Conservative Music / Conservative Politics

When you get as far right as anarchy, the morality component is removed.

reproductive rights i 'spect with anarchy tho 'rights' don't necessarily come into play

I don't know that many anarchists are that into hyperindividualism (well maybe lots are, but I don't think it's the majority of it), it's often more about small collectives than every man for himself.

Because pack mentality is inherent. And in any pack, there's a leader. And out of that comes rules and government. Thus, anarchy is flawed at its core.

Actually, if we're looking at anarchism historically (i.e. the beliefs of those who have described themselves as anarchists in the past), it's just as much about the abolition of capitalism as it is about the abolition of the state. In the late 19th and 20th centuries most anarchists tended to support leftist causes such as unionism, anti-fascism, anti-globalization, etc. Anarchism would more literally mean lack of rulers or lack of hierarchy than lack of government per se -- and most anarchists seem to believe in a kind of democratic-socialist collectivism rather than some sort of extreme laissez-faire capitalism (a form of government that, if anything, would lead to even more rigid hierarchies).

I mean, there ARE self-described "anarcho-capitalists", but they're a very recent phenomenon and pretty much hate the sort of anarchists Crass would be. The fact is, whether they want to admit it or not, Crass-style anarchists are pretty solidly on the left, considering the causes they tend to support (anti-capitalism, anti-militarism, anti-racism, etc.).

This goes a but beyond music, but I thought I'd just revive this thread rather than create a 1-reply wonder.

Are there any creative fields/groups/genres, other than maybe country musicians, that are generally conservative? Or even just not liberal-leaning? I ask because everytime someone whines about "liberal Hollywood", it's wonder why creative artists in Hollywood should be any less liberal than artists everywhere else. It's like whining that nuns in the Vatican are religious or something.

National Socialist Black Metallers

NV, as I said above, this goes a but above music

*throws iPhone at the wall*

"a but"?

Writing novels.

a but beyond

I'm really good at thread revives btw

xpost do you think novelists in general aren't left-leaning?

quilters

scrapbookers

oh this is ilm i guess

Quilters and scrapbookers otm, although I bet their relative conservatism is influenced by their being 75 years old.

Yes. Ted Nugent immediately comes to mind. He's a right wing extremist which only means he aligns now directly with the Tea Party and radical GOP.

I had a couple videos from a fiat money/goldbug kook who was also a folk artist singing at Ron Paul rallies. Paul attracts lots of musicians. I did a few blog posts on a heavy metal band, Pokerface,
who were extreme right Holocaust deniers who campaigned for him. This became a small source of embarrassment.

The Tea Party attracts a motley collection of artists. All of them generally bad. But it's not restricted to one genre. The badness extends across everything.

There are a lot of confused musicians in the mainstream who are attracted to the weird politics of Alex Jones.

There's a lot of Conservatives in Metal if you factor in the apolitical guys with the outspoken wingnuts.

Or even just not liberal-leaning? I ask because everytime someone whines about "liberal Hollywood",

I hate this phrase because there are tons of movies that have had mad conservative leanings.

yeah, most of them

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The Nuge, yeah, and there are other isolated examples - chuck norris, charlton heston, that one really unfunny early 90s SNL actress, etc. But I mean entire creative fields. Like if you picked a random sample of 20 playwrights or sculptors or architects, I'm assuming (wrongly) that they would generally lean left. And I think that's true of most artistic/creative pursuits, except for maybe country music, quilters and scrapbookers. So I'm asking, why in the world would anyone expect that Hollywood would be any different?

I hate this phrase because there are tons of movies that have had mad conservative leanings.

Yep. This whole stupid revive was brought about by thinking around Dangerous Minds.

Because there are many prominent actors and a few prominent directors who talk about their political views to the national news media.

Not many sculptors who do that.

I've never seen Dangerous Minds. What's the conservative slant on it?

Ha, I haven't seen it since it came out, but I just remember that there's a school full of dangerous minds, and only a courageous white woman can teach them how to live

I suppose that's not conservative, just really awkward to watch

I dunno, the main deal is that most creative fields don't lead to big cash for most practitioners, and big cash and conservatism are positively correlated to say the least.

I suppose that's not conservative, just really awkward to watch

I was gonna say, "white person gives the minorities a VOICE/DIRECTION" is liberal boilerplate

lol liberal Hollywood

Hollywood still makes comedies and dramas starring heterosexual couples getting married, right?

xposts Sure, but it seems like the creative-liberal connection comes first, long before money enters the equation.

If big cash wasn't involved Hollywood movies would be way more liberal

I dunno about that

it's one of the most sexist/racist divisions in the entertainment industry, for one thing

how are we defining "liberal" and "conservative" here

From what I've seen so far in the most conventional fashion.

well it just seems so far that "liberal" = "stuff I like" and "conservative" = "stuff I don't like"

Well I don't know, aren't country musicians generally conservative leaning? I could be wrong, but I remember patriotic Toby Keith being huge, and heretical Dixie chicks getting shunned from the community

we're making vast generalizations here, none of which are really accurate, country included. I could rattle off a bunch of country guys who have held liberal positions about various things over the years.

... including Toby Keith, which is the hilarious thing

^^^exactly!

I would venture to say country musicians are more liberal than their audience on the whole

what's going on here?

life

Well I don't know, aren't country musicians generally conservative leaning?

yeah no

Tim McGraw's a Dem.

Brad Paisley