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yeah, Thalia was grungy long before grunge.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

Much as i liked Dusted and the other stuff with Thalia, I was really more a fan of pre-Thalia Live Skull.(I heart Marnie Greenholz)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, I love Come too, and I didn't mean that as a slander. They were just from the same time and on some of the same labels as lots of these other douchebags. Just an excuse to mention their name really. ;o)

(Won't agree with you on the pre-Thalia era Skull though!)

― NickB (NickB), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

That's okay Nick, most people wouldn't. It's more of a nostalgia thing for me.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

Did you ever see that earlier line up live then? I only know that incarnation from Don't Get Any On You and that record with the brain on the sleeve. I don't think they ever came over to the UK until Thalia and Sonda Anderson were in the band.

― NickB (NickB), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

No, I never saw them. It's just that all that NY noise from that time was near and dear to me as a teen.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

I erased the band 'Live' from my memory...Until I read this.
Lightning Crashes was on 'The Box' constantly years ago on cable TV.

― Rock Bastard, Monday, 15 March 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

This should not be read as a defense of Live, but would you really call them "post-Grunge"? For a start, their debut album isn't exactly steeped in metallic guitars (let alone the fact that none of them had long hair). Mawkish middle-of-the-road 90's "alternative" maybe, but never grunge.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

That actually isn't their debut, though -- their first album came out in late 1991.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

That's the one I was talkin' `bout, Nedrick (Mental Jewelry)

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

..which had "Operation Spirit" and "Pain Lies By the Riverside" (or whatever)...neither of which were particularly grungey in any way, shape or form, but owed more to the pious bluster of Unforgettable Fire-era U2.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 15 March 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

"Plowed" by Sponge ("Save a prayer for me/ save a prayer for me"...) is pretty blissed.

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

It's kind of the "Don't Fear the Reaper" of post-grunge.

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

This shows the location of all current Verve Pipe fans:

http://www.globaldust.com/music/detail.php?id=7338

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't realize that Denmark would be such a hotbed for them.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

(someone should tell alex that there are only three fans represented on the topographical killing joke map.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link

By the way, here is a fun thread where me and Anthony and maybe some other people said lots of the same stuff we say on this one, & more!:

Stone Temple Pilots

― chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

Whats the best STP album to start with?

― Adam Litton, Monday, 15 March 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago) link

Just get the best-of.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 March 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

I have a lingering curiousity about the Verve Pipe full-lengths. Never heard any, but "Hero," "Villains," and "Photograph" were all kinda neat singles. Their last album was produced by a Fountain of Wayne.

miloauckerman OTM re: "Lakini's Juice"

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

>>ew, Scott even that "Drowning" song?

― chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

hey, the rest of my post disappeared! here goes again:

>>>>ew, Scott even that "Drowning" song?

― chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

happened again! ok, just forget it i guess. weird....

― chuck, Monday, 15 March 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

well I'M intrigued.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago) link

nobody's gonna stick up for the goo goo dolls!!!?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

The last thing I liked about the Goo Goo Dolls was that Avril Lavigne told Rolling Stone that Johnny Rzeznizkz bought her a Replacements album. Oh, and I like how the success of one of their videos correlates directly with how often you see the fat guy.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 15 March 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

Johnny Rzeznizkz bought her a Replacements album.

There should be a class action suit that forces Johnny Rzendekins to buy everyone who bought one of his albums a Replacements album.

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Monday, 15 March 2004 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

The second paragraph will probably annoy you, then.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

Bah, I like "Here Is Gone" and "Name" better than any Replacements song.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:12 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, precisely!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:16 (twenty years ago) link

Now I will defend Bush and Third Eye Blind.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:17 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, I suspected Ned had feet of clay all along!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

haha Bush and Third Eye Blind are WAYYYYY more excusable than the Goo Goo Dolls (whose best trait is they're not QUITE Bon Jovi).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:20 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, I suspected Ned had feet of clay all along!

I just know what I hate! ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:21 (twenty years ago) link

I was gonna post a :O after Ned's "yes, precisely!" but Michael's bringing up two better bands reduced my shock.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:22 (twenty years ago) link

I mean really the only problem with Bush was the songwriter's voice and lyrics - sort of like the Strokes!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:23 (twenty years ago) link

Bush had the potential to be a great Swervedriver ripoff band more than anything else. Alas.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

I'm still kind of reeling from the concept that "Long Way Down" is a barnburner. If I can imagine that the singer is Jamie Walters, it's hard to set that hay alight.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:27 (twenty years ago) link

My review of the Goo Goo Dolls' best single (better than anything Westerberg did since, what, *Tim*?) is here:

http://villagevoice.com/issues/0030/eddy.php

― chuck, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago) link

I'm just gonna say bullllllllllshiiiit and leave it at that.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, I swear by the Rainbow Bridge of Asgard that I want to utterly SLAY you for some of the pungent stuff that springs forth from your keyboard.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

better than anything Westerberg did since, what, *Tim*?

Mr. Eddy is on the money! (I sold back all my Placemats Sire-era albums some months back when I realized very clearly I was never going to listen to them again -- ever).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

oh great. now I broke the computer screen.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:54 (twenty years ago) link

ALL SHOOK DOWN IS ONE OF THE MOST SLEPT ON ALBUMS EVER AND I'M NOT JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE I'VE OWNED IT SINCE MIDDLE SCHOOL FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU ALLLLLLLLLL FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY MAUDLIN MIDWESTERN HEART.

Fuck, even Johnny Bon Rzeznizkz would think you guys have lost it!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago) link

(just playin' btw. Me no hate, just stymied)

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago) link

I'm totally writing about All Shook Down for the Freelance Mentalists page this week. I'm clearly mental about it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 02:58 (twenty years ago) link

What's the Warrior Soul song that goes "'Cause I think you're beautiful"? I saw that video once when I was 11 or so and loved the song. Never heard it since though.

Prime Bon Jovi kills the Goo Goo Dolls WTF? Mike, do you rate Third Eye Blind on an album/home listening basis? I have Blue. I did defend it on here at one point and had a number of perfectly pleasant listens to it, but I have absolutely no need to hear any of it ever again. I haven't for at least a year and half probably.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 03:05 (twenty years ago) link

You're right about the superiority of prime Bon Jovi, I have a loathing for Bon Jovi that defies all logic. I apologize.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 03:21 (twenty years ago) link

I have a loathing for Bon Jovi that defies all logic

No no, it's perfectly logical.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 03:21 (twenty years ago) link

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