Kenna: what happened?

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So I was listening to the Kenna disc for the first time in a while, and I thought to myself: why the heck wasn't this a hit? Produced by a Neptune, great video, etc. Like a lot of people I remember when I first saw the "Hell Bent" clip and found it really moving. That was maybe summer of '01, and then the album finally shows up in '03 (I think), with little hoopla. Does anyone know the whole story? Why the hop from label to label? Did Sony (I think) just drop the ball, or did the disc simply fall by the wayside? Did Kenna tour? Did anyone catch him live? Has anyone interviewed him?

(BTW, am I the only one who thinks the Kenna disc has a lot in common with this year's TV on the Radio disc? Or at least exactly how I might imagine TV on the Radio would sound produced by the Neptunes.)

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 17 May 2004 01:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

am I the only one who thinks the Kenna disc has a lot in common with this year's TV on the Radio disc?

Perhaps. (I think Kenna is spiff and TV on the Radio not spiff.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 01:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

I do wish I had caught him last summer, though -- he was opening for Dave Gahan, which actually must have been one great double-bill. Regrettably, Dave and company pitched the ticket prices a little too high for my blood.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 01:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

I know why nothing happened!!!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 01:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's because Katatonia loved him and he's been recruited to help out on their new album.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 01:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

No, No, That's not it at all, Ned. Do you really want me to tell you why nothing happened? It's because that album was horrible!!!!!!

Okay, now I'll go away.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's because that album was horrible!!!!!!

I'll need a Rosetta Stone to translate this. (Not the band Rosetta Stone, thanks.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

How did you know I loved Rosetta Stone?

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

Their electro-bubblegum version of Sunshine Of Your Love is amazing.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

You frighten me. That said, I've not heard that song in particular, which I'm sure is the best thing they ever did (or at least the most honest cover, as opposed to all the other covers they forgot to add A. Eldritch to in the writing credits).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Holy shit, was he in Rosetta Stone!!! You are shitting me. Are you talking about the wannabe-Rollers band with bad haircuts?!!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

...wait a minute. We are talking about two different bands here. I'm talking about the ass-end of goth fuckups who worshipped the Sisters to the point they even used the same crumbling font style for the band name!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh god, you scared me. No, I'm talking about ugly brit teens who made sub-sweet/rollers pop rock. But that one cover is excellent. Like Giorgio Moroder working with a bubble-glam kiddy band.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

You can't deny it, you're only hiding from love.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

But that one cover is excellent. Like Giorgio Moroder working with a bubble-glam kiddy band.

Ah, well that sounds great!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

actually though
Kenna's album sounds like
Moroder/Sweet mash=up

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

I remember buying the tape of First & last & Always when it came out and getting mad that they ripped off Joy Division so much.Cuz I was so rabid for JD. Now I wish I had a copy to listen to. Their cover of Gimme Shelter is still a fave of mine.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

I really couldn't stand the Kenna album. I wanted to like it so much. Neptunes! New Wave! Come on! But it sounded so wrong to me. Just wrong I tell you. I had a very visceral reaction to it. Which doesn't happen often to me.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

me too

mullygrubber (gaz), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Well you're both freaks and I hate you so ner.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

I had a very visceral reaction to it. Which doesn't happen often to me.

could've fooled me!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

I remember when I first saw the "Hell Bent" clip and found it really moving.

I liked 'More' without the crappy, inappropriate musical backing.

Xii (Xii), Monday, 17 May 2004 03:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

So I guess the only thing that happened is that Scott didn't like it, so it flopped? Oh, the power he must wield! Kind of like "Scanners" only with records/careers instead of exploding heads.

Regardless, suckiness is rarely a key facet of failure when it comes to pop music. In fact, if a lot of people on ILM think it sucks that's all the more reason I'm surprised Kenna didn't make a bigger splash. Then again, per Scott, I can't imagine anyone having a visceral reaction to the Kenna disc, pro or con, which may be why it didn't connect. Or maybe it was because he got stuck opening for Dave Gahan.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

That album is one of the best things I bought last year (and I'd downloaded probably 85% of it two years prior). "Sunday After You" and "Vexed And Glorious" are flat-out amazing.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

its cos ethiopian-american guys making new wavey records with the philipino, non-pharrell half of the neptunes are a hard sale.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, if Pharrell had jacked off on that record it would have gone platinum.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

if pharrell gave one of his pubic hairs away with each CD it would have gone diamond in a day.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Monday, 17 May 2004 12:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

"ethiopian-american guys making new wavey records with the philipino, non-pharrell half of the neptunes are a hard sell"

Actually, this sounds like a sell and a half! You would think that much alone would certainly boost the buzz factor above, say, nil or nearly nil.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

basically the first label deal with Fred Durst's imprint didn't work out, tons of delays, so Fred let Kenna out his contract and he jumped over to Columbia I think, but by the time the album actually dropped it was a full year and a half after the buzz from "Hell Bent" had died down. I never saw the "Freetime" video, although I imagine it got some MTV2 play. the next single/video was supposed to be a remix of "Sunday After You" but I never saw a video or heard the remix anywhere. last I heard he and Chad were already working on the next album, hopefully that one will be as good and get better promotion.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

i tried to interview kenna when his CD finally got released through sony but his publicist was all enthuasiam, no efficiency. i hope he makes it to album two.

thesplooge (thesplooge), Monday, 17 May 2004 14:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

Second album on the way, apparently. There is a single, apparently, which was used in a PSP commercial? I have not seen the commercial but I like the song.

I wish I could fire his publicist/agent/all of them FOR him because he should be much bigger than this. I wouldn't have even known about the new album if I hadn't been listening to Mark Ronson (lol) and thought "hey, is that Kenna guy still around?"

Will M., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

The 3 new Kenna songs I've heard aren't anywhere near the quality that ran throughout the first album. Maybe the deep cuts will be better? Hope so.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah, the tracks I heard on his MySpace page and elsewhere weren't very encouraging, nor is the news that Chad and Kenna are working on the new Ashlee Simpson album.

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

does Kenna post as DaBug?

deej, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

he has actually posted on ILM! on another thread where i made fun of him.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, you meanie.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

If you listen closely you will hear the frequency that i put the messages on.

no one will hear my true intent if they are closed to the truth.

its never about the music.

its about the intent.

pay attention

dont miss the plot.

kk

-- KENNA, Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:06 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

we have GOT to get kenna together with marissa. i hear wedding bells!

-- scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:18 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

i should have revived THAT thread, not this one. heh.

Will M., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

also, whaaaaaaat was dude talking about :(

Will M., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

guy who writes elliptically dramatic lyrics in writing elliptically dramatic message board post shocker

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 18:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

i bet he's really into yoga and other thing that invole his "chi"

funny farm, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 19:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

Actually people who weren't born here or in Europe have a special immunity to getting all excited about "life-changing ancient Asian practice" stuff.

nabisco, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 19:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

new one's out

shall i bother

r|t|c, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 21:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

it was on rhapsody's front page so i listened to some of it, boring. i'll trust yall to sift through singles or whatever. never heard of kenna before.

tremendoid, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 21:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

I have it on my computer, but haven't listened. Will report back.

The Reverend, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 22:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

I like it, at least on first listen, though probably not as much as the first. One of the Pharrell tracks (the one that isn't the single) is almost amazingly awful even by his current standards, mostly because Kenna is singing typical yelpy Skateboard P lyrics without dropping that fake Brit accent.

Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 23:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

This album isn't life-changing or anything but I really, really, really like it a lot. There's a lot in what Kena does that panders directly to my musical tastes (lots of overdubbed vocal harmonies, surrealistic lyrical imagery, strong melodic impetus, lots of suspended chords, etc).

I recommend it but I'm pretty much genetically predispositioned towards things like it.

HI DERE, Friday, 26 October 2007 20:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

This is very bright and shiny.

The Reverend, Saturday, 15 December 2007 09:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think I like it a lot.

The Reverend, Saturday, 15 December 2007 09:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

:-)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 December 2007 15:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

The story of Kenna's big-name supporters, test marketing, and ultimate lack of record sales is covered by a whole chapter in Malcolm Gladwell's book, Blink, titled "The Kenna Dilemma."

gr8080, Saturday, 15 December 2007 15:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ironic emo-crunk band name, 2030.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 December 2007 15:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

I really like this record a lot, but then again I would. Same with New Sacred Cow. Actually makes me want to read Blink.

Dimension 5ive, Saturday, 15 December 2007 15:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

Gladwell's argument seems to rest entirely on the fact that nobody knows more about what'd sell in the contemporary pop marketplace than Fred Durst. It's not a very good argument.

Dom Passantino, Saturday, 15 December 2007 15:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN-ysBuRVQA

I like this, its gotta a "soulless in LA" vibe to it.

Looks like a bad trip at a Roxy Cottontail party.

Siah Alan, Thursday, 27 December 2007 11:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

pretty sure this made it on my top ten singles list, great song

Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 27 December 2007 14:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

that song is OK but I think I would've preferred if Pharrell never touched the album, the other song he co-wrote is horrific.

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 27 December 2007 14:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

"Better Wise Up" is one of my favorite songs of 2007.

HI DERE, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 21:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

I need to listen to the album again.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 21:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

What happened? Well, he spent too much time taking pictures of abandoned children and before you knew it, he was secretly photographing children behind inflatable moon rooms.

Oh, wait. It's Kenna you're talking about.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 21:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

Abandoned churches. Fucked up my "joke".

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 21:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

As opposed to just enough time taking pictures of abandoned children.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 21:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, hadn't heard this. Seems like a big departure from his previous tortured gothy sound.

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 21:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

Kenna fucked up the Pavement disc.server board once. We all logged in one day to find a picture of this dude spread out before a sunrise or some shit.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 22:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

sigh, this dude should have been inescapable

as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Freetime" is so so great.

Euler, Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

If he'd made another album as good as New Sacred Cow, he might've been.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

he's had a really weird mix of projects as a writer/producer/remixer the last couple years (JoJo, Ashlee Simpson, Kings of Leon, Wiley, Lupe Fiasco, the Cool Kids, Mae, William Orbit, Mark Ronson, Fort Minor), no idea if anything good's come of it all but i'm glad he's keeping busy, supposedly a new album's coming in 2010.

some dude, Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

that is a weird mix of projects

hood acumen (The Reverend), Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

If he'd made another album as good as New Sacred Cow, he might've been.

He did! No one listened to either of them, though.

as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

Zuh?! "Either" of them? I only knew of Make Sure They See My Face!

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh DUDE you have to grab New Sacred Cow NOW

as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I should probably listen to MSTSMF again, but I don't remember it being anywhere near as good as New Sacred Cow.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

I was pleasantly surprised by his second album (got it used for cheap), and there's an excellent run from track 3-6. Dan's OTM too, "Better Wise Up" is like some sort of Radiohead pop hip-hop thing, it's great. That's awesome to hear he's still doing a lot of projects, I was wondering what happened to him. That list seems to suit him, he's got a weird set of influences to his music as well.

Vinnie, Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

jon, check this out:

(click through to view)

This is the first song he ever put out and basically, since hearing it, I've wanted to have dude's sonic babies.

as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

I finally saw that short somewhere without the Kenna track on top and it just didn't seem right.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

also to build on what Vinnie said, "Better Wise Up" - "Be Still" - "Wide Awake" was probably my favorite song sequence of 2007

as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Thursday, 8 October 2009 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

i was underwhelmed by the album of his that i had, but this is still hell of great

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2009 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

No no, I think I misread something. I have, and deeply adore, both New Sacred Cow and Let Them See My Face. I was referring to this exchange:

If he'd made another album as good as New Sacred Cow, he might've been.

He did! No one listened to either of them, though.

― as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:49 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

My tired brain interpreted that as a reference to two follow ups, hence my confusion. Thought maybe there was a "lost album" or something.

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 October 2009 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

ah no, I just meant both albums were awesome but only 6 people actually heard them

as strikingly artificial and perfect as a wizard's cap (HI DERE), Thursday, 8 October 2009 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I got that now. I'm totally in agreement. I went through a mini Kenna spurt the other night and I think I really turned my wife on to him.

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 October 2009 21:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

I didn't know Kenna worked on that Ashlee song too, but I knew Santi did. If they'd join forces again with a better artist, the world would be a better place.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 October 2009 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

"Sunday After You" owns pretty hard, huh

lift this towel, its just a nipple (HI DERE), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yup.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 15:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Gladwell's argument seems to rest entirely on the fact that nobody knows more about what'd sell in the contemporary pop marketplace than Fred Durst

Haha the book did a great job making him sound uninteresting. "Despite being given an award by Vh-1, scoring loads of play on MTV2, being loved by both Fred Durst and U2's manager, Kenna never made it. His two biggest influences being early 80s pop and hip-hop..."

I kept reading the chapter thinking "The world doesn't need a hip-hop U2." but I'll see if I can give it a listen sometime, since you guys have been raving about him.

Cunga, Sunday, 27 December 2009 03:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

So this dude's debut probably would have done well in the dubstep era, huh?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:12 (6 months ago) Permalink

or in 1990

Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:13 (6 months ago) Permalink

He picked the perfect poor timing!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:19 (6 months ago) Permalink

http://open.spotify.com/track/1JGx2sXe7S5ygmWPtXjWYD

I didn't even know this had happened

Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:21 (6 months ago) Permalink

oh that just dropped like a week ago, i linked it on the Neptunes poll: The Official ILM THE NEPTUNES Poll (#27 In Series) - Voting & Campaigning Thread (VOTING STILL OPEN) (I've been encouraging ppl to vote for Kenna on there, "Freetime" has been the rough consensus song to rally around but obv there are lots of great tracks)

he also dropped an EP earlier this year called Land 2 Air Chronicles but i like "Long Gone" more than anything on that

my mansplain songz (some dude), Tuesday, 23 October 2012 21:33 (6 months ago) Permalink


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