Are the conditions right for a hot-shot gay rapper to shoot to the top of the charts?

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It's only a matter of time, isn't it?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 16:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

Erm, depends on the record. People don't buy records on an affirmative action basis. OMG -- a gay rapper -- I must buy his record...

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Caushun is a gay rapper.

Chris V (Chris V), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

what about Junior? or is Senior the gay one?

My Huckleberry Friend (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

ENRQ: I was just asking a question.

Pardon my ignorance, but is there a thriving gay rap scene? I'm asking without any sarcasm - I've yet to hear of any gay rappers. Educate me.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:04 (10 years ago) Permalink

I know this isn't of much help, but a while ago there was a long-ish article in the Times about gay rappers. Or maybe it was just about homosexuality in the black community. I forget. Damn.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

sadly, I think the answer to this thread is no.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

No way, no day. Hip Hop culture is severely homophobic.

gaydar, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:25 (10 years ago) Permalink

I read that Jeanne, but i think it was in the Guardian. About how some big name rappers get 'cookies' from other gay men. But they're not gay because they don't get bummed themselves.

scg, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:28 (10 years ago) Permalink

jeanne, are you talking about the nytimes magazine piece that ran maybe 3-6 months ago? it was about the d/l lifestyle within the hip-hop identified community, not necessarily about gay artists.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

Why was 'cookies' in quotes?

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

* * **** *

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was being racist. Laughing at the black man speak.

scg, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

the guardian ripped off a piece from the nyt piece. i think it may well have been by toure. in any case, i think it's extraordinarily unlikely.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

what are 'cookies' i meant.

i don't hink it's unlikely at all--it isn't hardcore rap fans who get records to the top of the charts is it? eminem is kinda gay anyway.

ENRQ (Enrique), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 17:57 (10 years ago) Permalink

Where does "Wham Rap!" figure into this?

rainman (rainman), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

Didn't one of the Pet Shop Boys rap on "Yesterday When I Was Mad"?

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

there's a gay rap crew in Oakland called The Deep Dick Collective. haven't heard them yet

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

where's the kanye single on the charts again? < / annoying rumor that won't go away >

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:26 (10 years ago) Permalink

Didn't one of the Pet Shop Boys rap on "Yesterday When I Was Mad"?

"West End Girls" IS a rap song. Neil T. confirmed what was obvious when he said much of the song's inspiration was "The Message."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 18:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

is that Extra Fancy a rap group or nu-metal, like? I can't remember what they sounded like...

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:18 (10 years ago) Permalink

Sleaze-rock. Sorta. I guess.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

jeanne, are you talking about the nytimes magazine piece that ran maybe 3-6 months ago? it was about the d/l lifestyle within the hip-hop identified community, not necessarily about gay artists.

Yes, I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same thing. The "d/l" thing. It mentioned D/L dance clubs in the Bronx and whatnot, right? It was definitely a Times piece, not a Guardian piece.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 21:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Check it out: http://www.gayhiphop.com/main.html

Sym (shmuel), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 23:47 (10 years ago) Permalink

a lot of rappers who've hit number one are totally gay

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:05 (10 years ago) Permalink

i wanted to post some images like this:

so i went to google and typed cam'ron into the image search engine and found this (Not Safe For Work or Home)

JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

Givin' cookies: Gay sex in the hip hop world

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:17 (10 years ago) Permalink

Yes, I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same thing. The "d/l" thing. It mentioned D/L dance clubs in the Bronx and whatnot, right? It was definitely a Times piece, not a Guardian piece.

here is the guardian piece. it ripped off the nyt piece

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 12:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

You can listen to a Radio 1 documentary on the subject (Gayz In The Hood) at...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/stevelamacq/documentaries/gayznthehood_20021111.shtml

laticsmon (laticsmon), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 14:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dave - I think they were thinking of the piece I linked to above yours, not the Zoe Williams thing, which is less specific all round.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 23:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Another interesting thing would be, how many big mainstream hip-hop acts have come out in defence of gay rights. I think The Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy did (their debut album is very much like a collection of all kinds of intellectual liberal views, but I am not sure of any others. Did Public Enemy ever do? (They have done anti-sexism lyrics, which is kind of unusual among male hip-hop acts as well)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 23 May 2005 22:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

uh PE was totally homophobic

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 23 May 2005 22:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

haha their anti-sexism lyrics were pretty sexist too

j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 23 May 2005 22:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm waiting for 50 Cent and Lil Jon to say they did guys. There's always a great disturbance in the Force whenever I hear their shit on the radio (one can only hope it's true).

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 23 May 2005 22:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Are the conditions right for a hot-shot Geir Hongro to shoot to the top of the statscock?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 23 May 2005 22:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...
AllHipHop.com: You know, Brokeback Mountain is huge�

T.I.: [Laughs] Now, why the f**k are you gonna ask me a question about Brokeback Mountain?

AllHipHop.com: Would you ever make a song with a gay rapper?

T.I.: Hell no! We don't mix.

AllHipHop.com: Really?

T.I.: Who is the gay rapper?

AllHipHop.com: I don't know.

T.I.: There is no gay rapper to make a song with, so that question is non-applicable!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 March 2006 02:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

Back in '88 when I was listening to NWA and The Frogs a lot I thought combining the two was a great idea. All this time and still no one's capitalized on it yet.

FYI Kanye is pro-gay (has a gay cousin) which is unheard of in hip-hop - maybe where the rumors come from?

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 13 March 2006 02:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

joe budden lol

o -- (eman), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

How about a white, English, gay rapper? Meet Qboy.
http://www.qboy.co.uk/

davidsim (davidsim), Monday, 13 March 2006 12:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Like Eminem but less camp"

ROFFLEZ

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Monday, 13 March 2006 12:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

Skateboard P

cracktivity1 (cracktivity1), Monday, 13 March 2006 12:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

LSD- Not to change the subject entirely, but can you explain “Light a candle, run laps around the English Channel, Neptunes’ got a cocker spaniel”?

Noreaga- Well, when you light a candle, that’s saluting your dead peoples. Light a Candle. And then, what’s the English Channel? It’s a big pool of water and it’s overseas. So I’m trying to say that when I light a candle I’m that strong that I can run laps around the English Channel. And Neptunes [producers featured prominently on Noreaga’s two solo albums] have a cocker spaniel. ‘Cause they homo.
[Pause]

LSD- Oh. All right.

Noreaga- Neptunes is homo. You won’t hear another Neptunes track again on Noreaga again in your life. I didn’t know that they hand was broken. [makes limp-wristed gesture]

LSD- Is this a recent discovery?

Noreaga- It’s a recent discovery after the “Oh No” video. After money had the tight choker on in that video. And we started asking questions, and people from Virginia started telling us that he’s a straight Flagrino. And he takes it up the ass. I cut him off.

LSD- Even though the beats--

Noreaga- Fuck the beats! [laughter] I can’t fuck with nobody that Mohammed used to throw off the hill. You know, Mohammed used to take all the homo niggas in the village, and he’d take ‘em to the top of the hill and he tricked them. He’d tell ‘em ‘Yo, jump down there’, and when they’d jump down there, they killed they self. We don’t fuck with homo. I like lesbians though. I’ma stand up--I like lesbians and dykes. If you’re lesbian and dyke you’re okay to me, but if you’re a homo, I don’t even like you.

LSD- So you’re pretty clear about that.

Noreaga- I’m clear about that. Y’all ain’t homo are you? [laughter]

cracktivity1 (cracktivity1), Monday, 13 March 2006 12:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't Eazy-E gay? Or does it make me a horrible person for spreading that around.

musically (musically), Monday, 13 March 2006 12:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

I’m that strong that I can run laps around the English Channel.

this i would like to see

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 13 March 2006 13:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

Light a candle, run laps around the English Channel,

that's a great line!

noreaga sounds like a class act.

amateurist0, Monday, 13 March 2006 13:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

Was Mohammed okay with lesbians also?

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 13 March 2006 13:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

if they be gettin it on in his front room, yeah

RJG (RJG), Monday, 13 March 2006 13:59 (8 years ago) Permalink

You just know that there's a hip-hop equivalent of Rob Halford out there somewhere, waiting for the right climate to come out. If Noreaga's comments are typical, then clearly the time isn't right. (Gotta admit that his bizarre Mohammed anecdote was dismaying enough to be funny, tho.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

There is no gay rapper to make a song with, so that question is non-applicable!

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 13 March 2006 20:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

homophobic musicians gotta be the biggest assholes on the planet, I think, I hope they all die broke

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Monday, 13 March 2006 20:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

What's with the selective indignation regarding hip-hop and "homophobia"? Hip-hop seems light years away from joining the rest of civilization in promoting decent heterosexual relationships, nevermind tolerating ones that most of them don't engage in.

It's this penny-wise, pound-foolish mentality where a rapper can treat women like shit and promote crass materialism and violence but as long as he's down with gays he won't be regarded as a social retard by the media.

For an example, let's say there are two rappers: Rapper A promotes black literacy and history and downplays material wealth and sex in his music. The thing is he's of the Southern Baptist-mold of black religion and has been known to refer to homosexuals as "fags". Rapper B is your standard chauvinist rapper who instructs women to shake their T&A for him and brags about his wealth, his race, his origin, etc. but he is also for championing homosexual acceptance and condemns homophobia in hip-hop. Assuming they are both equally popular and their stances are equally known (relatively) by people in the media, who do you think is more likely to get magazine covers for bringing "intelligence" back into the mainstream of hip-hop? Who do you think is more "enlightened" and by how much?

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 13 March 2006 21:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

B, by approximately two T's and one A.

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, 13 March 2006 21:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

Cunga, you can be a Southern Baptist with negative feelings about homosexuality without referring to gays as "fags." I don't get the validity of either of your constructs.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

That's because there is no validity to any of his constructs.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

what he said.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

fwiw, that N.O.R.E. interview is at least 5 years old, because it says it was after "Oh No" and his first two solo albums, and since then the Neptunes have done tracks on God's Favorite plus his current single "I'm A G". So either he decided Pharrell is not a straight Flagrino or he realized he doesn't have much of a career w/out their beats.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't Eazy-E gay? Or does it make me a horrible person for spreading that around.

It probably makes you a horrible person for supposing that only gay people can die of AIDS.

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hey, I didn't suppose that! Everyone else did, though, and I never knew if they were serious or if it was just gossip. Anyway, I will just assume he wasn't because Suge Knight is probably reading this right now.

musically (musically), Monday, 27 March 2006 06:27 (8 years ago) Permalink


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