Hey, it's all the chicken dippers you can eat.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 09:46 (fifteen years ago) link
The satanists have never had a major influenced on the outcome of Norwegian elections...
-- Geir Hongro, Tuesday, September 2, 2008 9:34 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
but they have had some influence? mind boggled.
my Grandad had a side-job delivering yachts to rich people, which was great because they were effectively very well-paid sailing holidays. once in norway he moored the boat and struck up a conversation with a weatherbeaten man standing on the jetty. after a good 30 minutes chat about boats, fish, weather and so on, he asked this chap "what do you do then?" - "Oh, I'm the king of Norway".
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― Thomas, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 10:08 (fifteen years ago) link
This may well be true. The former king, Olav, was even an Olympic sailing champion. :)
― Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 10:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Have you read Pale Fire Geir? I always think of Olav when I read that for some reason.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 10:42 (fifteen years ago) link
hi-caliber, the right-wing rapper.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 March 2009 15:00 (fifteen years ago) link
I think I predicted the recession on this thread. And bought a house three months later.
― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 2 March 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link
"Literally it was like an epiphany, I mean... ten minutes of listening to Michael Savage and my whole views on the world changed."
― ilxor, Monday, 2 March 2009 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link
maxpower1013hahahahahahahAn uneducated guy accidently listens to Savage one day and becomes "conservative." At this point at just feel sorry for them
hahahahahahahAn uneducated guy accidently listens to Savage one day and becomes "conservative." At this point at just feel sorry for them
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 2 March 2009 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
camfield
I've always hated rap. It's a cheap way of getting the attention of dim minds. It's definitely not music, and it's a far cry from poetry. To me, it's sort of in the same category as some idiot driving by in his car with the windows down, fancy speakers, and some senseless bit of modern "music" playing at full volume and the bass all the way up.
I suppose next, we'll be having a rap version of the Star Spangled Banner forced upon us at the beginning of sporting events.
― whiney gangrene wit (and what), Monday, 2 March 2009 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link
anonymous ad hominen: rap music is the equivalent of some idiot playing rap music
― schlump, Monday, 2 March 2009 16:17 (fifteen years ago) link
five years too late, but anyone describing Crass as "extreme left" doesn't know a goddamn thing about their philosophy, their albums, or their lyrics. they hated the extreme left in general and commies in particular.
― sleeve, Monday, 2 March 2009 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Uhm, you can't get further left than anarchism, sleeve.
― i fuck mathematics, Monday, 2 March 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link
so, so wrong. read some more.
― sleeve, Monday, 2 March 2009 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I suggest Edward Abbey's book of essays for starters, can't remember the title but it's the one with the "In Defense Of Anarchism" essay.
― sleeve, Monday, 2 March 2009 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link
If anything, Anarchism is very very very extremely right. Abolish government rule, every man for himself.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 March 2009 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link
ten minutes of listening to Michael Savage and my whole views on the world changed.
to be fair, 10 minutes of michael savage could fuck up a lot of people's brains.
― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 2 March 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
the social darwinism aspect of anarchy is rather right, but then you've got absolute individual liberty (w/r/t speech, assembly, sexuality, religion, privacy, reproductive rights etc.) which is pretty left.
― now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Monday, 2 March 2009 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
When you get as far right as anarchy, the morality component is removed.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 March 2009 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link
reproductive rights i 'spect with anarchy tho 'rights' don't necessarily come into play
― now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Monday, 2 March 2009 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't know that many anarchists are that into hyperindividualism (well maybe lots are, but I don't think it's the majority of it), it's often more about small collectives than every man for himself.
― Ralph, Waldo, Emerson, Lake & Palmer (Merdeyeux), Monday, 2 March 2009 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Because pack mentality is inherent. And in any pack, there's a leader. And out of that comes rules and government. Thus, anarchy is flawed at its core.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 March 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually, if we're looking at anarchism historically (i.e. the beliefs of those who have described themselves as anarchists in the past), it's just as much about the abolition of capitalism as it is about the abolition of the state. In the late 19th and 20th centuries most anarchists tended to support leftist causes such as unionism, anti-fascism, anti-globalization, etc. Anarchism would more literally mean lack of rulers or lack of hierarchy than lack of government per se -- and most anarchists seem to believe in a kind of democratic-socialist collectivism rather than some sort of extreme laissez-faire capitalism (a form of government that, if anything, would lead to even more rigid hierarchies).
― i fuck mathematics, Monday, 2 March 2009 22:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean, there ARE self-described "anarcho-capitalists", but they're a very recent phenomenon and pretty much hate the sort of anarchists Crass would be. The fact is, whether they want to admit it or not, Crass-style anarchists are pretty solidly on the left, considering the causes they tend to support (anti-capitalism, anti-militarism, anti-racism, etc.).
― i fuck mathematics, Monday, 2 March 2009 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link
This goes a but beyond music, but I thought I'd just revive this thread rather than create a 1-reply wonder.
Are there any creative fields/groups/genres, other than maybe country musicians, that are generally conservative? Or even just not liberal-leaning? I ask because everytime someone whines about "liberal Hollywood", it's wonder why creative artists in Hollywood should be any less liberal than artists everywhere else. It's like whining that nuns in the Vatican are religious or something.
― Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
National Socialist Black Metallers
― dave lool (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
NV, as I said above, this goes a but above music
*throws iPhone at the wall*
― Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
"a but"?
― o. nate, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
Writing novels.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
a but beyond
I'm really good at thread revives btw
― Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
xpost do you think novelists in general aren't left-leaning?
― Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
quilters
― Hell. to. the. No. (Matt P), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
scrapbookers
― Hell. to. the. No. (Matt P), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
oh this is ilm i guess
― Hell. to. the. No. (Matt P), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
Quilters and scrapbookers otm, although I bet their relative conservatism is influenced by their being 75 years old.
― Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
Yes. Ted Nugent immediately comes to mind. He's a right wing extremist which only means he aligns now directly with the Tea Party and radical GOP.
I had a couple videos from a fiat money/goldbug kook who was also a folk artist singing at Ron Paul rallies. Paul attracts lots of musicians. I did a few blog posts on a heavy metal band, Pokerface,who were extreme right Holocaust deniers who campaigned for him. This became a small source of embarrassment.
The Tea Party attracts a motley collection of artists. All of them generally bad. But it's not restricted to one genre. The badness extends across everything.
There are a lot of confused musicians in the mainstream who are attracted to the weird politics of Alex Jones.
― Gorge, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
There's a lot of Conservatives in Metal if you factor in the apolitical guys with the outspoken wingnuts.
― dave lool (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
Or even just not liberal-leaning? I ask because everytime someone whines about "liberal Hollywood",
I hate this phrase because there are tons of movies that have had mad conservative leanings.
― kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, most of them
― i hate it when rats eat my bushels (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
^
― kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
The Nuge, yeah, and there are other isolated examples - chuck norris, charlton heston, that one really unfunny early 90s SNL actress, etc. But I mean entire creative fields. Like if you picked a random sample of 20 playwrights or sculptors or architects, I'm assuming (wrongly) that they would generally lean left. And I think that's true of most artistic/creative pursuits, except for maybe country music, quilters and scrapbookers. So I'm asking, why in the world would anyone expect that Hollywood would be any different?
― Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
Yep. This whole stupid revive was brought about by thinking around Dangerous Minds.
― Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Because there are many prominent actors and a few prominent directors who talk about their political views to the national news media.
― kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Not many sculptors who do that.
― kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
I've never seen Dangerous Minds. What's the conservative slant on it?
― kkvgz, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, I haven't seen it since it came out, but I just remember that there's a school full of dangerous minds, and only a courageous white woman can teach them how to live
― Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
I suppose that's not conservative, just really awkward to watch
― Z S, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno, the main deal is that most creative fields don't lead to big cash for most practitioners, and big cash and conservatism are positively correlated to say the least.
― Euler, Friday, 15 July 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
I was gonna say, "white person gives the minorities a VOICE/DIRECTION" is liberal boilerplate
― Spotify, Spotify me (DJP), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
lol liberal Hollywood
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
Hollywood still makes comedies and dramas starring heterosexual couples getting married, right?
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 July 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link