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anyone know of some good funky prog rock break records?

― Vitalski, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

I've broken plenty of prog rock records.

― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

more along the lines of drum heavy stuff as opposed to the pastoral mellotron soaked epic gnome and wizard shit

― Vitalski, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

there is no "gnome and wizard" shit in the genre to the best of my knowledge.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

But Pash, most people think prog = Rick Wakeman.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

for "gnome and wizard" shit, seek any record w/vocals by ronnie james dio.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yes ned, but I can't remember any of rick wakeman's rekkids featuing "gnome and wizard" shit. I mean they were pretty terrible, but pretty devoid of any s&s cack.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

not interested in gnome and wizard shit.. more funky hard drum stuff

― Vitalski, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 13:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

ALAN PARSONS HAS ROBOTS ROBOTS ARE COOL WITH THE DRUMMING

― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

Dig :-)

― Roger in Mokum (Roger T), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

Check Magma's Attahk for lots of funky hard drum stuff.

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

Damnit, does anyone know what the name of the dude who does hip-hop instrumental albums with fantasy themes is? I think it's a LotR name. My joke has been foiled by my crappy memory.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Anyway, just buy Endtroducing and The Inner-Mounting Flame and you'll be fine.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

billy cobham - "spectrum"

not really prog, more jazz-fusion

― steeve mcqueen (steeve mcqueen), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

Cobham plays some samplable beats on the Mahavishnu albums too.

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Speed up "Peel the Paint" from Gentle Giant's Three Friends albums -- works for me...

― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

Cobham plays some samplable beats on the Mahavishnu albums too.

He certainly plays a lot of beats on those albums, ha ha.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, FUCKING sampleable. Why has there never been a Mahavishnu remix album? (answer: because it would probably be done by Bill Laswell)

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― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

well there are some ok ones to use for breaks too (I'm thinking now of his breaks in "Miles Ahead")

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― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

There is a tune on Lost Trident Sessions where he is playing straight-up jungle in like '74, for real. He already tuned his drums way up and was playing James Brown beats at over twice the speed, so there you go.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

See also the Italian band Area. They were known to spontaneously break into funk jams, like on the end of "La mela di Odessa".

I've always wished someone would sample Bill Bruford's china-boy extravaganza on "One More Red Nightmare".

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Atomic Rooster? Iron Butterfly?

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 14:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

dude who does hip-hop instrumental albums with fantasy themes = DJ Frane maybe?

― superultramega (superultramarinated), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

Nah, it was a one word name, starts with an E maybe? I just saw a few of them in the record store once and laughed.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 15:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

see also: gong (hands down the most 'fun' of all prog bands)

and the devi influenced tracks by brian auger's oblivian express.

― mike bott, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

Don't front on Wakeman. He OWNED when Yes played MSG last Thursday night. Their fans, however (myself not included), are the topic for another thread...

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 16:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

the lotr breaks fella is:

http://www.suckadelic.com/main.html

I have the lotr one, which is only a little bit funny, unfortunately...

― Conor (Conor), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

No, it wasn't that! Argh, this is going to kill me.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Btw, I have Mahavishnu Remixed playing in my head now, it's great.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh, if you can find it, Igor Wakhevitch's "Materia Prima" starts out with the slowest, dirtiest beat ever - played by some French guy! Would have made early Funkadelic proud.

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

Jay Vee - tell us more! How was the show?

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Weeeell: They played almost 3 hours. Steve Howe was on fire, Anderson sounded great and Wakeman was -- as I said -- OWNING. Squire was good for the first half of the set then played amazingly during the second and White, as always, did his job. The most amazing thing was at the very end of "And You And I" , during Howe's guitar line that leads into Anderson's closing verse, the entire place got up and gave Howe (+ the band) a 5 minute standing ovation. Howe seemed pissed he wasn't allowed to finish the song, though, which I thought was strange. The rest of the band seemed totally awed and teary eyed. It was incredible.
Then they did an "unplugged" set that included an acoustic version of "Owner Of A Lonely Heart'. They ended the evening with two encores: "Soon" and then -- past the MSG curfew of 11:00 and into hefty NY Union Workers' Overtime territory (I heard something like $25,000 an hour?!?) - they did "Starship Trooper".
Some of the songs I remember losing it over they sounded so luvverly:

South Side Of the Sky
Going For The One
Ritual (!!)
OOALH
Long Distance Runaround
Soon

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

Did they play Heart of the Sunrise!?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

I don't think they did. No, I would've remembered since it's one of my faves.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wow, that sounds awesome. I guess they've been opening with "Going For the One", eh? I really should have went to the show here. One the only favorite bands of my youth that I still haven't seen.

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, they opened with GFTO. Oh - and the Wakeman/Howe tradeoffs at the end of SSOTS were fire. I recommend catching these guys on this tour if you enjoy them. They're mainly staying away from the bulk of merde they put out in the early-mid '90s and sticking to lots of seldom-played classics. Including 1st and 2nd album stuff. Still no Drama material, though.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Starship Trooper encore! Favorite song ever.

― 57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh -- and Wakeman/Anderson did a lovely version of "The Meeting" from the otherwise terrible Anderson/Bruford/Wzzzzzzz... album

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

I kind of regret missing the show.

Vitalski: It's an obvious answer but do you have Yes' Fragile? The second side is a goldmine. Side 2 opens with the first drum and bass track evah! Also check out the intro to "Heart of the Sunrise" and "The Fish" and the basslines to "Long Distance Runaround" and "Roundabout". Neil Peart is another obvious choice.

I find Inner Mounting Flame more or less unlistenable once I got past how virtuosic it is.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

Ha, I have never gotten past it. Or more to the point, that's not why I like it...it just leaves all other fusion and prog the dust, hundreds of miles behind, in terms of screaming intensity.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think it's the only record with which I've experienced the cliche that prog/fusion is technically dazzling but feels totally cold or dry on an emotional level. Where I actually do find the wailing guitar solos to sound cheesy and showy. I'm not totally sure why. It bugs me since I like McLaughlin with Miles.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

(Admittedly, I seem to generally prefer current fusion to 70 stuff, with exceptions.)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

That's really interesting, since for me it's one of the only ones that manages to transcend all the tightly scripted runs and odd-times to sound like five guys playing their asses off, with fire to spare.

Return to Forever (w/diMeola), for ex., sounds more like emotionless showmanship to me. Fun in some ways, in no way deep like Mahavishnu.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 18:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

I saw them in Lowell at the Paul Tsongas Arena last weekend (the last gig of this leg of their tour; I think the one right after MSG), which they were videotaping I believe for a PBS special and later a DVD release. They played The Beatles' "Every Little Thing" (an early cover of theirs, but very much revamped) as an encore instead of "Soon", plus "Starship Trooper" as the final closer. Great versions of "And You and I", "Ritual", "Turn of the Century"...

Minuses: They did a shuffle-blues acoustic version of "Roundabout" (like Clapton did for "Layla" on his Unplugged)--sounds too cheezy to me. Dean's inflatable set looked very (ahem) Stonehenge like.

That aside, I continue to be amazed at what a great show these guys still put on, since they're all like 55-60 years old. Plus, the a/c that night was non-existent, so it was like 85-90 degrees on stage the entire time for them.

― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

Back to the original question, how about trying Herbie Hancock's Sextant or Can's Ege Bamyasi?

― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

i want more music like magma too

― chaki_burger (chaki), Friday, 21 May 2004 00:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

I just listened to a few Gentle Giant songs that I thought might be good for this: "Knots" (Octopus) has some really crazy shit on it that might be good for sampling; "Nothing At All"'s (s/t) opening with a funky beat behind it would be nice; "Why Not?" (s/t) has a nice sample-able drum and bass bit (in the literal sense not drum 'n' bass) before the outro solo; "Alucard" (s/t) is pretty groovy and crazy; "Experience" (In A Glass House) has some nice bits; "Design" (Interview) is really cool an has a really cool drum break at about 4:27. I don't know what part of "Peel the Paint" has that one really cool bit before the guitar and sax part that leads into the chorus at about 2:04. You probably don't care about this anymore but whatever.

― Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

remove the bit "I don't know what part of" before "Peel the Paint" for fuck's sake.

― Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

and how could anyone forget Knots, the Gentle Giant remix album with Kid606, Blectum & Electric Company compiled by Phthalocyanine.

it actually exists. it's actually pretty good.

― (Jon L), Monday, 24 May 2004 17:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

Herbie Hancock's "Crossings", "Mwandishi" and "Sextant" will also satisfy some funky fusion music needs.

― earlnash, Monday, 24 May 2004 17:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

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I forgot to mention that Thurston Moore mentions his love of Yes from time to time. I think someone already mentioned that here about him liking "Gates of Delirium",, which is my favorite Yes song too.

In just over an hour that Timeshift Prog special will be on and we'll have double to moan about.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 3 January 2009 20:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

This has become an intellectual discussion of prog music - it's like reading the elephant talk newletters. bleh.

― ❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 3 January 2009 20:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

what's next, an intellectual discussion of IDM music? God forbid

― ❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 3 January 2009 20:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yes, there's far too much pseudo-intelectual widdle on this board.

― Party Sausage, Saturday, 3 January 2009 20:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think everyone eventually ends up liking And You And I more than CTTE :D

Madness!

― Sundar, Saturday, 3 January 2009 20:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

that bailey-radcliff special is fantastic. thanks for posting it. it's a treat to see those guys joking around and goofing off. critics have ignored them for too long, and no one ever interviews them, so their personalities are lost to people like me who were born after punk supposedly saved rock music

― kamerad, Sunday, 4 January 2009 01:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

I actually dont like "You and I" as much as the other two tracks,,, but I obviously still love it. There is maybe only 2 mintues of that album that dont have me on the edge of insane excitement.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 January 2009 01:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

this is the worst thread. are you guys all british?

― (jaxon) ( .) ( .) (jaxon), Sunday, 4 January 2009 02:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm british. I agree that this thread would have been amazing if more of us were from somewhere like Argentina.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 4 January 2009 02:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Magnification is fantastic, but no interesting time signatures in sight.

Who recommended I listen to Gates of Delirium? You sort of changed my life.

More later, including wondering who the fuck Egg was.

― if some1 could fills me in i would like it (Autumn Almanac), Sunday, 4 January 2009 23:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol i think that was me

― REMOVE THEIR EARS (country matters), Monday, 5 January 2009 13:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

more along the lines of drum heavy stuff as opposed to the pastoral mellotron soaked epic gnome and wizard shit

Then the answer is no because all good prog is all about "pastoral mellotron soaked epics" and not much about exaggerated drums.

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 5 January 2009 13:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

IT'S THE YES EPICS POLL

so you got there in the end AA!

― REMOVE THEIR EARS (country matters), Monday, 5 January 2009 13:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

"this is the worst thread. are you guys all british?"

I'm Italian. I got prog in my blood.

― Marco Damiani, Monday, 5 January 2009 17:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

That said, even if I'm not an avid fan of Genesis and Yes, I totally love King Crimson and VDGG, and all those semi-forgotten acts like Catapilla and Curved Air.

― Marco Damiani, Monday, 5 January 2009 17:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yes! Yes I did.

― if some1 could fills me in i would like it (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 5 January 2009 19:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

(hur, YES, get it)

― if some1 could fills me in i would like it (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 5 January 2009 19:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

No.

― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Monday, 5 January 2009 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

(j/k)

― Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Monday, 5 January 2009 19:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

I do think it's funny how some people don't care for early genesis but claim to be a prog fan. I bet those people are more fans of The Mars Volta side of the spectrum of prog music.

― ❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax), Monday, 5 January 2009 19:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure if you're referring to me but I love Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme (and Wind & Wuthering), so it's just one patch that I don't care for.

― if some1 could fills me in i would like it (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 5 January 2009 20:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

as long as you like some early genesis you're okay in my book

― ❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax), Monday, 5 January 2009 20:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

I mean, using three chords is unsophisticated, really

Tell that to Neu!, they made do with one for a lot of the time

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 17:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Anway, I enjoyed this prog prog., even tho I kinda agree with whoever upthread said "Owner Of A Lonely Heart" was the best tune on it

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 January 2009 17:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ever since this went out I've been getting I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE AND I BRING YOU in my head at spontaneous intervals ~20 times a day.

― im burt_stanton btw (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

Tell that to Neu!, they made do with one for a lot of the time

One of the worst things about krautrock.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Finally got round to watching Prog Britannia on IPlayer today and was pleasantly surprised, given how condescending it could have been. One thing no-one really mentioned was the influence of Broadway musicals on prog, which had grown out of light opera which in turn was a more accessible version of "serious" classical music. I'm sure these guys all grew up hearing West Side Story etc (they played The Nice version of America a lot in the doc admittedly), and it seems like the big unacknowledged influence to me, probably because it's so astoundingly uncool.

― Matt #2, Thursday, 8 January 2009 22:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

Songs Of West Side Story Soundtrack Album Track Listing
14. Rumble, The - Chick Corea's Elektric Band Vs. Steve Vai Monsters

― Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Thursday, 8 January 2009 22:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

they also didn't mention (although i think i saw clips of it) rick wakeman's king authur on ice thing and his great anecdote about the time when, due to illness, one side had more members than the other...

― koogs, Friday, 9 January 2009 10:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

Come to think of it, were there any women in this show at all?

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Friday, 9 January 2009 10:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Or in this entire series of programmes? Oh, I think I saw Anne Nightingale introducing King Crimson.

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Friday, 9 January 2009 10:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

holy nerd! BBC's Prog Rock Britannia in three parts on youtube

― now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Thursday, 5 February 2009 14:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

The 25 Best Progressive Rock Songs of All Time
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/feature/141547-best-25-rock-songs-of-all-time/P0

There are likely a song or two that some readers won’t recognize, but I endeavored to not make this an exercise in obscurity (a person willing to rank prog-rock songs does not—or should not—need to further bolster his ambiguous street cred by listing songs nobody is remotely familiar with).

Seems to me a cop out just cuz dude was too half-assed to bother checking out Van Der Graaf Generator, Gong, Gentle Giant, etc. So it should be qualified as best populist prog choons or something. I made a playlist of the ones I have of above, but it's begging for an additional 25....

― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

that list is rope tbh

― Deeez Nuuults (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 May 2011 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Dunno if this has been posted somewhere yet but this 5-part Slate series on prog is really nice

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/prog_spring/features/2012/prog_rock/history_of_prog_the_nice_emerson_lake_palmer_and_other_bands_of_the_1970s_.html

― frogbs, Friday, 24 August 2012 14:45 (8 months ago) Permalink

Man, I can't believe I wrote off Mahavishnu upthread.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 24 August 2012 14:56 (8 months ago) Permalink

y'all have checked out this, right? http://everygreatsongever.tumblr.com/tagged/UK-prog
extensive series of UK prog mixes. I haven't even made it through the first five and he's up to vol. 17. fun stuff.

― tylerw, Friday, 24 August 2012 15:05 (8 months ago) Permalink

there were so many errors in that slate series

― buzza, Friday, 24 August 2012 15:08 (8 months ago) Permalink

it's definitely not entirely accurate but it's still a good read

― frogbs, Friday, 24 August 2012 15:09 (8 months ago) Permalink

Man, I can't believe I wrote off Mahavishnu upthread.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, August 24, 2012 10:56 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM

― look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Friday, 24 August 2012 15:41 (8 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, I thought that Slate piece was a mess. Errors, too much pride in liking ELP while still sort of making fun of the genre/the author himself, a poor job pointing out how different, say, King Crimson was from Genesis, or Gentle Giant from Yes, etc.

Mahavishnu is incredible. Not sure how prog it is. To my ears it is sort of Crimson-heavy.

― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 24 August 2012 17:41 (8 months ago) Permalink

I'm just glad to see The Nice get some credit; they weren't really a great band or even really a good one, but the fact that they're unheard of is ridiculous

― frogbs, Monday, 27 August 2012 00:58 (8 months ago) Permalink

mahavishnu is fusion not prog IMO

― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 August 2012 23:42 (8 months ago) Permalink

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 27 August 2012 23:46 (8 months ago) Permalink

fusion as well but whatvr

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 27 August 2012 23:46 (8 months ago) Permalink

mahavishnu is fusion not prog IMO

funny because my jazz snob dad wrote them off as too prog. obv they are "fusion" as far as record store bins are concerned, but imo they are only about 11% less prog than 1974 era king crimson

― Dominique, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 06:06 (8 months ago) Permalink

i have this thread to thank for my new name.

― pastoral mellotron soaked epic gnome and wizard shit (get bent), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 06:21 (8 months ago) Permalink

i'm not really sure how to classify Mahavishnu either but it's clear that prog fans are like their #1 audience and that jazz dudes aren't really keen on them

― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:20 (8 months ago) Permalink

yeah but marsalis/crouch jazz snobs think everything after bitches brew and ornette is basically insane clown posse

― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:56 (8 months ago) Permalink

Seconding this, the writeups are really good too.

― B-Boy Bualadh Bos (ecuador_with_a_c), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:58 (8 months ago) Permalink

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