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I am in absolute love with their colorful arrangements and interesting mixtures of instruments. The weirdness in the song structures and lyrics... I have been listening to them almost non-stop lately.

Anyone else a fan here?

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yes i like them, purely on the basis of '5000 Spirits' and 'Hangman's'. Anything else worth buying?

pete s, Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm a big fan, in fact I'd go as far as to say that Robin Williamson is one of my favorite songwriters ever.

What's yr favorite stuff?

I'm a big defender of their later stuff as well as the early 'good' stuff, though not so into either of their solo stuff...

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

pete - DEFINITELY pick up The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter and Wee Tam & The Big Huge

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

and the first record, too.

hstencil, Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

I second roger adultery's exact same recommendations. :)

I also love Mike Heron's solo record, esp. the song "Audrey."

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

oops you already have Hangman's, pete...sorry

WEE TAM is my favorite. Lyrically, musically...everything. "Ducks on A Pond" is the most psychedelic song to ever feature kazoo, and somebody like Oldham or Sufjan really oughta cover "Puppies"

Changing Horses is cool too! Ain't that the one with "Big Ted" on it?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah re 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter' i haven't listened to it in a long while; might do that now. I particularly liked 'Waltz of the New Moon' and 'The Water Song' i remember.
I've toyed with getting 'Wee Tam' and 'The Big Huge' (split on to two cds irritatingly), 'U' and 'I Looked Up'.
The first three should be remastered.

pete s, Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hangman's is one of my favorite albums, the others are decent but none of them come close.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

Everything up to Wee Tam & the Big Huge is certainly excellent, maybe even 'essential' (!), although the first self-titled LP sticks relatively close to trad folk and is probably less distinctive.

I'm with Roger on Wee Tam being something of a high water mark.

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Sunday, 29 February 2004 21:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love them. They are one of the few bands I've remained fanatical about in recent years. I think they were the best band to come out of the 60s.

John Coltrane will always be my alltime favorite across the board, but The Incredible String Band are not far behind.

Robin Williamson's Skirting the River Road was the greatest album released last year. It accomplishes everything I think music should accomplish. I get the feeling it has been overlooked as was Paddy McAloon's I Trawl the Megaherz.

For the longest time I had a framed vinyl copy of The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter displayed in my office at work and I would tell people that Williamson is my father and I was the young boy standing near him. That album is often my bible.

Marcus Barr (Marcus Barr), Sunday, 29 February 2004 22:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

Changing Horses, as I understand it, is kinda the beginning of the end, as their involvement in Scientology increased. There are still some good songs on it, though -- "Big Ted," as someone else has mentioned, "Mr and Mrs," "White Bird" (though the solo guitar stuff does get kinda tedious). After that, I kinda part ways with the ISB, though "This Moment" is a wonderful song (I forget which album it's from).

Prude (Prude), Sunday, 29 February 2004 23:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

Scientology? Oh dear that's very sad. Are they better now?

pete s, Sunday, 29 February 2004 23:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

Mike's been out of it for a while, not sure if Robin is still in it or not.

Prude (Prude), Sunday, 29 February 2004 23:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

(Well someone's probably better off now, though whether those'd be ISB guys...)

"Job's Tears", the opening song on 'Wee Tam' is but one of the many marvels of the 'Wee/Huge' couple.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 29 February 2004 23:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

"jobs tears" is excellent! i really like "the creation" as well, but its a bit of an acquired taste.

zappi (joni), Sunday, 29 February 2004 23:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love "Job's Tears," too. It's a curious song, coming from them, as they were flirting with Scientology at the time and before had followed what seems to me a free-floating, pan-religious mysticism. And here you've got a song about Jesus. (There's actually quite a bit of Christian imagery on Wee Tam and the Big Huge.) It's a wonderful song, it's just been hard to reconcile it with the rest of their stuff.

Prude (Prude), Sunday, 29 February 2004 23:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Job's Tears" was, accidentally, the piece that really turned ISB on for me - heard on a pretty poor sounding cassette, taped from a crackling vinyl, etc&soforth.
I had already listened to a bit of their stuff, even had the 'Hangman' on cd by then, and yet it was "Job's Tears" that kinda gripped me properly.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 1 March 2004 00:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

I love "Job's Tears," too. It's a curious song, coming from them, as they were flirting with Scientology at the time and before had followed what seems to me a free-floating, pan-religious mysticism.

I'm not really sure they were flirting with Scientology when "Job's Tears" was recorded, that came later - the influence of ol' LRH is definitely there on everything they did from "Changing Horses" onwards. Can I just say that "Liquid Acrobat As Regards the Air" is easily the best thing they did post-Scientology - altho some of Robin's songs are a bit feeble on it, all of Mike's songs are great and Robin contributes their best "long song" since the glory days: "Darling Belle".

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 1 March 2004 12:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
When I saw this question I thought "Aha! A job for me!"

But you've all answered it already, left me nothing to add. Except that "This Moment" is on *I Looked Up*. A high spot, yes, on another patchy album.

Colin Greenland (Colin Greenland), Saturday, 27 March 2004 11:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Nobody's mentioned the recently re-issued U, which is surely one of the craziest double-albums released from that era. At its best, it matches the classic-era stuff, though at it's worst ("Bad Sadie Lee"), well...let's not go there.

My favorite post-Elektra tunes by them are "Antoine" and "Seagull", both Heron songs on Earthspan.

I recently picked up this CD by them of BBC sessions called "On Air". I know the CD is pretty rare (at least here in the U.S.); I remember seeing it in the mid-80s when CDs first came out, but you never see it anymore. Does anyone know when these sessions were recorded? I think Malcolm LeMaistre was in the band, so it must have been in their later years...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 27 March 2004 13:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

They're from various John Peel sessions but all from the Malcolm Le Maistre years. 'Twould be nice to see this reissued with proper sleevenotes and track info and improved sound quality but given how crappy and bitty these BBC session albums tend to be, that's probably too much to ask for. "1968" might just be the best song Mike Heron wrote, post-1968.

Dadaismus (Dada), Saturday, 27 March 2004 15:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

holy shit. these guys are touring??

frankE (frankE), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

Web site says they're doing "A Very Cellular Song." Sweet!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

no robin though :(

zappi (joni), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

The US dates are just Mike Heron and Clive Palmer + keyboard player. But I'm still going: they're all over the midwest and are playing the Blue Note in Columbia MO in a few weeks. One of my favorite bands (or a version thereof) in one of my favorite clubs. Yay!

Has anyone heard their (newish) Nebulous Nearness album? It's supposed to be rerecordings of the "hits"....

Roy Kasten, Friday, 24 September 2004 16:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

Clive is awesome, of course. I wonder what all he's doing in the set.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

Espers (Rochester, NY) will be the opening act.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 24 September 2004 16:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

even if they are just an approximation of the early days, i just cannot see myself going to their show here in chicago. logan square auditorium's accoustics could make a pin drop sound like a flop in the mud.

frankE (frankE), Friday, 24 September 2004 19:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

Clive and Mike look awesome in that picture. I love those guys.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 24 September 2004 19:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

Espers (Rochester, NY) will be the opening act.
-- gygax! (gygax0...), September 24th, 2004

espers (fishtown, philadelphia, PA) will be the opening act. they opened for Ghost last night. very witchy folk.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

gygax! = pwned

Reed Moore (diamond), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

i used to live in chris esper's old house!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 24 September 2004 20:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

gygax! = pwned
-- Reed Moore, September 24th, 2004

not really. i've deferred to quentin compson on many issues in the past. one slip up about a local band (that has hardly any fans at home) is inconsequential.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 25 September 2004 12:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

oh i am sooo burned. but in all seriousness folx, i think their drummer is in Rochester.

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

their drummer is chris and he lives in philly. seriously, you dont want to niggle over these facts with 2 philly people reading this thread, do you?

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 25 September 2004 15:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

the drummer/2nd guitarist named otto hauser.

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

From Locust Music:
Espers started just a few short years ago as a trio from Philly featuring singer/songwriter Greg Weeks, Meg Baird and Brooke Sietinsons. Their infectious sound is quickly brought them increased attention on the burgeoning Philadelphia loft scene and stints performing with legends like Bridget St. John & Michael Hurley. Over the past 6 months, they've dazzled audiences at music festivals in the Midwest & Northeast and have often expanded the nucleus of the group to a mesmerizing multipiece act.

Their magical self titled debut combines the elemental sound of acid-folk with the baroque arrangements of late 60s chamber rock. Fully versed in the sumptuous vernacular of drug music, the cradle of Appalachian song, and the succinct truths of the three-minute pop ballad, Espers is an irresistible collection of sweet and subtle songs essential for fans of Fairport Convention, Pentangle, Jackson C. Franck, Linda Perhacs, Bread, Love & Dreams and Bert Jansch. Espers give us the sound of music the way it should be heard - with the ease, infectious grace and absolute beauty of an ever expansive trio bound for always greater pastures.
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OK, so they're a six piece now. Chris plays some percussion/bass, and they have a percussionist. they don't really have a drummer as such. so it's: two acoustic guitarists, a keybs/harpsichord, bass, cellist, percussionist.

sad thing is MTS, based on the crowd for Ghost the other night, most folks in philly don't know about them either.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

"the drummer/2nd guitarist named otto hauser"

Dude bought everything Ghost were selling.

If I didn't have to work tomorrow night, i'd find a way to get over to the NorthStar. It's a banner day when I cross Broad St.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

They actually transport a harpsichord to gigs?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

Crap Tim, I meant autoharp. I have harpsichord on the brain.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

espers = the new bardo pond

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

Saw them when they originally reformed (ie with Robin and his tone-deaf wife), five and six times, and , to be honest, they were rarely any good. Odd that Mike Heron seems to be leading the band now considering that, when I saw them, he seemed like a bit of a sixties casualty. I think I'd rather have Malcolm le maistre in the band than Clive Palmer.

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Sunday, 26 September 2004 15:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

Clive is a very talented dude. I don't know what he's doing in their set now, though.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 26 September 2004 16:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

What he seemed to be doing when I was saw them was plunking arthritically on a banjo and looking terribly embarrassed. Anyway, there's no way you can have the Incredible String Band without Robin Williamson.

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 09:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

So they shouldn't keep playing as a band then. They should retire instead.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

Mike Heron should release his own music and people should buy it in their droves - I know, hopelessly romantic

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

They were playing as a band. Robin quit. There's no reason they should not continue playing as a band.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'd liken it to the Stones without Keith Richards - possible certainly but desirable, certainly not

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 18:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

But your point is semantic: they're not "the Incredible String Band." The point is not significant. The main issue is whether or not they're playing well and putting on good shows.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

I hope they are but, when I saw them, Robin Williamson WAS the band

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

They're playing as a three piece for the U.S. tour. This from their website:

"The Incredible String Band will be doing some downsizing for their forthcoming US tour, their first in thirty years.  The economic constraints of transatlantic touring mean the ISB will be going over as a three-piece in September - Mike Heron, Clive Palmer and Lawson Dando.  This also opens the way for a more acoustic and intimate approach, well suited to the spirit of their classic 1966-70 albums from which they will be drawing the greater part of their concert repertoire.  Lawson will accordingly be playing less keyboards, concentrating instead on guitar, mandolin, harmonium, percussion etc."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

If Mike is back to full fighting form then it should be good - when I saw them his powers looked pretty diminished

Jedermann sein eigener Fussball (Dada), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 19:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

the drummer/2nd guitarist named otto hauser.
-- gygax! (gygax0...), September 25th, 2004

confirmed that otto's from rochester. he claimed that we'd met at a party once. i have no recollection of this [swigs vodka from glass]!

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 23:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
otto is a good guy.

i got 5000 spirits today. it's great. yeah.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

it's good but i didn't get any that night, so it'll never be my favorite.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 04:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

i got some. but not as a direct result of ISB.. we listened to Wee Tam though.

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 17:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

rad.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 17:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
you know, the famous jug band's "sunshine possibilities" lp is really very good!

better than the c.o.b. lps, which are just ok.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

You gotta be kidding me. Spirit of Love is a great album.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

it has its moments... i find some of the stuff on it sort of cheezy

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Like what?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

Moyshe McStiff & the Tartan Lancers of the Sacred Heart is a MONSTER album, undeniably classic! wtf?? I would like to get Spirit of Love, is it in print???

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

Hey! What the hell is this: http://www.amazon.com/Tricks-Senses-Incredible-String-Band/dp/B001K859PC
Anybody heard it? Worth the $$$?

tylerw, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

haven't heard it yet, but 'All Too Much for Me/Take Your Burden to the Lord/Let It Shine on Me' was previously on some versions of the Chelsea Sessions CD, was recorded at the same time as Wee Tam & Big Huge and is just as good as anything on those albums.

zappi, Thursday, 12 February 2009 01:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

I'll sing you this October song,
Oh, there is no song before it.
The words and tune are none of my own,
for my joys and sorrows bore it.

Beside the sea
The brambly briars in the still of evening,
Birds fly out behind the sun,
and with them I'll leavng.

The fallen leaves that jewel the ground,
They know the art of dying,
And leave with joy their glad gold hearts,
In the scarlet shadows lying.

When hunger calls my footsteps home,
The morning follows after,
I swim the seas within my mind,
And the pine-trees laugh green laughter.

I sed to search for happiness,
And I used to follow pleasure,
But I found a door behind my mind,
And that's the greatest treasure.

For rulers like to lay down laws,
And rebels like to break them,
And the poor priests like to walk in chains,
And God likes to forsake the.

I met a man whose name was Time,
And he said, "I must be goin,"
But just how long that was,
I have no way of knowing.

Sometimes I want to murder time,
Sometimes when my heart's aching,
But mostly I just stroll along,
The path that he is taking.

ian, Saturday, 17 October 2009 04:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

every cell in my body has it all writ down.

Trip Maker, Saturday, 17 October 2009 14:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

one day when the moon was full i thought i might settle down
found myself a pretty little girl
and i stopped all my running around
but just when the preacher come along
and he's just gonna pop on the ring
this funny little hedgehog comes
running down the aisle
and i don't have to tell you what he did sing

kamerad, Saturday, 17 October 2009 15:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

highly recommend this radio bcast from 1968. http://ow.ly/eBVVJ

tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:15 (7 months ago) Permalink

The Clive Palmer book through Helter Skelter was a very interesting read. Not sure if it would be remotely available now. I got it for a couple of pounds a few years ago, think literally £2, probably from FOPP.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Empty-Pocket-Blues-Music-Palmer/dp/190513925X

right you can get it then.

Stevolende, Friday, 19 October 2012 17:21 (7 months ago) Permalink

huh didn't know that existed. looks good. i need to get those COB records too.

tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 17:28 (7 months ago) Permalink

They or at least Moyshe Mcstiff was the main impetus for the setting up of Sunbeam records thanks to Richard Morton Jack having worked for the rip-off artists at Radioactive.
RMJ wanted to do the release as well as he could and make sure royalties were paid, Radioactive weren't so hot on the royalties.

Anyway, I'd recommend the Sunbeam Moyshe, haven't seen if they have a Spirit Of Love & can't find one mentioned.
I have one on another label, not sure which.

There was a live set from '72 on Dime in May. think it was pretty good.

Stevolende, Friday, 19 October 2012 17:43 (7 months ago) Permalink

I couldn't make it through that Clive Palmer book. Must still have it around somewhere. I paid top whack (well - £15) for the Sunshine Possibilities album a few years ago and didn't think much of it. Consequently I've got a bit of a downer on Clive.

Saw Robin at the Half Moon Putney a couple of years ago and he was excellent.

Bob Six, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:54 (7 months ago) Permalink

would love to see williamson sometime. i saw the robin-less ISB a few years ago in the US w/ Palmer looking very amused/ancient.

tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:56 (7 months ago) Permalink

While my students were working on album-cover art the other day, one of them--triggered by having seen the covers for Cheap Thrills and After Bathing at Baxter's--asked to hear some actual hippie music. So I played "Dark Star" and "China Cat Sunflower" off YouTube, and then, just on a whim (it's not really hippie music, but it's strange, and great hippie music is almost always strange), I switched over to "A Very Cellular Song." My twenty-something student teacher: "What is that? That's awful."

clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 23:06 (7 months ago) Permalink

Couldn't take the gimbri?

timellison, Friday, 19 October 2012 23:58 (7 months ago) Permalink

haha i put on A Very Cellular Song at work a couple weeks ago, my co-worker couldn't deal.

searching for sug woman (JoeStork), Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:13 (7 months ago) Permalink

I tried playing a tape of the HGB lp on camp in the early days and it was viewed as unlistenable by Levellers fans. Gorlumme, how does one deal with people with poor taste?

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 October 2012 08:39 (7 months ago) Permalink

don't know where I got the initials HGB for HBD but anyway, would have thought that it would be more popular and even something that people would be familiar with. But no, people's noses turned up at one of the greatest lps of all time in favour of post-commercialisation Levellers. bleurgh.

Stevolende, Sunday, 21 October 2012 10:04 (7 months ago) Permalink

I thought you must be referring to something esoteric that only 'Stringheads' would know.

I think Wee Tam and BIg Huge are more 'accessible'.

Bob Six, Sunday, 21 October 2012 11:13 (7 months ago) Permalink

less magical though

Stevolende, Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:56 (7 months ago) Permalink

If asked to play hippie music I'd put on some "Gift from a Flower to a Garden"-era Donovan.

ISB is wonderful. Anyone that doesn't think so is lacking soul.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 21 October 2012 15:13 (7 months ago) Permalink

I've turned a lot of people on to ISB. I think set and setting are important to the enjoyment of music. I'm usually not working when I listen to them. Listened to Hangman's in its entirety on New Year's Day this year, that was good.

Trip Maker, Sunday, 21 October 2012 15:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

there's something strange and kinda spooky in the air while listening to ISB for the first time.

nostormo, Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:35 (7 months ago) Permalink

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Sunday, 21 October 2012 22:43 (7 months ago) Permalink

"Be Glad for the Song Has No Ending", a really incredible film originally made for BBC's Omnibus.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 22 October 2012 00:56 (7 months ago) Permalink

Every time I see a photo of a group of ragtag people standing in front of some trees, I think of ISB.
I almost tagged this picture ISB but I thought it was unnecessary

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 22 October 2012 00:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

I'm reading their Wikipedia page. I had forgotten they became Scientologists!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 22 October 2012 01:07 (7 months ago) Permalink

Listening to "Wee Tam" tonight. I really love the song "Air", so so beautiful.

Breathing, all creatures are
Brighter then than brightest star
You are by far
You come right inside of me
Close as you can be
You kiss my blood
And my blood kiss me.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 22 October 2012 01:43 (7 months ago) Permalink


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