(actually, looking at this amazon page now, there are solo and group trombone pieces on the dempster album. those are what i heard. though according to someone up top on this thread he made later trombone recordings in his giant cistern, so i can't be 100% positive. i always forget to look for his CDs.)
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:31 (4 years ago) Permalink
this also looks cool and i wanna hear it:
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink
that is _the_ Dempster album. He took ten students into the cistern with 45 seconds of natural acoustic reverb, and had them stand in a circle around the perimeter. then he stood in the center, and played slow notes holding his horn up into the center of the room. whenever he wanted a note sustained, he'd lower the horn until it was pointing at one of his students, and they'd pick up the note and hold it. it's an amazing piece of music.
same cistern as the first two Deep Listening records were recorded. I can't believe more people don't record there, though a more abstract bowed metal improv was done there recently by the group Doublends Vert -- if you like bowed metal albums, you want a copy of that album
xpost In The Great Abbey is just as good, but it's a solo record so it is a little less epic, more about details and contemplation
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:37 (4 years ago) Permalink
& by 'that it _the_ Dempster album I was referring to Underground Overlays
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
you could put the abbey record on the shelf next to:
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
paul horn got inside a lot of stuff. i like his taj mahal record too. he should make a record inside my basement.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:39 (4 years ago) Permalink
haven't heard that one, always read about it. it's just echoey goodness w/ trumpet?
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:40 (4 years ago) Permalink
flute. he would sneak his tape recorder into places like the taj mahal and the pyramid and play very lovely and droney flute. sounds amazing.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:42 (4 years ago) Permalink
now I remember seeing that album in the bins, when it had this cover: http://cdbaby.com/cd/paulhorn4
ok this is pretty spaced, this goes on the list
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
he's definitely one of the pioneers of new age! you know? as well as a well-respected jazz dude. i've never heard the later stuff or his collabs with asian/world musicians. stuff like this:
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
such a hip dude. where is his hipster renaissance!?
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
I don't consider Dempster a "New Age" artist at all. His albums are all on New Music (that 80's term for minimalist influenced modern work by academic composers) labels, and all of his collaborators (Pauline Oliveros, Peter Ward, Ellen Fullman etc) all have similar backgrounds.
Speaking of Fullman (and trombones), Fluctuations her 2008 improv collaboration with trombonist Monique Buzzarte, deserved its place on the Wire Rewind main list. Available on emusic, and there's a good 10 minute sample of a piece here: http://www.rootstrata.com/rootblog/?p=304
― derelict, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:50 (4 years ago) Permalink
so Underground Overlays is a must-find then. Amazon says something about tibetan cymbals in the mix as well but I'm all up for that.
― sonderangerbot, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:52 (4 years ago) Permalink
paul horn also produced one of the mellowest grooviest psychfolk records of all time:
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
ok this is an off handed slow-day-at-the-office list of the forerunner New Age albums, the 70's ones released the decade before the genre name stuck...
Paul Horn - Inside The Taj MahalHenry Wolff & Nancy Hennings - Tibetan BellsVangelis - L'Apocalypse Des AnimauxDeuter - D / AumPopol Vuh - In Den Gärten PharaosGail Laughton - Harps of the Ancient TemplesEberhard Schoener - MeditationWendy Carlos - Sonic SeasoningsTangerine Dream - ZeitEno - Discreet Music / Ambient 1Peter Michael Hamel - NadaSteve Hillage - Rainbow Dome MusickAsh Ra Tempel - Inventions For Electric GuitarIasos - Angelic MusicDavid Hykes & The Harmonic Choir - Hearing Solar WindsKitaro - Silk Road (I still can't do this one myself)Michael Stearns - Morning JewelEnvironments (especially #2 - Tintinnabulation & #7 - Intonation)
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
"I don't consider Dempster a "New Age" artist at all."
i brought up the dempster stuff on this thread cuz they used to play him on the new age radio show i used to listen to years ago in philly. they would play all kinds of stuff. krautrock, philip glass, electronic stuff, as well as more standard fare. anything you could smoke to or commune with angels with.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
i dig a bunch of those. the cool thing about new age stuff is that i can still find it all fairly cheaply. well, not ash ra tempel records, but most of the other stuff. and i have a bunch of groovy private press records that i will have to digitize someday. and tapes! i still find privately released electronic new age stuff at the thrift store. tons of crystal worship suites and the like.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
I dig most of them, some of them more on some days than others. things like Don Slepian's Sea of Bliss & Roach's Structures From Silence & Stearns' Planetary Unfolding definitely have things going for them, but they don't always reward deeper listening, they really are ephemeral mood music pieces
xpost not going to go too much into Ellen Fullman on a New Age thread! she's fantastic though, she needs her own thread. Staggered Stasis & her records with Sean Meehan are my favorites.
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:08 (4 years ago) Permalink
some of these really are on their own level, that David Hykes record & the Wendy Carlos are bigger than any label. things like the Stearns and this fucking Angelic Music record, if the 17 year old me had known he would have leapt through the dimensional gate to strangle me to death if he'd known it would come to this, but I am simply a mellow guy now
I like my New Age dished out in brutal chunks, floating an inch above the plate:
3. "THE ANGELS OF COMFORT" (10:59) The Angels of Comfort are the carriers and distributors of a golden-pink energy called the Comfort Flame - an energy specifically created to bring comfort to all Life, wherever it is needed. This energy was created when humanity began experimenting with free will in a manner wherein they began creating discomfort for themselves. These angels "deliver" this energy wherever they are sent, whenever they are called forth, and wherever they are requested. (Note: This is the "original" version of "The Angels of Comfort", from which the extended half-hour version was made and included in Iasos' "Angelic Music" album.) Recommended Focus: "I AM a Comfort to all Life."
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:13 (4 years ago) Permalink
you know what's really exciting? i have this great record from 1977 called *Cosmic Celebration* which was a live performance of a cosmic mass done in boston and you can not only get a cd of the album now, but a dvd of the mass!!! it's sufi-rific. um, i might actually be the only one excited by this news. and who knows if i will actually shell out for the dvd. it's a VERY new age album. more new age than it is sufi mystikal.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:14 (4 years ago) Permalink
When you come down to it New Age and New Music are mostly marketing labels, and there is of course a lot of sonic crossover.
John Schaefer on WNYC has done a show called "New Sounds" for 26 years now, and his 1987 survey New Sounds: A Listener's Guide to New Music was probably my introduction to just about everything from Steve Reich to Steve Roach.
― derelict, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:14 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah that New Sounds book was golden. so many comprehensive reviews, and he went far across the genre lines, from the serious stuff to the sufiest, as long as it was interesting music. I inhaled that book whole in the late 80's, and reread it two years ago and thank god he wrote it, not only is it good to have it all under one cover, so many of those things are long out of print or only came out on cassette, that book is a precious document
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:19 (4 years ago) Permalink
i'm with you on the mellow. i like stuff like this:
(they were on philo, the folk label, originally. i have a nice promo copy and every time i think about maybe putting it on ebay or something i play it and i'm reminded how lovely it is!)
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
We should probably have a thread on modern Masses. There's Arvo Part's De Profundus, David Hyke's album Harmonic Meetings pretty much has the form, Daniel Lentz's "Missa Umbrarum"...there's a Lebanese female Christian chant album entitled Divine Rites credited to Vox...
― derelict, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
Though that last album (Vox - Divine Rites) isn't really in mass form. Its rather similar to the Jocelyn Montgomery & David Lynch album of modern Hildegard interpretations, Lux Vivens, only with an oriental cast.
― derelict, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
well start the thread, most of what I know about modern choral music is all secular & depraved so it'd be a nice break
the online samples of that 'Cosmic Celebration' record are beautiful! they really pulled it off, seems like
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:40 (4 years ago) Permalink
okay, obviously i don't read carefully enough. no need to send them my 40 bucks for this:
"DVD of a slide show of the Cambridge 1983 Production with some slides from others, with an introduction, and two Cable T.V. interviews and a live performance piece from the production: $40, plus shipping"
i was hoping they had the cosmic cameras rolling in 1977 :(
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 January 2009 21:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
wow thanks for reminding me about stuart dempster. i really dig 'underground overlays', and i agree that calling him 'new age' is a stretch.
i saw him talk with ramon sender, morton subotnick, and don buchla (inventor of the buchla box- he even brought it along!), among others, when the book about the san francisco tape music center came out a few months back. i guess dempster played trumpet tones in the broadway tunnel as a part of sender, ken dewey, and anthony martin's "city scale" piece/installation in 1963. i guess the piece required audience members to be shuttled around town to experience things like said tunnel, a woman in a storefront window singing debussy, a 'book returning' ceremony at city lights, light projections on to the side of a wells fargo, and a lot more as depicted in the super abstract score in the book
― all-seeing eye of horus (psychgawsple), Friday, 9 January 2009 07:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
I love Iasos' "Inter-Dimensional Music", if that counts.
― krakow, Friday, 9 January 2009 22:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
welcome to the slippery slope, space brother
xpost Tony Martin / Ramon Sender play 'Desert Ambulance' w/ Pauline on Feb 22
― Milton Parker, Friday, 9 January 2009 22:16 (4 years ago) Permalink
I would pay all this money for Unarius Documentaries Soundtrack CD box set
― Milton Parker, Friday, 9 January 2009 22:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
i wonder if they can still be contacted. you could make some sweet compilations of this type of stuff... http://www.globalpeacefoundation.org/Video/GlobalPeaceCenter/GlobalPeaceCenter2.mov
thanks for the heads up about desert ambulance, btw. i will definitely be in attendance
― all-seeing eye of horus (psychgawsple), Friday, 9 January 2009 22:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
Unarius is absolutely still active, they have a booth every year at the Whole Earth Expo. Video artist / scholar Nate Boyce took Drew & Martin & I on a expedition / homage trip to buy DVDR transfers of their films, and they were good people. The late 70's / early 80's was the heyday for their video production team, they're mostly recycling the effects from their early films, but anyone who's seen those early films agree that they are unconditional classics.
― Milton Parker, Friday, 9 January 2009 22:50 (4 years ago) Permalink
I just bought this for $2 the other day:
― xhuxk e. xheese (jaymc), Friday, 9 January 2009 22:51 (4 years ago) Permalink
/ recycling the effects from their early films these days... but they still believe
ok I made a seperate thread: UNARIUS ACADEMY OF SCIENCE
― Milton Parker, Friday, 9 January 2009 22:52 (4 years ago) Permalink
tell me this guy didn't have somewhat of an impact on the eventual arbitrary coloring scheme of the images coming back from hubble
and his record 'Starscapes' from 1980 is exactly the thing
― Milton Parker, Friday, 16 January 2009 01:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
We'd go through a whole box of Celestial Seasonings Red Zinger in a night.
― Bristol Palin Squibb (los blue jeans), Sunday, 29 March 2009 20:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
mark r's link to his "resonant frequency" article from above no longer works. can i still read it somewhere?
― akaky akakievich, Saturday, 16 January 2010 07:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
wow unarius now have their own youtube channel with pretty much all the vids theyve done http://www.youtube.com/user/unarius33#p/u
― straightola, Thursday, 4 February 2010 22:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
akaky: dug around their site and this link should work:
resonant frequency #12
― sknybrg, Friday, 5 February 2010 06:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
This thread just made me check to see if Musical Starstreams radio program is still extant; it is! http://www.starstreams.com/
Everytime I hear some sort of "spacy tinkles" music on public radio, I always put on my narcoleptic announcer voice and make up artists and titles: "Fromm the CD... Voyage of the Healer... that's Celestial ... Illumination... here on Musical... Starstreams...
― Such A Hilbily (Dan Peterson), Monday, 8 February 2010 20:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
― yogarecords, Saturday, 17 July 2010 22:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
I love James Reynlods' soundtrack for the "Mind's Eye" early CIG clips video...I love it soooo much.
― fear mongrels (Abbott), Sunday, 15 August 2010 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
ANd by CIG I mean CGI
― fear mongrels (Abbott), Sunday, 15 August 2010 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
― fear mongrels (Abbott), Sunday, 15 August 2010 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
WINDHAM HILL RECORDS I GOT TODAY
― scott seward, Sunday, 15 August 2010 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
WDW Tomorrowland for most of the '80s & '90s was drenched in New Age + Contempo Jazz.
The songs in that list I've grown to LOVE:
― PappaWheelie V, Sunday, 15 August 2010 21:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh man I got the Mind's Eye soundtrack in the mail today. This means today is magic.
― sharkless dick stick (Abbbottt), Thursday, 26 August 2010 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 September 2010 19:35 (2 years ago) Permalink