um insulting yet will still be fairly accusatory?

heh, Monday, 20 September 2004 23:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

boring
annoying
something tha peope think is amusng
who gives a FUCKanywayers

lop@plop.com, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 07:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'M NOT GOING. I hate them all!

Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

xbxrx were a superb band to rival Hendrix at his finest why do you bother w/this shit, exsinger of xbxrx?

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

My local record shop is claiming that the new Gravy Train album sounds like the Shangri Las singing Peaches. This sounds oddly appealing.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 17:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well its definitely preferable to Peaches singing Shangri-Las.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 17:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

It's a bit garage rock and bit rubbish, and I used to have a lot of time for Gravy Train!!!!.

DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 28 August 2007 19:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

i like hawnay troof's enthusiasm. but it's kinda empty enthusiasm. it's like watching kids who've had too many red bulls playing air hockey; kinda fun for about a minute, then really really dull.

xbxrx are the sha-na-na of hardcore. i assume that's the point, though.

Lawrence the Looter, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

gygax and strongo 1,000% OTM (3 years ago and many many posts ago)

Eisbaer, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

this stuff really did turn out to be the future of popular music, didn't it

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

xbxrx are the sha-na-na of hardcore. i assume that's the point, though.

wtf?

sarahell, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow, i'm pretty sure i SAW gravy train (!!! i guess) back in 2004 or thereabouts, but i remember almost nothing about them. certainly don't remember them being offensive enough to merit the kind of reaction they got here, but hey who knows.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 7 May 2012 18:34 (2 years ago) Permalink


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