― ben welsh (benwelsh), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:27 (9 years ago) Permalink
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― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 22:38 (9 years ago) Permalink
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― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 23:22 (9 years ago) Permalink
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 23:28 (9 years ago) Permalink
Classic album tho and v. quintessentially 80s -- Gabriel, U2, and Sting were gonna save us from Reagan.
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 23:31 (9 years ago) Permalink
WHAT the FUCK!?!!
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 00:53 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:00 (9 years ago) Permalink
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― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 02:51 (9 years ago) Permalink
Upon reflection, however, even with a few admittedly classic singles, a lot of the songs on So leaned heavily on the state-o'-the-art production. And even that didn't hold a glow stick to any one of Trevor Horn's.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 03:00 (9 years ago) Permalink
My disc ends with "We Do What We're Told," but then my disc is twelve inches wide. (How's that for big time?)
I say classic - mainly for "Mercy Street," but I still enjoy the whole album. And it's a spring album for me, so I should give it its yearly spin quite soon.
― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 04:15 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 04:20 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 04:21 (9 years ago) Permalink
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 17:23 (9 years ago) Permalink
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 17:24 (9 years ago) Permalink
As for the album, I like every single song on it—even played-out standards like "Sledgehammer" and "In Your Eyes." Hard to believe it turns 18 years old this year.
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 17:30 (9 years ago) Permalink
This was my favourite album when I was 13 and 14. I used to hope a book would come out called 'So: The Answers', in which Peter Gabriel would reveal what all the songs were about. That is the most embarrassing thing I have ever revealed on ILX.
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 17:40 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 17:47 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:10 (9 years ago) Permalink
"This Is the Picture" was better as a Laurie Anderson song. (Although I haven't heard either version since 1986, so I may be wrong.)
The rest of the record is mediocre compared to other PG works.
― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 18:16 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 00:51 (6 years ago) Permalink
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― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 15 March 2007 22:57 (6 years ago) Permalink
It's great when you read something on ILM and think, "Man, I just totally agree w that" only to realize you said it.
I dunno. There's something about Gabriel that's extremely...juvenile. I'm not sure how else to put it. Like almost everyone else, this really appealed to me when I was 16. But upon reflection, his lyrics are sophomoric, not profound, his productions flashy, not sophisticated, his hooks obvious, not irresistable.
Maybe it's just music for sixteen year-olds.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yes and no. "Mercy Street" appealed to the 15-y-old me because the music -- spare but pulsing -- and lyrics suggested something mysterious, just out of reach. This, "That Voice Again" (that odd guitar hook!), and "Excellent Birds" are the heart of the album.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
This thread proves once again that on ILM there's a very thin line between cool and simply insane. Classic beyond belief, if not his best. In retrospect, this album's crossover success strikes me as very weird.
― rogermexico., Thursday, 23 August 2007 04:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
I came across a version of Red Rain live that featured Peter Gabriel, REM and Natalie Merchant. Granted, it was a slowed down acoustic version, but I laughed out loud. I mean who the hell decided that was a good idea? The THREE of them singing together??
― Bimble, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
"sledgehammer" and its video are wicked, also that "big time" tune is slammin'. i love the way they are totally overblown.
― max r, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:52 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm stuck somewhere between rogermexico and Naive Teen Idol: it's probably his best, occasionally reductive, often overstated, works best when you're 16, still love "Mercy Street" and the singles.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 29 September 2007 18:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
ESPN Classic used "Don't Give Up" for their documentary on Muhammad Ali (in the segment dealing with his brain damage/Parkinson's), and it was absolutely heartbreaking and beautiful. So, yeah, that song is awesome, and I don't get the hate for it.
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 29 September 2007 21:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
I just got Us a couple of weeks ago, never bought it despite owning everything from So & before, and it has about 4 really good songs.
― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 04:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
But you revived a So thread to tell us? That's sad. "So" is like...eternal, whereas I don't remember a damn thing about Us.
Not trying to hate on you personally Mark, I've enjoyed your posts many a time in the past.
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 04:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
I wasn't sure this warranted its own thread, didn't see one, and it's certainly in the vein of So, so...
― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 04:35 (5 years ago) Permalink
hahaha wonderful. Which songs are the 4 that you like?
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 04:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
"Blood of Eden" "Digging in the Dirt" "Come Talk to Me"
are all very good, anyway. I'd forgotten how much he could do with his voice then.
― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 05:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
had you not heard (some of) these on the various Gabriel hits comps?
― stephen, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 06:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
"Us" is excellent. Damn excellent. I may rank "So" slightly ahead of it (and the melt face one slightly about that one again), but "Us" is also absolutely gorgeous. Even though it wears a bit thin towards the end. "Blood Of Eden" and "Love To Be Loved" are both among his best ever moments.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 08:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
I've become really fond of Gabriel's work in recent years. "That Voice Again" is an awesome song. I find his later stuff so sad, somehow.
― Trayce, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 08:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
How much later? A good bit of all of his stuff is *supposed* to be sad.
― kenan, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 08:52 (5 years ago) Permalink
Also, gotta side with Geir on everything. Melty face is the best, But Us has more than four good songs. It's a darn fine record.
― kenan, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 08:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
Well the stuff like So, Us and Up, I guess. It's just his voice and the melodies he chooses I think.
― Trayce, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 09:05 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oh, yeah, I see. I thought you meant sad like "Sad old man, stop making records, please." His last couple give me that kind of sad. :(
― kenan, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 09:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
I never had a hits comp, but I did hear "Blood" and "Digging" around, just forgot how good they were. As good as anything on So. In my mind, I thought he was done after So but I was wrong.
― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 12:52 (5 years ago) Permalink
"Up" was also an excellent album. No obvious hit singles, but lots of really strong songs.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 23:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/realworld-txt.html
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 11:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
That clip above reminds me of all the bits in the Depeche Mode reissue docs of the band mucking about with an Emulator. Like this:
(Ha, per Wiki, " Fairlight became such a prominent part of 1980s pop music that Phil Collins included the text "there is no Fairlight on this record" on the sleeve of No Jacket Required." Ironically, No Jacket Requires does include Peter Gabriel.)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 11:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
It also contained a lot of DX7, which, which its "harsh" sounds, effectively sounded a lot like a Fairlight.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
I suppose, when he said it didn't include any Fairlight, that also meant it didn't include any Emulators. Otherwise it would have been a bit of a fluke.
i stopped by my dad's house today and this album was on the stereo <3 <3 <3
― some dude, Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
Collins loved those DX-7 and Prophet sounds.
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
HI THERE
― chairfuckers union (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
SO MUCH STUFF I WILL OWN
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Prophet 5 was a classic analogue synth, which sounded like synths had always used to sound. The DX-7 was decidedly very different, with very harsh, metallic sounds, plus the fact that it was very hard to program meant a lot of the same factory sounds would be re-used a zillion times.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
laurie anderson "excellent birds" vs. peter gabriel "this is the picture"
also what other sick b-sides from this album do you recommend
― Snámh dá Én (missingNO), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Don't Break This Rhythm"!
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah all the b-sides for this are great, very odd
― american thinker (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
curtains is excellent, one of my favorite gabriel songs. don't break this rhythm was a b-side from this but I think it predated the album by a few years, across the river....this was on the big time cd single (one of them), also earlier than the album, I"m pretty certain (it was on some amnesty comp earlier)
― akm, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
don't break this rhythm was a b-side from this but I think it predated the album by a few years,
really? Sure you don't mean "Walk Through The Fire"?
― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 May 2011 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
DX-7 was long Eno's synth of choice, too. He was renown for being one of the few patient enough to master its time-consuming interface.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 May 2011 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
I would say the synth I think of when I hear Eno's name is the VCS3, but that was in the 70s of course.
― Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 12 May 2011 07:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
So was my first exposure to Peter Gabriel (though I may have heard Shock the Monkey or something prior w/o realizing who'd done it). I didn't know any history on him at the time. Just thought he was this cool old guy who was making kinda square but also kinda epic music that had accompanying weirdo videos.
The reason I italicized old guy is because when So was released, Gabriel was a year younger than I am now.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 12 May 2011 07:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i remember being a kid and probably on some level realizing PG was my dad's age (almost exactly) and didn't dress very cool but had awesome music and awesome videos. the end of the "Sledgehammer" video almost seemed to be playing off his squareness, with his stiff dancing in a suit among the black backup singers at the end and all that.
― contenderoni (some dude), Thursday, 12 May 2011 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^^ what these last two fellas said
― You're fucking fired and you know jack shit about horses (James Morrison), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01dprvb/hd/Classic_Albums_Peter_Gabriels_So/
WATCHTHIS
― piscesx, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
xpost It's not very good, to be honest. The artists (and albums) he's working on throughout are generally of such a high caliber that he's very careful how many secrets he spills. I suppose the best bits are learning about his hardscrabble upbringing, the happenstance stuff that led him to Eno (or actually vice versa; also, some of his and Eno's tandem experiments sound really neat, like as a lark walking through a Moroccan market separately for 20 minutes with tape recorders, then syncing the playback up in surround sound to totally recreate that vibrant multi-dimemsional sonic environment in a studio setting) and his total fan-boy love of his heroes. That said, I think I read it in an afternoon, and deserved about as much time.It is, I guess, interesting how much Lanois' own guitar playing has helped direct a lot of the albums he's recorded, especially U2's "Achtung Baby" and beyond and the two Dylan records. Every once in a while he tips his hand as to who's playing what, and his contributions are sometimes major.
It is, I guess, interesting how much Lanois' own guitar playing has helped direct a lot of the albums he's recorded, especially U2's "Achtung Baby" and beyond and the two Dylan records. Every once in a while he tips his hand as to who's playing what, and his contributions are sometimes major.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 04:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
I can't play the TV portion....ugh
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 11:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
but it IS on YouTube.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 11:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I bought the three disc reissue and still haven't moved past the original album because it;'s so amazing
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Saturday, 27 October 2012 01:44 (6 months ago) Permalink
oh wait no B-sides???
http://www.amazon.com/So-25th-Anniversary-Deluxe-Edition/dp/tracks/B008V59AFW/ref=dp_tracks_all_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1351303046&sr=8-2#disc_2
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 October 2012 01:58 (6 months ago) Permalink
honestly this album means so much to me (and my original copy is on vinyl at my parents' house) that I don't care that there are no b-sides
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Saturday, 27 October 2012 01:59 (6 months ago) Permalink
I think every corpuscle in my body would explode if "Mercy Street" sounded better than it already does.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:02 (6 months ago) Permalink
"Mercy Street" is one of the greatest songs ever recorded and it's playing on my computer right now
I shouldn't be so happy, given the downer nature of the song, but I am
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:03 (6 months ago) Permalink
just sitting here in my boxers, jammin out to "Mercy Street"
yay Friday (ps I have been drinking)
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:05 (6 months ago) Permalink
here's your bloody mary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt87bLX7m_o
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:08 (6 months ago) Permalink
yay "Big Time" one of the best songs EVER
the place where I come from is a small townthey think so smallthey use small words
THIS IS TRUTH
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:10 (6 months ago) Permalink
one doubtone voiceone warone truthone dream
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:11 (6 months ago) Permalink
one of the best albums EVER
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:12 (6 months ago) Permalink
That guitar hook on "That Voice Again" is so ODD.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:18 (6 months ago) Permalink
and instead of a guitar solo we get this really simple keyboard one -- ugh. I love this record.
"That Voice Again" is the one that really grabs me and shakes me when I listen to the record these days.
― Clarke B., Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:32 (6 months ago) Permalink
"Red Rain" never gets the respect it deserves IMO
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:34 (6 months ago) Permalink
One of the coolest things I learned when watching the episode of Classic Albums on So was that—and it never registered with me before—it was first time Gabriel ever really included high hat work. Daniel Lanois talked him into it and they brought in Stewart Copeland for "Red Rain" and then allowed it on some of the other songs. If you go back and listen to the previous albums, anything that sounds like a high hat probably isn't.
― Bout to go Jethro TULL on that ass (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:35 (6 months ago) Permalink
If there's one thing I am sure, it is that the climax of Red Rain will always be a part of me. It's just down there, embedded in my earliest musical memories and it's coloured too much. It's almost too close really.
― Master of Treacle, Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:38 (6 months ago) Permalink
"I'm BATHING in it....red RAIN..coming down.."
― Master of Treacle, Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:41 (6 months ago) Permalink
this is my favorite album... the last time i listened to it was yesterday. i was gonna go see his 25th anniversary tour thingy when it came by recently but i wasn't able to due to work :(
― teledyldonix, Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:43 (6 months ago) Permalink
v tender revive. ILM could use more slightly-sauced livetweets of classic albums.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 27 October 2012 02:55 (6 months ago) Permalink
"livetweets"
― Bout to go Jethro TULL on that ass (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 27 October 2012 03:08 (6 months ago) Permalink
can't believe the three-disc set doesn't include the "special mix" of in your eyes. i guess that maintains the special-ness?
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 27 October 2012 03:12 (6 months ago) Permalink
One of the coolest things I learned when watching the episode of Classic Albums on /So/ was that—and it never registered with me before—it was first time Gabriel ever really included high hat work. Daniel Lanois talked him into it and they brought in Stewart Copeland for "Red Rain" and then allowed it on some of the other songs. If you go back and listen to the previous albums, anything that sounds like a high hat probably isn't.
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 29 November 2012 02:55 (5 months ago) Permalink
I haven't seen the DVD, but there should be bonus footage on there discussing the other songs... I've known this to the case with other DVD editions of the Classic Albums series.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 29 November 2012 03:13 (5 months ago) Permalink
Always thought it was kind of funny how Gabriel went from zero crash cymbals on his records to nothing but cymbals on So.
― and I scream Fieri Eiffel Tower High (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 29 November 2012 03:31 (5 months ago) Permalink
That new "So" boxed set supposedly has a bonus disc that shows the evolution of the album from demos to the final versions. I'm curious.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 November 2012 03:58 (5 months ago) Permalink
Saw him a few months back touring the 25th anniversary of this. It's amazing how supple his voice still is. I wouldn't have pegged him for a technical singer (I've always loved his voice but assumed that grizzled/manic timbre was something of a fluke). But he must have been doing serious vocal yoga through the years to still sing That Voice with power.
― SongOfSam, Thursday, 29 November 2012 20:59 (5 months ago) Permalink
Missed the set, because I didn't feel the need to go, but he has had an uptick in vocal abilities I think. Or at least he paces himself well. I think it helps that his daughter sings backup. Genetics help.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 November 2012 21:20 (5 months ago) Permalink