Post Grunge Explosion Also Ran bands. Classic Or Dud/Search & destroy

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This should not be read as a defense of Live, but would you really call them "post-Grunge"? For a start, their debut album isn't exactly steeped in metallic guitars (let alone the fact that none of them had long hair). Mawkish middle-of-the-road 90's "alternative" maybe, but never grunge.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

That actually isn't their debut, though -- their first album came out in late 1991.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

That's the one I was talkin' `bout, Nedrick (Mental Jewelry)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

..which had "Operation Spirit" and "Pain Lies By the Riverside" (or whatever)...neither of which were particularly grungey in any way, shape or form, but owed more to the pious bluster of Unforgettable Fire-era U2.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

"Plowed" by Sponge ("Save a prayer for me/ save a prayer for me"...) is pretty blissed.

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

It's kind of the "Don't Fear the Reaper" of post-grunge.

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

This shows the location of all current Verve Pipe fans:

http://www.globaldust.com/music/detail.php?id=7338

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't realize that Denmark would be such a hotbed for them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

(someone should tell alex that there are only three fans represented on the topographical killing joke map.)

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

By the way, here is a fun thread where me and Anthony and maybe some other people said lots of the same stuff we say on this one, & more!:

Stone Temple Pilots

chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

Whats the best STP album to start with?

Adam Litton, Monday, 15 March 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

Just get the best-of.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

I have a lingering curiousity about the Verve Pipe full-lengths. Never heard any, but "Hero," "Villains," and "Photograph" were all kinda neat singles. Their last album was produced by a Fountain of Wayne.

miloauckerman OTM re: "Lakini's Juice"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

>>ew, Scott even that "Drowning" song?

chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

hey, the rest of my post disappeared! here goes again:

>>>>ew, Scott even that "Drowning" song?

chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

happened again! ok, just forget it i guess. weird....

chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

well I'M intrigued.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago) link

nobody's gonna stick up for the goo goo dolls!!!?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

The last thing I liked about the Goo Goo Dolls was that Avril Lavigne told Rolling Stone that Johnny Rzeznizkz bought her a Replacements album. Oh, and I like how the success of one of their videos correlates directly with how often you see the fat guy.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

Johnny Rzeznizkz bought her a Replacements album.

There should be a class action suit that forces Johnny Rzendekins to buy everyone who bought one of his albums a Replacements album.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Monday, 15 March 2004 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

The second paragraph will probably annoy you, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

Bah, I like "Here Is Gone" and "Name" better than any Replacements song.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:12 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, precisely!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:16 (twenty years ago) link

Now I will defend Bush and Third Eye Blind.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:17 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, I suspected Ned had feet of clay all along!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

haha Bush and Third Eye Blind are WAYYYYY more excusable than the Goo Goo Dolls (whose best trait is they're not QUITE Bon Jovi).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:20 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, I suspected Ned had feet of clay all along!

I just know what I hate! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:21 (twenty years ago) link

I was gonna post a :O after Ned's "yes, precisely!" but Michael's bringing up two better bands reduced my shock.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:22 (twenty years ago) link

I mean really the only problem with Bush was the songwriter's voice and lyrics - sort of like the Strokes!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:23 (twenty years ago) link

Bush had the potential to be a great Swervedriver ripoff band more than anything else. Alas.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

I'm still kind of reeling from the concept that "Long Way Down" is a barnburner. If I can imagine that the singer is Jamie Walters, it's hard to set that hay alight.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

My review of the Goo Goo Dolls' best single (better than anything Westerberg did since, what, *Tim*?) is here:

http://villagevoice.com/issues/0030/eddy.php

chuck, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago) link

I'm just gonna say bullllllllllshiiiit and leave it at that.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, I swear by the Rainbow Bridge of Asgard that I want to utterly SLAY you for some of the pungent stuff that springs forth from your keyboard.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

better than anything Westerberg did since, what, *Tim*?

Mr. Eddy is on the money! (I sold back all my Placemats Sire-era albums some months back when I realized very clearly I was never going to listen to them again -- ever).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

oh great. now I broke the computer screen.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

ALL SHOOK DOWN IS ONE OF THE MOST SLEPT ON ALBUMS EVER AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE I'VE OWNED IT SINCE MIDDLE SCHOOL FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU ALLLLLLLLLL FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY MAUDLIN MIDWESTERN HEART.

Fuck, even Johnny Bon Rzeznizkz would think you guys have lost it!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

(just playin' btw. Me no hate, just stymied)

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

I'm totally writing about All Shook Down for the Freelance Mentalists page this week. I'm clearly mental about it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:58 (twenty years ago) link

What's the Warrior Soul song that goes "'Cause I think you're beautiful"? I saw that video once when I was 11 or so and loved the song. Never heard it since though.

Prime Bon Jovi kills the Goo Goo Dolls WTF? Mike, do you rate Third Eye Blind on an album/home listening basis? I have Blue. I did defend it on here at one point and had a number of perfectly pleasant listens to it, but I have absolutely no need to hear any of it ever again. I haven't for at least a year and half probably.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 03:05 (twenty years ago) link

You're right about the superiority of prime Bon Jovi, I have a loathing for Bon Jovi that defies all logic. I apologize.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 03:21 (twenty years ago) link

I have a loathing for Bon Jovi that defies all logic

No no, it's perfectly logical.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 03:21 (twenty years ago) link

I think the loathing has something to do with them having a keyboard player (keys are fine on some songs but when you've got a guy who HAS to find something to pile onto your pop-metal you're in trouble), Jon's face and that short movie he made with Mark Pellington.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 03:29 (twenty years ago) link

also their hair post-Blaze Of Glory. and that Richie Sambora rocks the vocoder onstage. It sounds great but looks really icky.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 03:30 (twenty years ago) link

Jon Bon Jovi made a short film? Surely his hair is better now than it was in the 80s?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 03:51 (twenty years ago) link

it's called Destination Unknown. Stars Demi Moore and Whoopi Goldberg. And his hair is not right, just not right at all.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 04:00 (twenty years ago) link

Post Grunge Explosion Also Ran bands

This passion is fantastic.

But getting back to the question, American post-grunge was irreversably crippled by the likes of the fucking Presidents of the United States of America and, to a lesser extent, Everclear. Throw in Cake as well. I can't believe these poxy bands haven't been mentioned yet after a whole day of nostalgia, but there you go.

Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 07:37 (twenty years ago) link

I saw that Jon Bon Jovi movie. It has its moments, but its not as good as don johnson's music movie.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 11:49 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Anyone remember Paw? They had a big hit allover MTV at the time. But I forget the name of it. I think it was about a runaway dog.

Rambo, Tuesday, 6 April 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago) link


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