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classic or dud
search and destroy

i can't believe this one hasn't been done yet.

― gareth, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I agree, Gareth - I've meant to do it myself. But forgive me for saying that C/D and S/D may not be the most interesting approach. Even people who hate the sound of Suede (and their number is legion) may well agree that they were 'significant'. So - I think there's a discussion to be had that's not particularly about how much we like / dislike them (and I'm sure your contribution will be grate).

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

It's been done enough in other threads, though.

I would've liked their 2nd album lots if it weren't so damn over the top AND stupid. Brett Anderson should not trill. From what I've heard after that rekkid, he hasn't improved much. The music was quite agreeable, though (if a bit grandiose and grandiose).

― David Raposa, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I heard Brett sing unaccompanied once, GAWD was it ever funny!!! Unlike Bernard Butler's solo 'songs', which are just so fucking stupid and boring that they retrospectively put me off the first two Suede albums, never mind the recent ones which are fucking stupid and boring but almost funny. "Wild Ones" and "Stay Together" are great though!

― dave q, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

anyone here care to suggest that brett has ever written a good lyric?

― Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Did "Still Life" rip off Ravel? I have the song sorta stuck in my head now, and I SWEAR there was an obvious classical music motif/movement they ripped off outright from some really obvious source.

― David Raposa, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

If anyone dares suggest Brett can write a good lyric, I will laugh at them. Here's how you write a Suede song, throw the words "nuclear" and "shaking" and "machine" into every single verse, the more inexplicable the chorus the better.

That all being said, Suede are both classic and dud. Suede with Bernie were absolutely fantastic (despite godawful production), dogmanstar was one of my favorite albums for ages. Then Bernie left. Brett's voice has gotten continually worse (which would've happened with or without Bernie, just very convenient it happened when it did), and the song structures are not as good. They've become a parody of themselves. Though the dance mix of Everything Will Flow is fantastic.

Search: The first two albums, Stay Together EP

Destroy: Neil Codling.

― Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

What Ally said, 'cept I actually like the production on the first two records.

― Andy, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I really liked "on the high wire, dressed in a leotard/there wobbles one hell of a retard." And "he writes the line wrote down my spine/It says 'oh do you believe in love there?' " always gave me a little shiver. So go ahead and laugh, Ally and Alan, I can take it. I'm with you on everything else you said, Ally.

― Arthur, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm not really that familiar with them, just the really popular songs that get played at Britpop nights, like "Trash." One of those bands that rip off their predecessors (Bowie) so well that I can't help but enjoy them -- but wouldn't spend much money on them, either.

But they do a cover of Elvis Costello's "Shipbuilding" that I absolutely love, probably more so than the original. It's shorter, less subtle, and very glam, but great because of that .. check it out, if you're a Suede afficionado.

― Chris, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

DESTROY ALL RECORDS BY SUEDE YOU EVER COME ACROSS

― alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Destroy: Neil Codling.

Most unfair, he's left the band too. ;-) I always appreciated his Louche Bastard nature on stage.

Anyway, I'm hardly neutral in this, as I fired up the Suede fan mailing list six years back and have stuck with it ever since. They've definitely had their ups and downs, but I still like 'em -- still, the new album really does need to do better than the last. Right now I'm looking forward to the DVD video collection, and they just played in Portugal and apparently did a great job.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

You need the word "animal" too, Ally.

I think : Bernard-era - not very good at all. Bad production, bad Bowie impersonation from Anderson and as everyone agrees, mainly dire words. "To the Birds" (B-side of The Drowners) is ace though.

"Coming Up" - similar production, slightly worse songs, a few good hooks - overall the sound of wheels spinning.

"Head Music" - Their best. Inessential, but likeable.

As for Pinefox's question about significance - I'd say not, at least not in any definition of 'significance' that I recognize. They were/are a competent glam-rock band for the 90's who failed to transcend their all-too-obvious influences (Bowie/Steve Harley/Roxy).

― Dr. C, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I love them. Even their b-sides collection is ace. "Head Music" is their worst tho, in my opinion. I hope there's a new one soon, and hope it's better than "Head Music".

― Sean, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

A couple of observations. David their second album is great precisely because it's over the top, grandiose and stupid. If this is the sound of a band falling apart then more bands should do it. It's one of Elton John's favourites, which ordinarily would be enough to bury it in lava but I'm with Reg on this one.

The beautiful ones has the best lyrics of any song written in the 90's.

― Billy Dods, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm back to say their debut may be one of my favorite albums ever. Love the third one, too.

Anyone heard Bernard's solo LP? It was so boring and bland I wanted to fling it in the garbage; traded it in for a couple bucks instead.

― Sean, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

His solo LPs are terrible, why did he do that? He can't sing you know.

― Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

He actually carried off fairly well live, but that was an unplugged show and he wasn't straining very much. But yes, when I first heard him sing, I thought it was a bit of a reach...

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Hardcore Suede fans tend to = dud though, I know a few and they're embarassing.

― DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I see, you hate me, DG. *cries*

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Not you, you silly Raggetty person. People who I know who sign their emails "The one and only trash pop slut", that kind of thing.

― DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Suede were great. My 90s band. Since I missed Moz/Marr & Co in the 80s, Suede had to compensate... Awesome live, if you dig that kind of "You love us and We know it" performances. Meeting them was great. Brett chatted up my girlfriend, and I chatted up Brett. Those were lovely times. I really do believe it is one of the best examples of "love em or hate em" one can think of.
I never played "Head Music" in its entirety, note. But the singles up to and including "She's in fashion" are great. And cd1 of "Lullabies", obviously. And "Stay Together"... Is better than "Whatever"!

― Simon, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Back in the day I was a downright slavering fanatic, which seems a bit sad in retrospect. Their first four or five singles were absolutely flawless, with nary a dud on them. Everything else up through and including Comiing Up has tended to be patchy, though there's still some good songs to be found.

That said, Head Music was the absolute end for me. It was painfully dull, and the lyrics were so beyond the pale it just seemed ludicrous to keep listening. I tried liking it (in fact I still sort of like Can't Get Enough), but in the end I've lost all affection for them.

Still, I'd probably get the dvd if it wasn't Region 2 encoding.

― Nicole, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Suede, the Bauhaus of the 90s (the lyrics, the bowie-isms, the hysteria?, maybe better on the music side, but then Brett&co didn't record a standard like Bela Lugosi's Dead...

― erik, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Insignificant. The fake-gay flip-side of Oasis. But as with Oasis capable of some great songs. I like 'Animal Nitrate', for that tagged- on wank-solo, 'Saturday Night' and 'Beautiful Ones'. Also liked: those hilarious Brett love-handles and Neil Codling was just a classic beautiful "me, I'm very bored" English boy.

― Omar, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

significant. wow, i get to disagree with Omar! now, i typed a fairly long answer to this, which seems to have disappeared. so a truncated answer will suffice.

i agree with Ally that they became a parody, well rather a facsimile of themselves around Coming Up

i disagree with Ally saying this is a bad thing. For me Coming Up is the best album they did. it has an ease, an effortless, like the pressure to be grandiose a la DMS had been lifted. By The Sea, The Chemistry Between Us absoultely superb. Beautiful Ones and Trash great singles. i like the spangly shinyness of this album, which wasn't present on the earlier stuff. in this way i like to think of it as an anglo Hit To Death In The Future Head. Ilike the fact that Bernard had gone by this point. the adding of Codling - a good move. it is suede being themselves. a parody? yes, possibly. i want to say 'trite in a good way' here. i want to say Bretts singing is very good on this album.

to be honest, this is the only one i play regularly. but Dog Man Star very good too. in places. Wild Ones, New Generation, 2 of us in particular. daddys speeding too. it is grandiose, but i think they aimed high, and only partially succeeded. still, some great stuff on there though.

they seem to have escaped the 90s pretty much unscathed though. in comparison to their contemporaries anyway. but then, who are their contemporaries. surely we're not suggesting blur, supergrass and oasis are we? i do hope not. Pulp, yes maybe. but they have become too closely identified with Different Class. they are unable to escape that moment, it signifies a moment too closely. post DC they have been dirgeful.

i am interested in whether the pinefox is a Suede fan. this seems unlikely, but then his liking of oasis and non-love of nick drake was also surprising.

― gareth, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

How were they significant, Gareth? They didn't change anything, for better or worse. They didn't do anything which hadn't been done (better) before. You might say they were very good, not that I agree, but significant? No.

― Dr. C, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I find them well-nigh unbearable now. Dog Man Star is a record I honestly don't think I could ever physically sit through again, even for money. Honestly, there's fuck-all difference between them and Placebo. Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots. But like a lot of people I fell for it at the time - now I'm prouder of once being into Carter USM, frankly.

― Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

For me the magic has worn off and left a lot of rusty glitter. That much is true. No, they don't mean what they did. And so, no, the listening experience is not what it was. (I was never a Fan, wearing the togs, believing the hype, or anything - but I did respect the music, and close-up, live, they were sweatily astounding.)

But I did think them significant. I think they represented a union of 'indie world' and 'media hype' - of alternative and mainstream, more simply - which seems natural now but was genuinely strange then. They did on (retrospectively) a homely scale what Oasis then went and did on an absurd scale. In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

I also think they had good material, and good musicianship. The first LP was a fine debut, but DMS beat it - it was a remarkable record, a masterpiece, within the Suede perspective. If you don't like that 'world' (lyrics, sound etc) then it's just an ugly folly, I daresay, but if you do (as to an extent I did when it came out) it felt like a very major achievement. Better, I'd still say, than Different Class, This Is Hardcore, The Great Escape, Be Here Now and a bunch of other Britpop behemoths. (But not necessarily better than, for instance, Parklife - another record I view as Significant.)

― the pinefox, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Can we not just forget about this silly little band? Were they really influential? I can't imagine they were. Maybe in some narrow field of idiocy.

― Nick, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

THE DROWNERS IS THE BEST SONG EVER, WHY HAS NO ONE MENTIONED THIS YET?

― Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Nick just doesn't want people to be reminded of the fact he looks like Neil Codling.

― Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

That’s it, you had to get into their “perspective”, their “Suedeworld”.

I loved the flashness of Coming Up when it came along in the autumn of 96. You just had to admire Anderson’s survivalist instincts despite it being obvious they were never to be centre stage again. It had a cetain romance about it. They went for that deliberately cold, robotic, and mechanized sound with Head Music but what initially to me sounded brilliant soon wore away after a few weeks – it was the Suede LP that was stranded without context.

Saw them from speaker distance in the 100 club between their first 2 singles at the height of the hype and it was fantastic esp. after spending the summer at lank haired grunge gigs. I remember some of the radio interviews around the time of the DMS release. Brett seemed fucked out of it from the drugs but the album seemed like a strange but necessary anomaly in those last months of 1994 amongst the explosion of jungle, trip hop and Loaded culture. Anderson might have been an asshole but rather him than the whining and supercilious musoness of Butler.

Fave songs: The Chemistry Between Us, Wild Ones,

― David Gunnip, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I actually own The Drowners.

But THEN I SAW SENSE

― Nick, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

That was around the time Sense and Sensibility came out, wasn't it? Gotta love that Hugh Grant...

― Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Pinefox: In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

yes, i believe pinefox is correct here. although curiously i'm not sure whether they reaped the benefit of this or not (i suppose they sold a lot of records).

Tom: Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots.

i'm not necessarily convinced of this. why should glamour/decadence be the above? i kind of like the fact that it was a bit faux in that respect. i think of the 'shtick' as being people from seaside towns looking towards metropolis as being exciting and glamourous, rather than glamourous itself. i think this removal, a slight distance if you will, lends it the english quality, as also seen in the obvious comparisons (tindersticks, the bowie of 'london boys', smiths) and also perhaps the less obvious (the sundays - although i'm not sure how i would articulate what i mean here), which for example the lumbering plod of oasis or blur could never hope to achieve.

the production (esp the drums) reminds me in a way of happy mondays (i think it is the big echoey drums, there is an 80s-ness about that)
― The one and only trash pop slut, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Pinefox: In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

yes, i believe pinefox is correct here. although curiously i'm not sure whether they reaped the benefit of this or not (i suppose they sold a lot of records).

Tom: Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots.

i'm not necessarily convinced of this. why should glamour/decadence be the above? i kind of like the fact that it was a bit faux in that respect. i think of the 'shtick' as being people from seaside towns looking towards metropolis as being exciting and glamourous, rather than glamourous itself. i think this removal, a slight distance if you will, lends it the english quality, as also seen in the obvious comparisons (tindersticks, the bowie of 'london boys', smiths) and also perhaps the less obvious (the sundays - although i'm not sure how i would articulate what i mean here), which for example the lumbering plod of oasis or blur could never hope to achieve.

the production (esp the drums) reminds me in a way of happy mondays (i think it is the big echoey drums, there is an 80s-ness about that)

― the one and only trash pop slut, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Why, Gareth? Well because if it isn't then what's the difference between 'glamour' like wot Brett did and 'piling on the slap and getting off your face' like wot everyone in Ritzys nightclub does?

― Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

There are different types of glamour and different types of attitude; not all glamour can be Marilyn Monroe; some of it needs to be Patsy & Edina.

I mean, just think of it this way, Brett looked less Instant Decadance than the Manics did. I mean, talk about putting any old clap on and then pretending to be fabulous, lordy.

NICK YOU HAVE NO SENSE.

― Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I luv Gareth, if the real bloke who signs himself 'the one and only trash pop slut' saw that, he'd be SO pissed off.

― DG, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

"The Drowners" is my favorite single of the early 90s. Maybe favorite 90s single, period, I'll have to think about that.

― A Homosexual Who's Had Several Bisexual Experiences, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

To the twelve-year old jamesmichaelward, Stay Together was one of the bestest things ever.

― jamesmichaelward, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Stay Together was beautiful.

So what does everyone think of the McAlmont & Butler album then?

― Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I really liked it -- McAlmont is a great singer and performer. BB was a mentalist to think people would rather listen to his irritating weedy voice than McAlmont or Brett.

― Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

"McAlmont and Butler" is fantastic. How the hell did Bernard Butler get from that to....ugh...whatever he did afterwards?

― Norman Phay, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

'Animal Nitrate' was their best song I thought. I want to know whether other people thought that was their best song.

― maryann, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Of course it's amazing. Some days I prefer "Metal Mickey".

― Sean, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

"What does it take to turn you on...?!" is one the best phrases in pop.

― Simon, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

But they do a cover of Elvis Costello's "Shipbuilding" that I absolutely love, probably more so than the original.
No way Chris. The one and only version of "Shipbuilding" is and will always be Robert Wyatt's. But nevertheless it is probably the best song Brett Anderson has ever sung. ;-)

― alex in mainhattan, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Brett Anderson as shipbuilder = too great a leap of imagination

― Nick, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

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Always makes me think of London Fog, though.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 00:58 (2 months ago) Permalink

I like The British Suede and think they should be called that everywhere all the time. See also: The Chelmsford Squarepusher, The British Bolt Thrower, Morrissey UK and Anglo-Blur.

― Doran, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 08:42 (2 months ago) Permalink

At least the US band the Charlatans was fairly popular and still shows up frequently on '60s psych-pop comps; I've never heard of the American Suede except in regard to the legal tussle with the popular British band.

― Lee626, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 10:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

Is this a thing? For some reason all these "XYZ UK" bands are all late 80s - early 90s

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 10:55 (2 months ago) Permalink

xpost That's why I think it's hilarious, that some DC area folk singer that no one has heard of forced Suede to change its name in the US.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 12:45 (2 months ago) Permalink

xp - oops I meant: is this STILL a thing?

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 13:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

this sounds good but pluralizing "bloodsport" is simply terrible

― not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 13:56 (2 months ago) Permalink

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 15:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

pluralising sport is simply terrible

― glumdalclitch, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 15:45 (2 months ago) Permalink

It should be pluralized "spurts."

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 15:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

Bloodspurts.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 15:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

bloodsports is usually plural isn't it? (at least in UK)

― Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 15:54 (2 months ago) Permalink

Bloodmaths.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 16:19 (2 months ago) Permalink

Joining the chorus of this being surprising good.

― MikoMcha, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:52 (2 months ago) Permalink

ditto. Not sure about the final couple of tracks though, give me more like 'it starts and ends with you'

― kinder, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:58 (2 months ago) Permalink

ROBBIE WILLIAMS SPEAKS OUT ABOUT BRETT ANDERSON
http://www.robbiewilliams.com/news-blogs/just-musing-a-supposed-brett-anderson-quote
THEN THANKS HIM
http://www.robbiewilliams.com/news-blogs/thank-you-brett

― 'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 23:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

The only negative is that Suede remain the band most likely to make you think your speakers are fucked. Someone should have turned the reverb down just a notch.
― Eyeball Kicks, Monday, March 18, 2013 9:09 PM (4 days ago)

I've also never heard such a bad mastering job. The clipping on tracks 8 and 10, especially, is nuts.

― Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 22 March 2013 15:28 (2 months ago) Permalink

PLEASE SAY HELLO TO YOUR DRUMMER
HE WAS CONSISTENTLY LOVELY WITH ME

is the drummer the gay one?

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 March 2013 15:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

is the drummer the gay one?

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, March 22, 2013 3:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup!

Still very much enjoying this album!

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 22 March 2013 17:09 (2 months ago) Permalink

consistently lovely with me

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 March 2013 17:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

I've got two of the bonus tracks, but the Japanese-only one and the 7" single tracks are still out there...somewhere.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 March 2013 17:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

The clipping on tracks 8 and 10, especially, is nuts.

Do you mean that the recording is distorted? I should revisit those tracks and check it out. Not sure what you mean though.

― MikoMcha, Saturday, 23 March 2013 10:01 (2 months ago) Permalink

The recording is distorted, yes, because it has been mastered to be too loud. Clipping sounds like crackling, not so different from your speakers being fucked or the noise you get when the reception on a radio isn't so great.

On track 8, What Are You Not Telling Me?, the crackling is worst from 2:23 to 2:40, but it's all over the track and other tracks.

― Eyeball Kicks, Saturday, 23 March 2013 18:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

this got me listening to Dog Man Star again - Christ that record is nearly perfect

― not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 23 March 2013 18:34 (2 months ago) Permalink

On track 8, What Are You Not Telling Me?, the crackling is worst from 2:23 to 2:40, but it's all over the track and other tracks.

― Eyeball Kicks

Yeah I noticed it on this song too, thought it was just the download I had. I am away from my CD's at the moment so can't compare it against a real copy.

Sad to see this album is looking like missing the top ten in the album chart. Album sales are so low at the moment I thought this would chart a lot higher. If the The courteeners can shift almost 30,000 copies of their album I thought Suede would easily be able to do the same.

― Kitchen Person, Sunday, 24 March 2013 02:47 (2 months ago) Permalink

Still proud of calling Dog Man Stae my fave of 1994.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 March 2013 02:53 (2 months ago) Permalink

Same here and that really was a great year for albums.

― Kitchen Person, Sunday, 24 March 2013 03:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

Sheer magnificence at Nottingham Rock City last night. Nine new songs - including the three closing ballads, played live for the first time - and nine old ones. Nothing from Head Music (or from A New Morning, which goes without saying really). B-side treat: Killing Of A Flash Boy, during which Brett was mobbed and sank from view for most of the song. Set opened with the first three tracks from Bloodsports, which worked very well indeed; Barriers is ideal as a set-starter, and It Starts And Ends With You induced actual shivers (surprising, but spines don't lie). Main set closed with Trash & Beautiful Ones; shit was duly lost. Encore closed with New Generation. Fucking hell they were good.

― mike t-diva, Friday, 29 March 2013 12:53 (2 months ago) Permalink

(I reviewed it for the paper, but it's vulgar to link to your own reviews, so I won't.)

― mike t-diva, Friday, 29 March 2013 12:55 (2 months ago) Permalink

(But here's a photo from last night: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/150423_580979511915190_628883679_n.jpg )

― mike t-diva, Friday, 29 March 2013 12:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

This isn't you, is it, mike? http://nottinghamconfidential.blogspot.com/2013/03/suede-at-nottingham-rock-city-review.html?m=1

― Johnny Too Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 March 2013 13:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

Ha, no! But I agree with the review - particularly the bits about Brett's enduring foxiness, ahum.

― mike t-diva, Friday, 29 March 2013 16:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

Wife and I agreed last night that she can leave me for Brett and I can leave her for Connie Britton should it all go horribly wrong at home. What Brett and Connie Britton would have to say about this remains to be seen, but I can't see they'd mind.

― Trans-Europe Stopping Train (ithappens), Friday, 29 March 2013 20:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Don't think that much of the new record, but "Fautlines" is lovely, up there with the good stuff.

― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 13 April 2013 22:55 (2 months ago) Permalink

I don't think anyone else has pointed this out, but "Faultlines" pretty much recycles the melody from Brett's solo song "Clowns" - easily his best tune of the last decade.

― Eyeball Kicks, Sunday, 14 April 2013 01:42 (2 months ago) Permalink

The new album is terrific! The final mix is awful though: it hurts my ears.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 April 2013 01:46 (2 months ago) Permalink

Yeah it crackles pretty awful.

― Eyeball Kicks, Sunday, 14 April 2013 01:47 (2 months ago) Permalink

I don't think anyone else has pointed this out, but "Faultlines" pretty much recycles the melody from Brett's solo song "Clowns" - easily his best tune of the last decade.

― Eyeball Kicks

I guess he just figured hardly anyone heard that song so he would get away with it. Not sure what I'd nominate as his best song of the last decade. Maybe the song he did with Pleasure? I really liked his third solo album Slow Attack, maybe something off that.

― Kitchen Person, Sunday, 14 April 2013 01:49 (2 months ago) Permalink

I only noticed those crackles on What Are You Not Telling Me. Have you either of you listened to it on CD? So far I've only heard a download and figured the quality wasn't perfect. I do have the CD but I'm not able to play it at the moment as I'm away from my collection.

― Kitchen Person, Sunday, 14 April 2013 01:52 (2 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, the crackles are on the CD. Tracks 8 & 10 especially. It was driving me crazy cos I was having some trouble with my speakers anyway, but then it was a minor issue in Suede forums and audiophile forums so at least my speakers were fine.

― Eyeball Kicks, Sunday, 14 April 2013 02:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

Which works! Those are the worst tracks.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 April 2013 02:01 (2 months ago) Permalink

No they're not. The weird thing about this record is that every song is kinda 8/10, without exception. Nothing above, nothing below.

― Eyeball Kicks, Sunday, 14 April 2013 02:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

Barriers is the worst and me think the album would be a huge letdown

― PaulTMA, Sunday, 14 April 2013 02:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

LOVED Suede. Even really enjoyed the Tears record, but this one just hasn't hit for me yet. Seems relentlessly polite, unsurprising and middle-aged... like a British Gin Blossoms or something.

Enjoyed "It Starts and Ends With You" in the way one would enjoy an above average third single, but other than that... eh. I always lose interest halfway through.

Please tell me which song on here I should try listening to over and over to fix this problem I have. Wanna love it.

― mr.raffles, Sunday, 14 April 2013 04:30 (2 months ago) Permalink

No they're not. The weird thing about this record is that every song is kinda 8/10, without exception. Nothing above, nothing below.

― Eyeball Kicks

Yeah I kind of agree with this, no weak tracks. Hit Me might be the only one I'd rate higher than a 9.

― Kitchen Person, Sunday, 14 April 2013 06:34 (2 months ago) Permalink

Please tell me which song on here I should try listening to over and over to fix this problem I have. Wanna love it.

― mr.raffles

Hit Me is my favourite song, it's the big pop moment. Maybe try Sometimes I Feel I'll Float Away for the big dramatic ballad. For me the second half is the strongest part, those four ballads at the end just seem to sound better everytime I play it.

― Kitchen Person, Sunday, 14 April 2013 06:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

Much thanks for the pointer, KP. Glad to see you step up, as it seems we have a fair bit in musicalcommon, but...

hmm

def still not grabbing (hitting?) me. maybe a phase I'm going through, but I'd still stand by what I said before. what I've been able to get through still seems a bit restrained and character-less. gonna put on the back-burner for awhile. hope its charms reveal themselves to me when I revisit.

― mr.raffles, Saturday, 20 April 2013 03:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

Went to see them doing an acoustic set at Abbey Road Studio 3 the other night, and the ballads from the new album were even better in that form.

― If you tolerate Bis, then Kenickie will be next (ithappens), Saturday, 20 April 2013 09:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Re-listened to this earlier, 'Always' has grown on me a fuckload!

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 30 May 2013 00:14 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

The 'Dog Man Star'/Floyd breakdown is one of their best moments

― PaulTMA, Thursday, 30 May 2013 13:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

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