Fugazi vs. Fugazi Fans

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(Didn't want to drop this in the Repeater thread below.)

Can we maybe discuss Fugazi fans for a sec? See, between my high school and the three different colleges I attended, I noticed an acroos-the-board high percentage of Fugazi fans who definitely thought they were "so fucking real" so to speak, often simply for the fact that they liked Fugazi, and these people would spend a great deal of time attempting to project this, often acting out with annoying declarations like how they picked up their new jacket at a thrift store or a Sears (Sears = Fuagzi? WTF), as if this was something particularly admirable, and it's kind of actually soured me on the band altogether, to the point where now I even see Ian as being a major wanker (US Trans. = jerkoff), which, given recent interviews, doesn't seem so far off the mark....

Not necessarily trying to slam the band here, just wondering if anyone else out there has experienced similar feelings w/r/t Fugazi...

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

"US Trans"?

Also, are you a time traveler form 1994?

Also, pictures of Fugazi fans from Fugazi movie to thread!

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

Love Fugazi. Haven't hung out with these Sears-jacket-obsessed Fugazi fans in years. It seems like Fugazi has a more diverse fanbase than just those caricature types.

― mike a, Monday, 7 June 2004 17:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

Well, as I detailed on the Repeater thread, my high school friends and I were metalheads, and when the 13 Songs and Repeater came out they basically slotted right in with the Voivod and Slayer and Soundgarden records we dug. From where we were sitting anyway. They sounded good on pot.

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think there's quite a few bands I end up hating not so much for their own merits or otherwise but because a good proportion of their fans are utter tools. Having had the good fortune not to mingle with many straightedgers tho, I've never felt this way about Fugazi.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

declarations like how they picked up their new jacket at a thrift store or a Sears (Sears = Fuagzi? WTF), as if this was something particularly admirable

Just tell them YOU ARE NOT WHAT YOU OWN.

Or something similar.

― mike a, Monday, 7 June 2004 17:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

bunch of ice cream eating motherfuckers

― zappi (joni), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, most of the Fugazi fans I know personally are comic book nerds and video game jockeys. They aren't interested in being grouped with any scene, nor do they use their love of Fugazi to grab at some sense of "integrity." They're just carefree dorks who occasionally buy good cds.

Pavement fans, on the other hand...

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

All the annoying hardcore Fugazi fans I used to know deserted the band after In On The Kill Taker. Just as well, I suppose.

― Nick Mirov (nick), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yay little brother's friends who dig loud rock = all ages shows = fun for the whole family. We called them "gas station jackets" and yes, they were highly prized by the middle class. Politics were acknowledged about as much as Bad Brains' Rastafarianism.
The twin horns of straight edge and riot grrrl would later divide the scene into wierdo up-tight splinter snob gangs AKA no so much fun.

― sexyDancer, Monday, 7 June 2004 17:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

XPOST

"Us Trans." offered not because I think nobody knows what "wanker" means, but because while recent interviews with Ian suggest to me he is a bit of a jerk-off, I think the word "wanker" fits him better, so it's just there for contrast....

And I do agree, the fans are of course diverse, and I am dropping obvious stereotypes, but lordy there were a slew of 'em....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm not even going here.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

w/r/t "make a sweeping generalization" thread....

oh, I see, so we're all just "selectively" judgmental on this site

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

i didnt pick up Repeater at first because of the comic book guy who recommended it.. definitely my loss

― nothingleft (nothingleft), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

Actually the biggest Fugazi fan I know is a real fun guy. Once when I was noting that found the stuff between Repeater and The Argument a bit weak in comparison he yelled "are you ripping on mid-90's Fugazi? That's my TIGER STYLE, man!!!!"

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

what is a video game jockey?

― robin (robin), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

short guy on a horse

― sexyDancer, Monday, 7 June 2004 20:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

bunch of ice cream eating motherfuckers
-- zappi (cfca...), June 7th, 2004.

And I saw them do it, outside, before the show!

― mei (mei), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, most of the Pavement fans I know personally are comic book nerds and video game jockeys. They aren't interested in being grouped with any scene, nor do they use their love of Pavement to grab at some sense of "integrity." They're just carefree dorks who occasionally buy good cds.

Fugazi fans, on the other hand...

this has been my experience, at least.

― Serya (Z_Ayres), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

what is a video game jockey?

People who own at least one gaming system (but usually more than one), always have a stack of rented games eight titles deep, and only leave the house on weekends to buy beer and cheese puffs (and/or a dimebag).

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

this has been my experience, at least.

Your Pavement loving friends and my Fugazi loving friends should meet!

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

Fugazi fans are spectacularly bad in bed. That is all.

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 03:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

Fuck that! I'm bringing _End Hits_, a box of wine, and some hot lovin' to your doorstep. Or whomevers. If you're interested. Folks.

Hello.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 03:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

um, hi (runs)

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 03:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

Great David! The percentage of female posters around here was already small enough without you chasing one away.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 03:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

it was the wine in a box that did it

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 03:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

Saving a few bucks on wine to prove an important point (not all Fugazi fans are a bad lay) is sort of noble. The money he saves might be used on a second date (proving that not all Fugazi fans are committment-phobic).

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 03:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

Would milady prefer some Mad Dog or Boone's? Or perhaps a case of Piels?

Date #2 = Salvation Army shopping trip, followed by ska matinee. Oi.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 03:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

skinheads make me feel all weird, but maybe the Boone's would clear that up

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

True story. First time I ever got drunk was on a bottle of Boone's. The soundtrack? 13 Songs.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

ahhh (xpost) Johnny Fever has taken the best debating skills of Mackaye acolytes and used them wisely

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

We are a patient lot...

Wait - I have to SHAVE MY HEAD?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's all a tug-of-war, David. You give, she takes.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

http://www.joanjett.com/biography/joan.html

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 14:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Monday, 26 July 2004 17:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

Ian Mackaye is Michael Stipe in The Gina Arnold Story.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 17:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

In a recent issue of Punk Planet there was an interview with Ian and the photos of him looked like Uncle Scrooge.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 26 July 2004 18:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

Actually, I'd say he looked more like Uncle Sam on those "I Want You" posters.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 26 July 2004 18:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

Why does Ian still wear such goofy hats?

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Monday, 26 July 2004 18:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

snarfbombs on highway 11, news at 12, live only on channel 13.
m.

― msp, Monday, 26 July 2004 19:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

My only complaint with Fugazi fans is that they really have stopped bodypassing, at the misguided and teacherly urging of the musicians themselves. There's more of that at an Atmosphere set during Warped (a tour that reminds me again of how much better Fugazi are than most of the groups their still very large audience listens to).

― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 26 July 2004 20:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

Robert Duvall looks so gay in that pic

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 26 July 2004 20:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

"I love the smell of funny hats in the morning."

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 26 July 2004 20:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

ian's actually stopped the show on many occasions to wait for the moshers to stop. it's a move against machoism.

i think coming from the first wave of hardcore where beating people up at shows was totally part of the scene and realizing that it drove away many of the really interesting people, fugazi is trying to say that they don't want to be part of that and have that as an element in what they do.

it may seem like the move of a control freak, but i appreciate it. (speaking as someone who's bored of fighting at shows and yet still enjoys their music... )

― msp, Monday, 26 July 2004 21:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

yea, now that I'm over the age of like uhh 20... I don't wanna get violent at shows much

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Monday, 26 July 2004 22:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

But bodypassing = violent? Maybe this is a particular affliction of Minneapolis, but the result is people now look at you if you so much as bump them.

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 27 July 2004 14:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

don't know much about this hardcore/ straight-edge scene, but when in our club we had a Better Than A Thousand concert I was pretty amazed by the fact that apparently the audience talked only about shoes, clothes and vegan food.
and yes, they were kind of violent.

― Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 14:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

"i think coming from the first wave of hardcore where beating people up at shows was totally part of the scene..."

I was there. You are wrong.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 17:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

Colin, did you ever tour out to like uhhh LA?

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 17:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

We're talking about the DC scene, silly pants.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 18:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

oh yea!

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 July 2004 18:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

aight. i'll believe ya gee cause i wasn't there. but this is the stock argument i've heard many a time. aka "the violence of hardcore killed the scene".

?
m.

― msp, Tuesday, 27 July 2004 22:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

Violent people showing up to shows and metal-style moshing did a lot to damage the early DC hardcore scene. Slam dancing as I learned it didn't hurt and didn't involve hurting others.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 28 July 2004 08:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

It wasn't called moshing until, I believe, the '90s. These days, at least, violent slamming isn't exclusive to metal or speedmetal. What I hate are the guys who are all elbows. Put your elbows down, kid!

― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 28 July 2004 22:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

I know a guy who considered naming his band Fugazi Osborne Against Me First and the Gimmie Gimmies.

― iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 22 September 2009 22:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Why u don't respond 2 your fans?
Memphis7414 5 days ago

― nulty dread (nakhchivan), Thursday, 17 February 2011 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jaysus

― Elmer Fuiud (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 February 2011 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

thank u to this thread for reminding me to listen to fugazi

I DON'T WANNA BE DEFEATED I DON'T WANNA BE DEFEATED I DON'T WANNA BE DEFEATED I DON'T WANNA BE DEFEATED

― on some outer space shit (bernard snowy), Thursday, 17 February 2011 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Fugazi sucks. It is for middle class kids with no real upbringing in rock and roll, a product of a tuneless middle class white culture.

They have no resonance with the real originators of rock and soul music. Too bad they're too arrogant to admit it.

― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Truck Bombing Begins at Home (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 26 July 2012 16:49 (9 months ago) Permalink

interesting

as a counterpoint can I suggest the video three posts above

― price lo matalan (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 26 July 2012 16:57 (9 months ago) Permalink

Mount Cleaners never fugazi

― Will Chave (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 July 2012 17:01 (9 months ago) Permalink

'i had a traditional rock and roll upbringing, you know, my parents taught me that that kind of tunelessness was just wrong.'

― j., Thursday, 26 July 2012 17:09 (9 months ago) Permalink

um, hi (runs)
― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Monday, June 7, 2004 11:24 PM

― am0n, Thursday, 26 July 2012 17:18 (9 months ago) Permalink

ask Mount Cleaners

― am0n, Thursday, 26 July 2012 17:18 (9 months ago) Permalink

They have no resonance with the real originators of rock and soul music.

Well, of course not, they are long dead.

But you're right, I am middle class and had no real upbringing in real rock 'n' roll. Instead I listened to Northern Soul. Ah well.

― Nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 26 July 2012 18:50 (9 months ago) Permalink

I can't wait for the Animal Collective vs Animal Collective fans thread in a few years time.

― Oblique Strategies, Friday, 27 July 2012 19:08 (9 months ago) Permalink

mount cleaners do you still have a talking horse and will you sell him

― thomp, Friday, 27 July 2012 20:48 (9 months ago) Permalink

i heard a ska cover of waiting room the other day. it was ok but if the record store had it on sale, i wouldn't pick it up pick it up pick it up.

― Philip Nunez, Friday, 27 July 2012 20:54 (9 months ago) Permalink

mount cleaners why do u hate fugazi

― am0n, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:12 (9 months ago) Permalink

They have no resonance with the real originators of rock and soul music, originators like Mount Cleaners.

― da croupier, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:15 (9 months ago) Permalink

i wonder what a real upbringing in rock and roll looks like

― da croupier, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:16 (9 months ago) Permalink

― am0n, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:19 (9 months ago) Permalink

that is the ugliest picture of Jawbox I've ever seen

― da croupier, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:20 (9 months ago) Permalink

lol

― mythical mickey rourke jacket (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 July 2012 04:31 (9 months ago) Permalink

god so red medicine is such a fantastic record

― thomp, Sunday, 29 July 2012 20:09 (9 months ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/film/2013/04/26/director-jeff-nichols-on-fugazi-southern-literature-and-mud/

new Matthew M. movie

― curmudgeon, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:29 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

WCP: There’s a question I’ve been dying to ask you: As a huge Fugazi fan, I couldn’t help but notice the Fugazi T-shirt that Neckbone wears in the beginning. What’s the story behind that?

JN: [laughs] That was actually written in the script! I was a huge fan of Fugazi growing up and I was thinking a lot about certain things in my life from the time period that I was Ellis’ age. My brother was in a punk rock band in Little Rock, and there was a pretty good punk rock scene in Little Rock, so I was listening to a lot of Jawbreaker and Fugazi and everything else. Working on this script reminded me of that time and when I was building my characters, the character of Galen, Neck’s uncle (Michael Shannon) was written as this sort of washed-up punk rocker. If you look through his house, you’ll see a bunch of flyers and things from Little Rock punk shows.

There's more in the link re the filmmakers getting in touch with Dischord and how they never made or authorized Fugazi t-shirts, etc

― curmudgeon, Friday, 26 April 2013 16:40 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Heh. I made my own Fugazi t-shirt when I was in high school. Just sharpie on a while t, reading "this is not a fugazi t-shirt". Some jocks made fun of me for it and I was kinda just like "yeah, you guys are probably right."

― how's life, Friday, 26 April 2013 17:07 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

They sold the "This is Not a Fugazi T-Shirt" t-shirts at Smash Records on M Street in Georgetown. I wouldn't have thought the Dischord people were that happy about it, but who knows. Smash was way more, like, Oi-focused and Crass patches and stuff, which was pretty far removed from the world I was into then. They always seemed like they might mock, like, Positive Force and stuff.

― Walter Galt, Saturday, 27 April 2013 00:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

LOL Smash. I never went there, but my best friend from 9th grade algebra had a Smash shopping list written on his binder. The list was like: bomber jacket, exploited patch, anarchy earring, 20-hole doc martens. So yeah, it was probably pretty oi.

― how's life, Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

literally the first i ever heard of fugazi in the early 90s was when i started buying rock mags and there'd be those big 2-page ads for some company that sells band shirts with dozens of little rectangular pictures of shirts for different popular/semi-popular bands and "this is not a fugazi t-shirt" always stuck out because i was like huh what's with the cryptic t-shirt for a band i've never heard of.

― some dude, Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:36 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

iirc this would even be in bullshit like Hit Parader and Circus when i briefly bought those for a while in addition to more respectable rags

― some dude, Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:37 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Rockabilia!

― how's life, Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

fuckin' "in addition to". as if that wasn't before you were buying "more respectable rgs"

― how's life, Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

smash carried a wide range of weird goth shit and re/search books in addition to the manic panic.

that this is not a fugazi shirt was the ugliest fucking thing. white shirt with like, oceany blue lettering?

― adam, Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

lol jeez how's life sorry if that seemed like conspicuous fronting. i just mean i'm pretty sure i started picking up rolling stone etc. around the same time or before that.

― some dude, Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i understand why some people don't like Fugazi, i assume they understand why i think they suck

― we're up all night to get picky (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:56 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Hit Parader type mags had a really entertaining identify crisis in that era, where they'd be keeping up with Pearl Jam and Green Day while continuing to regularly interview Enuff Z'nuff.

― some dude, Saturday, 27 April 2013 01:56 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

smash carried a wide range of weird goth shit and re/search books in addition to the manic panic.

that this is not a fugazi shirt was the ugliest fucking thing. white shirt with like, oceany blue lettering?

i remember Commander Salamander being the more goth-friendly spot, but Smash definitely had, like, leather bustiers for a minute.

I think the oceany blue lettering was an attempt to approximate the Repeater cover art. I had that shirt, but I don't know what happened to it! I stopped wearing it after a cooler punk than I was like "Ian thinks that shirt is dumb. I know a guy who knows him."

― Walter Galt, Saturday, 27 April 2013 08:21 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

lol jeez how's life sorry if that seemed like conspicuous fronting. i just mean i'm pretty sure i started picking up rolling stone etc. around the same time or before that.
― some dude, Friday, April 26, 2013 9:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sorry, i was drunk last night and basically being a jerk all over town. however, when you said "more respectable rags", i had this image of little some dude stepping out of Wawa with a Hit Parader in one hand and Art Forum in the other or something.

― how's life, Saturday, 27 April 2013 10:38 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I stopped wearing it after a cooler punk than I was like "Ian thinks that shirt is dumb. I know a guy who knows him."

In their 1993(?) Spin interview, Guy says something like, "I thought it was cool that someone just went and made that shirt."

― Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 27 April 2013 12:23 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

1991

http://books.google.com/books?id=b4qmcLhXEsYC&lpg=PA48&dq=guy%20picciotto&pg=PA48#v=onepage&q=guy%20picciotto&f=false

― how's life, Saturday, 27 April 2013 12:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I wonder how many scenes in the movie Mud you see the kid wearing the shirt?

― curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 April 2013 14:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

was gonna post a picture of the not-fugazi shirt but found this instead:

― adam, Saturday, 27 April 2013 14:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

seriously tho whoever did the graphic design for this shirt should go to jail

― adam, Saturday, 27 April 2013 14:53 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i remember Commander Salamander being the more goth-friendly spot, but Smash definitely had, like, leather bustiers for a minute.
― Walter Galt, Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:21 AM

And let's not forget about Poseurs...

― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 27 April 2013 16:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

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