John Waite (Babys, Bad English, solo): C or D?

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Am I the only person who sometimes is afraid to put on headphones late at night, lest I miss an ex-girlfriend knocking on my door?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 April 2004 17:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

And is there anybody else who needs a midnight rendezous?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 April 2004 17:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

rendez-vous. sorry.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 April 2004 17:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Missing You" rules.
Otherwise, I'll take a pass.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 April 2004 17:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

I've actually never heard any solo material aside from "Missing You" but I used to have the Baby's Anthology which has two or three pretty great rockers, including "Midnight Rendezvous" which is about spending time together and making dreams come true with a midnight rendezvous.

When I was a kid more often than not "When I See You Smile" was Casey Kasem's Dedication song. In the video two of the band members do a nifty handshake where they reach past each other and shake each other's ANKLES. The image is permanently etched in my memory.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can only vaguely remember more of his 80's solo stuff (other than MY) and I figured there must be a reason for that. The Bad English period was the stuff of nightmares, one could easily make the Pitchforkian Rockist argument that "grunge had to happen to save us from the drippy power ballad crap perpetrated by bands such as Bad English" (if one were inclined to making those sorts of arguments, I'm not, I just didn't like BE).

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

yeah Pearl Jam had to rescue us with power ballads with songs like "Jeremy" and "Black."

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:09 (10 years ago) Permalink

haha a typo that actually works!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Touche, that's why I don't make those sorts of arguments.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Babys "Isn't it Time" vs Firefall "Strange Ways". Former has a better singer and more uplifting chorus but the latter's got the jazz bit. I loved both of these as a kid but then "Lido Shuffle" turned me on to stoner rock and I never looked back.

dave q, Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

Fuck that bullshit, I just wanna know how John Waite was able to SHATTER that phone.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 April 2004 18:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

Pink and Xtina must've stolen that "shatter things in anger before the final big chorus in your hit video" from John Waite!

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 April 2004 19:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

I found the Babys' ANTHOLOGY left at a chalet I was staying at in northern Michigan back when I was in college. I dug it out recently and was pleasantly surprised that there were indeed a couple good songs other than "Head First".

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Sunday, 25 April 2004 00:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

This is what I love most about ilx, people bringing artists up that I just don't think of very often. I remember seeing albums by the Babys in the store way back when. Was always a bit curious about what they might have sounded like. Don't remember what Bad English sounded like either. Perhaps I should investigate this stuff, just for a laugh.

bimble (bimble), Sunday, 25 April 2004 02:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Change" from his first solo record is some amazine power pop. One of those songs that GBV should have written.

HS

Hector Savage, Sunday, 25 April 2004 12:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

i know nufink about the babies. bad english was dreadful.

"missing you" was pretty great, though.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 25 April 2004 22:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hector painfully OTM. "Head First" also quite fine. "Isn't It Time" is funny. "Missing You" and "When I See You Smile" give me indigestion.

J (Jay), Sunday, 25 April 2004 23:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

the Babys are the shiznit. After that everything went pear-shaped (except for the Waite mullet)

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Monday, 26 April 2004 02:45 (10 years ago) Permalink

but the john waite mullet was but a patch on the steve perry mullet!

we MUST start a rock 'n' roller mullet thread, sometime.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 26 April 2004 02:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

"Missing You" roxorz, everything else is ennnh

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Monday, 26 April 2004 03:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

The video for "Change" (a cocainey Faustian narrative regarding a feathered haired model-wannabe who ends up taking a window dive after she failed to take advice from a bedenimed Waite) is also the stuff of genius.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 April 2004 12:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

Hey Anthony, did I ever tell you about the time that I gave a Bad English album a mere "B" in Ent Wkly, and John Waite wrote me a note THANKING you. It wasn't even a B+! It was sweet, but pathetic, sort of, and made me kind of sad. I obviously, as I would assume you know, love pretty much all the Babys hits, and defintely "Missing You" (one of the great singles of the '80s, MUCH better than the Police or Puff Daddy versions) and "Change" (from the Vision Quest soundtrack..)

chuck, Monday, 26 April 2004 15:15 (10 years ago) Permalink

wait, he wrote me a note thanking ME, not you. duh...

chuck, Monday, 26 April 2004 15:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love in "Missing You" when he yells "I been lying to myself!", completely spelling out the point of the song and breaking character, thus convincing us of his (John Waite the singer's) absolute sincerity EVEN MORE.

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:41 (10 years ago) Permalink

or else it's just a bad ad-lib...

dr. phil (josh langhoff), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:43 (10 years ago) Permalink


he wrote me a note thanking ME

God, that's sort've tragic.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:51 (10 years ago) Permalink

I hadn't heard about that, Chuck. That's amazing.

I need to see this "Change" video bad.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 26 April 2004 19:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

omigod "Change" is great.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 15:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'll always have a soft spot for "Isn't It Time"...saw the Babys back in the late 70's, opening up for Alice Cooper...I recall they seemed pretty "glammy" at the time...

henry s, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 15:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

The video for "Change" (a cocainey Faustian narrative regarding a feathered haired model-wannabe who ends up taking a window dive after she failed to take advice from a bedenimed Waite) is also the stuff of genius.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, April 26, 2004 8:33 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=C5O4ZGbWKaM

Eisbär (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 12:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Am I the only person who sometimes is afraid to put on headphones late at night, lest I miss an ex-girlfriend knocking on my door?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, April 24, 2004 1:51 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark

sometimes miccio was 1,000% OTM

Eisbär (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 12:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Sometimes a burger, a car, and a girl are all you need.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 6 February 2009 01:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

John Waite's been done all right over the past few years. He was the best part of the video in his duet over "Missing You" with Allison Kraus. There have been an assortment of anthologies released covering his stuff, all of them pretty good. Even The Babys records got deluxe re-release treatment. My favorites were always the first two but Union Jacks is also much better than fair, particularly for the title track, about being banged up to the old Bill, much less known than "Midnight Rendezvous," the single.

I saw Bad English when they were headliners in a theater packed mostly with screaming teenage girls. They would have definitely been perfect as a Disney network band, even with all the geezers in the act. They had that sound well before the Jonas Brothers, Miley/Hannah Montana, Demi Lovato, etc.

Gorge, Friday, 6 February 2009 03:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

The video for "Change" (a cocainey Faustian narrative regarding a feathered haired model-wannabe who ends up taking a window dive after she failed to take advice from a bedenimed Waite) is also the stuff of genius.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, April 26, 2004 5:33 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark

Barely sung first verse, muted guitar, insistent drums, tinkly piano, male/female backing vox, huge singalong chorus and the Big Slamming Guitar Riff all within the first 60 seconds. Power pop at its finest.

Chris Barrus (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 6 February 2009 05:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

Went out for lunch in a foul mood..."When I See You Smile" started playing out of nowhere and for some random reason just totally made my day. Who knew?

VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 21:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

It made you smile.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 21:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes. Song delivers!

VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 21:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

I heard it the other day out shopping as well. I can't get over how he looked at the time:

Because I'd been so used to him looking like this:

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 22:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Also:

omigod "Change" is great.

My sis has said numerous times, on various occasions, in front of many witnesses, that we're to play this very, very loud at her funeral whenever the time comes. It is a slightly strange experience to be barrelling down a street in San Francisco in a crammed VW with her at the wheel blasting this out on the stereo.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 22:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

the slow-mo's of him tossing his hair in the 'When I See You Smile' video are lololol

VegemiteGrrl, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 22:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm amazed by how well "Missing You" has held up: such an amazing vocal and performance.

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 22:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...

Obviously a real singer and I would not diss. I could hate the 80s singles but they're far better than any number of shit bar bands working at the time.

โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Colored on TV! (Mount Cleaners), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

"i hear your name in certain circles and it always makes me smile"

idk what it is about that line that gets me

dyl, Monday, 2 June 2014 06:33 (4 months ago) Permalink


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