Who Was the First Band to Use Cookie Monster Vocals?

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I was listening to Napalm Death's Scum the other day, and the question came to mind: who was the first band to use that growling singing style popularly known as "cookie monster vocals"? Any of the metalheads on here know? Just curious.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 09:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

Depends to what extent someone needs to growl to be considered cookie monster vocals.
Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells for instance has that gruff bit.

― Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 09:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

Blaine Cook from the Accused was the first high-end "hiyiyiyiya" shrieker (the other style on Scum), but the journey to low-end gurgling "hoyoyoyo" was a long slow descent. It just gradually happened, while bands played faster and faster. Even Scum is nothing compared to Mortician.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 09:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

if you mean the totally guttural and incomprehensible style of lee dorrian... well, probably lee dorrian. master's early stuff (1985) might count. kam lee? anyone?

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 10:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

Stevie Wonder on the last verse of "Livin' For the City"

― Joseph McCombs, Wednesday, 14 January 2004 11:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

Fields of the Neph

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 11:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

>Even Scum is nothing compared to Mortician.

Mortician's vocals are fantastic! They don't even sound like a sound produced by a human being; they sound like bass-amp distortion.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 15:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

The Doors 'Not to Touch the Earth' (at least the live version) has the first black metal scream and the first blast beat!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 15:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sorry I can't find a bigger image of it, but I'd say the first source of the Cookie Monster Vocals can be found on this from 1970....

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 16:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

they sound like bass-amp distortion.

I've always thought of it as a shovel scraping through thick, gravelly soil. I was surprised the first time I saw him sing live, exactly like that.

Here's a New Yorker cartoon about death metal moment that actually happened: Mortician's Will Rahmer explaining his vocal technique to an elderly matron of the arts, following that afternoon show Matthew Barney brought to the Guggenheim a while back.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 16:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm a bigger fan of:

― dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 16:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

Johnny Fiama coming through, singing a cheap knockoff of the James Bond theme.

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

The River Bottom Nightmare Band

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

Why Louis Armstrong of course. Though I'm sure you can find an earlier blues cat doing it.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

pre-metal-

Howlin' Wolf?
Captain Beefheart?

metal- Macabre?

― lone nut, Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think the vocals on Scum were a pretty new sound. Obituary would soon do it better though.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think Possessed's "Death Metal" demo ('84) came out before "Scum", no?

― Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

John Tardy from Obituary didn't do the Cookie Monster vocal, he did the crazy-homeless-guy-ranting-on-the-crosstown-bus vocal. Big difference.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 15 January 2004 16:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Repulsion, Possessed, Death and Voor were all over the gruff demon sound back in '85. Multiply the influence of those bands during the next 2-3 years, and by the time of Scum it was common. Shit, Morbid Angel's 1987 Thy Kingdom Come demo is still one of the most harrowing vocal performances ever. If you really need convincing, take note that Scum uses two different vocalists that both already sound that way. Scum is a landmark album, but I can barely imagine a band more informed of their surroundings than ND.

Looking back a bit, I think Lemmy owned the territory until Venom, but after that it was a month-by-month slide into oblivion. The mid-80s were like the Minutemen era of death metal, and all those later more famous bands like Cannibal Corpse, Obituary, and even Deicide were mostly responsible for streamlining and commercializing the style. One reason black metal euros hated Florida death metal so much.

All of this is hilarious!

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought Extreme Noise Terror were doing this back in 85 or 86, unless I missattributed when they began.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

THere's also the Anti-Nowhere League.. although musically, they're more like Oi than grind.

― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 15 January 2004 18:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

I don't think the Possessed vocals came anywhere near where they would be on Scum. I also think Barney Greenway was a huge step up in the vocal dept. for ND.

I actaully think you'd file John Tardy in the guy-on-the-top-of-the-pile-of-dead-bodies-so-we-just-miked-him style.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

How did Cannibal Corpse, Obituary, and Deicide streamline and commercialize anything??? Those Florida bands blew everyone else around/before them away. Morbid Angel's "Altar Of Madness" set the standard and they followed that - that is their own sound. All five of the well knowns (CC, Death, Deicide, MA, Obituary) have what it is that sets them apart from the others. They each have their distinct qualites. I think that was the only death-metal scene that was worth a shit. I can count the rest of the world's great death-metal bands on my other hand - and still eat pizza.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

How did Cannibal Corpse, Obituary, and Deicide streamline and commercialize anything?

Listen, I love Deicide, but they formed in 1987. Death and Morbid Angel created the Florida sound, and were years ahead of them in every way. So were Possessed, Repulsion, Master, Sepultura, Slaughter, Necrovore, etc. What happened in the '90s is a different story.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 15 January 2004 19:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sepultura???!!!! I love Sepultura but they don't belong here just because Max Cavalera sounded sort of like a Floridian metal singer. They were, at best, one of the better Slayer rip-offs in the 80's. Arise and Chaos AD were there good records - most of us just made fun of pre-'Beneath' Sepultura.

As for Deicide, yes they were later than those other bands and they may have been influenced by those guys but they don't really sound like em and they were definitely better. The first two Death records were pretty Slayer-esque and then "Altars Of Madness" came along and from then on Florida sounded like Florida.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

I still don't see any streamlined or commercial music coming from any of those Florida bands though. They all sounded like "swamp metal". They were much heavier and nastier than any of the European bands of the time.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Thursday, 15 January 2004 21:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

Maybe so, but when Sepultura looked like this and released Bestial Devastation back in 1985, they played crude death metal and Max was already howling like the wolf:

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 15 January 2004 22:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

they look slightly nicer than sarcofago at the time.

(also, to add to the discussion, sarcofago and vulcano were all about "grrrgrrgrrr" and so on.)

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 16 January 2004 03:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

The European and South American bands at the time (Sodom, Destruction, Hellhammer, Bathory, Kat, Poison, Sarcofago, Vulcano, Holocausto, Pentagram) went for a much rawer, more chaotic, filthier sound, whereas the classic Florida DM bands all ended up in Morrisound with its trademark one-dimensional, assembly-line "brutal" production (the muffled, reverbed low-endy guitars, little bass guitar presence) - that's where the "streamlined/commercial" criticism came from. The Florida bands had much more of an own identity live. Also, the fairly simple and catchy chorus/verse structures and "groove" riffs of bands like Deicide/Obituary/CC gave Florida DM a bad name in the late 80s/early 90s underground - combined with the whole baseball caps/shorts/non-antichristian lyrics attitude in many American and European DM bands which was deemed "un-metal" - which led to the Black Metal revival of the early 90s; a whole different story altogether as Ian mentioned. Also consider: the full, open, crunchy Sunlight-sound of Entombed/Dismember/Unleashed which sounded like a breath of fresh air after years of muffled Morrisound albums.

"Bestial Devastation" is total Celtic Frost/Sodom worship, which is why it rules. And while it was a bit of a disappointment after BtR, "Arise" is definitely a solid album. "Chaos AD", on the other hand, was such a cynical cash-in on the Biohazard/Pantera moshcore trend that it is best forgotten.

― Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 16 January 2004 09:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

whereas the classic Florida DM bands all ended up in Morrisound with its trademark one-dimensional, assembly-line "brutal" production (the muffled, reverbed low-endy guitars, little bass guitar presence)

so you're saying i should send a cyborg back in time to kill scott burns and tom morris? done!

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Are we leaving out Japan...? did Gauze or Gizm ever register really low on the Cookie Monster level at points? (I doubt it, but I thought I'd include the possibility of Japan here, though granted both bands above mentioned aren't as much metal as hardcore, but the subject didn't require the bands to be "metal" per se)

(in which case, my clear winning answer would be... Cookie Monster and the Girls, from 1978 muthafuckaz... "C Is For Cookie")

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

My educated guess Extreme Noise Terror still stands though.

― donut bitch (donut), Friday, 16 January 2004 19:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

dunno...ENT released a split in 1986 (which i haven't heard, so i dunno if it has the rrrowg vocals), "scum" came out in '87? earliest ENT stuff i've heard was the peel session from 1987, which would definitely tie them with napalm death.

my favorite napalm death lately has been the "hatred surge" tape - i don't think anyone who plays on it was actually in the band by the second side of "scum" (mick harris is credited as being a member, but not playing on the tape). nice post-discharge yelling and gloom happening.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

Nah, ENT weren't any more rrowgish than Doom, Sacrilege UK, or demo-era Napalm Death at that point. Might as well credit Crab Society North's overmodulated '85 demo, or accept that between Japan, England, Brazil, Florida, and Canada there were too many contenders to call a winner.

But who else belongs in this succession: Popeye -> Quorthon/Bathory -> Mille/Kreator -> Abbath/Immortal?

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 17 January 2004 09:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

-> Darken/Graveland?

― Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 17 January 2004 13:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

Entombed were great. At least Clandestine and Left Hand Path were. I can see why a lot of folks don't like the Florida/Morrisound/ScottBurns sound. Especially in the early 90's. Obituary's charm to me was that whole muffled but sick huge sound. But really Death - "Symbolic" always sounded really bright to me where "Human" sounded pretty bad. I think they started to get their sounds figured out around the time of stuff like Symbolic and Once Upon The Cross. Those albums don't really sound all muffled like the earlier ones.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Saturday, 17 January 2004 17:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

Shagrath from Dimmu Borgir sounds exactly like Popeye on "Architecture Of A Genocidal Nature," from Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia.

Question: Essential Grind On CD...what do I need?

I'm going record shopping on Sunday to pick up Scum and From Enslavement To Obliteration and Brutal Truth's Extreme Conditions Demand Extreme Responses, and would like to know what other titles I should pick up. I really never spent much time investigating grindcore other than those two, Discordance Axis (who I fucking worship, of course) and Circle Of Dead Children. So gimme a list. Thanks in advance.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 17 January 2004 19:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

well, there's a fear of god cd out with the "pneumatic slaughter" EP on it. supposedly there's also going to be a complete discography cd (on ipecac, so i was told), which i hope will include "world under my fingernail." if that isn't essential grind, nothing is.

(i still like the first assuck EP and live tape.)

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 17 January 2004 20:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

ME LOST ME COOKIE AT THE DISCO!

― sucka (sucka), Saturday, 17 January 2004 22:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

I thought this was a great thread and was reminded of it when I wrote an essay about cookie monster vocals last week. So I just dug it up. By the way, I wholeheartedly agree that the seeds definitely began in Europe in the early '80s with bands like Venom, but were entirely popularized by the Florida gang. Anyway, it's not so much "when" as "why" cookie monster vocals exist in the essay. If anyone's interested, here:
http://michaeldeeds.com/cgi-bin/getPage?features/cookiemonstervocals.html

― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Saturday, 17 April 2004 00:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

Way off the money at this point, but Lennon actually growls "Cookie!" on "Hold On."

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 17 April 2004 07:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

Siege (from Boston) had an early cookie-monster vocal style. Their stuff is great from the mid-'80s is great.

― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

Repulsion is in there somewhere, too.

― Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Saturday, 17 April 2004 15:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yes, I have to agree. I was listening to Mortician's cover of Piece by Piece and they sound like bass amp feedback.

― Cacaman Flores, Saturday, 17 April 2004 18:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Siege and Repulsion, yea.

I was thinking of this thread recently, too, after receiving a whopping box of 300+ mid-80s metal demos from my old spiritual leaders at SUCK CITY magazine. God this is great, the hidden and unsigned glories of Gow, Avalanche Danger, Poison (the US band this time), Incubus, At War, Casbah, Hell's, Sacrilege BC, Medieval, Necrophagia, Kil d'Kor, Flotsam & Jetsam, Heathen, Incinerator, Hellhound, Carnivore, Deathwish, Holy Terror, Ice Age, Atomic Opera, ad nauseum.

Immersed in the era, I stand by my earlier John Kerry-esque nuanced proclamation; that the so-called Cookie Monster style was not invented, but it evolved iota by iota over the course of a million tape trades. I'd say Lemmy was the start, Napalm Death Scum was the end point, and Mortician is the point of no return.

Incubus is incredible, by the way. Two members of early Morbid Angel, present on the fabled MA "Thy Kingdom Come" demo. The band has that churning, psychotic diseased sound necessary in truly inspired death metal. This isn't the Louisana band or the nu metal group, by the way. Plus nuff respect due a singer with the stage name / real name "Sterling von Scarborough".

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 17 April 2004 19:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

See, now here is where I think that you have the time to go through all these and assemble an mp3 CDR box set of goods for sharing or trading of the cream of the crop with folks who will happily make arrangements with you, that that would be peachy keen. Er, if you please and if you have the time.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 April 2004 19:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think I do, but I'm always running a few projects behind. Ripping and sharing some of these demos is definitely something I'd like to accomplish this summer. The world needs more Blacktask and Nihilist fans, fer shure. Plus...Avalanche Danger! Amazingly strange.

This week I finally scanned and compiled a PDF of the new 21st chapter from the Sound of the Beast paperback, for those of you blessed with the hardcover (or who haven't gotten around to decorating your home with this lovely book).

And a reader was inspired to write a small application that randomly generates death metal lyrics from verses in Sound of the Beast and Dante's Inferno. An excellent diversion, if he could only make it web-friendly.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 17 April 2004 19:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

But that's brilliant! The next step, the board game.

Anyway, once you find the time to do so, I have faith that our own John D., for one, would adore you for such a project as well. Siegbran doubtless too. There will be glory.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 April 2004 20:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

If you make that CD-R, I need a copy for sure.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 17 April 2004 20:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

OK, duly noted all around. Here's a good faith first taste:

Voor - "Evil Metal" (from Evil Metal 1984 demo)

Raw proto-Cookies from Venom-inspired French Canadians.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 17 April 2004 20:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

haha, voor! good times.

i got my demo collection out of storage a while back - originally with the intent of scanning the worst examples of 80s thrash/death metal demo art and making a gallery... some just excruciatingly terrible/great pictures of long haired guys with axes standing at the gates of cemetaries. i think that's what they all are, actually.

(ian, by nihilist - you mean the american one? or entombed?)

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 17 April 2004 22:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

el sabor de gene, I kiss you!

― Lil' Fancy Kpants (The K is Silent) (ex machina), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

Nightmares, I bring you nightmares!

esg -- yes, nihilist us.

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 17 April 2004 23:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Great article Mr Deeds.

It's frustrating for me because I really like what the guitarists and drummers are doing these days in HM - it's really creative and weird. Then cookie monster comes in and, well, it's ok for a while, but there's not a lot of range in the approach.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 18 April 2004 01:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Here's a shot of Immortal (without their homemade weapons) to keep you warm at night:

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 18 April 2004 01:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

are thos dudes restlers

― animal, Sunday, 18 April 2004 02:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Thanks, mole.
That photo is priceless. My gaaaaawwwd.
I just got asked to review the new Slipknot album. I'd better put my growl grudge away for that, I suppose. Sigh.

― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Thursday, 29 April 2004 21:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

I hate Mortician and I'm pretty sure their vocals are heavily processed and/or pitch shifted.

― uh, Thursday, 29 April 2004 21:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

oh there was that rap song by Agallah called "crookie monster"

― phil-two (phil-two), Thursday, 29 April 2004 21:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

I hate Mortician and I'm pretty sure their vocals are heavily processed and/or pitch shifted.

Ta-daaaa...they aren't!

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 30 April 2004 06:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

http://www.wearemongoloid.com/cookie/

― alan banana (alan_banana), Sunday, 13 June 2004 16:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

If moon was cookie, me think me would be
Happiest monster you ever see
Me put on a spacesuit, then up through the night
Me ride in a rocket to go take a bite

Me take bite from here, me take bite from there
And pretty soon, me bite everywhere!
Me eat with both hands, no need fork or spoon,
Me chew it all up, until there no moon!

If moon was cookie it wouldn't be fine
Because if me ate it, then it wouldnt shine
Me come to the window and look up at night,
But no little moonbeams would give me their light
So me not like to say it, but it clear to me
It lucky that moon is not a cookie!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 13 June 2004 16:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

i finally dug up a crate of demos. this is my favorite cover (both for the blatant voivod logo ripoff and the teenage spaceman art):

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 16 July 2004 15:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

gaa, what's with the images not showing up?

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v252/rankingmonkey/ilx/VOMIT_ilx.jpg

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 16 July 2004 15:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

There's that one This Heat song on Deceit that has Cookie Monster vocals. Can't think of the name of it at the moment...

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Saturday, 17 July 2004 02:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

makeshift swaihili!

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 17 July 2004 04:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 26 August 2004 12:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

yay!

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 26 August 2004 12:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Seems like I first remember hearing the venom record 'welcome to hell" sometime around 1983.

And then the two Death records "scream bloody gore" and "Leprosy" some time around 1986-87. those are my first recollections of cookiespeak.

― slick dickens (slickdickens), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 02:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

6 years pass...

This is a cool and informative thread well worth your time... I revive to ask a related question, which has been on my mind lately: who were the bands that first started to use this general style of vocals (either DM Cookie or BM Gollum) in the context of lighter, more melodic, less aggressive/brutal/pummeling music? I'm just really starting to explore, but I'm finding it really, really difficult to get into bands that do this, especially when they alternate between clean, actual-notes singing and the monster voice. It's hard for me not to feel like the brutality/intensity of the vocals is really unearned, or tacked-on feeling. The vocals just come across so jarringly theatrical to me when the music doesn't match their aggression. Was it Ulver who started it? Maybe I just don't like "melodic" DM or BM? That would sadden me, because a lot of people whose tastes I respect seem to dig it, and I want to hear what they hear.

(This was prompted by having just picked up a used copy of Vertebrae by Enslaved (2003). I immediately liked the music a lot: thick, grandiose, immersive, verging on Pink Floyd (in a good way) at times, and like Ride or Slowdive at others. The clean singing was fine, if a little over-solemn. But the monster vocals really just kinda spoiled it for me.)

― Clarke B., Tuesday, 9 October 2012 20:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

Why on earth is "Boris the Spider" not mentioned on this page?

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 22:52 (8 months ago) Permalink

it has to be celtic frost, bathory or something like that but I didn't went that far so I'm not sure. hope these suggestions for melodic stuff aren't too obvious.

early paradise lost (1991) maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Km4sSsCH4c

the first katatonia album (1993) is incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umbko1vFy6Y

mikael akerfeldt from opeth excels with the vocal thing (check the transitions), from orchid (1995)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=942P4XdNXW4

simen hestnaes as well, here with borknagar (2000)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix9BdChthGE

― lil touch of ecology and catastrophe to unite the social classes (wolves lacan), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 00:00 (8 months ago) Permalink

uh mistakes, youtube links not working, fuck.

― lil touch of ecology and catastrophe to unite the social classes (wolves lacan), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 00:06 (8 months ago) Permalink

Thanks wolves, I'm still sort of a noob so those aren't at all obvious. I have The Olden Domain by Borknagar which I do like, but it does walk that line. I'll track down the tracks...

― Clarke B., Wednesday, 10 October 2012 01:00 (8 months ago) Permalink

Then there's all the orchestral stuff that doesnt even have guitars but still utilizes extreme (BM) vocals: Summoning, Elend, Angizia, Profanum.

― Siegbran, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 07:15 (8 months ago) Permalink

Why on earth is "Boris the Spider" not mentioned on this page?

Ha! I just came on here to say that, beaten to the punch!

― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 07:37 (8 months ago) Permalink

oh elend, what a scary band.. but really, I should have only said: paradise lost, gothic.

no typos, no bad youtube links = no embarrassment.

I have been trying to think of other bands but it's all 1991 at the earliest for me (also septic flesh, tiamat, monumentum). this is a very interesting question, I will check some old metal maniacs when I get home today to see if I can find something else.

― wolves lacan, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 18:10 (8 months ago) Permalink

Gothic is still pretty heavy/extreme, or at least not less than say the Cathedral demo/debut. Monumentum was straight-up Celtic Frost worship, I guess it all goes back to Tom G Warrior then?

― Siegbran, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 18:31 (8 months ago) Permalink

Tom Waits.

― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 19:36 (8 months ago) Permalink

yes! I found a review of the celtic frost reissues. into the pandemonium (1987) seems to be the answer here:

http://imgur.com/a/stdHc

a cool interview with bathory from 1996. blood, fire, death (1988) started the melodic black metal thing.

http://imgur.com/a/AAfyQ

― wolves lacan, Thursday, 11 October 2012 02:01 (8 months ago) Permalink

True answer:

― Mark G, Thursday, 11 October 2012 14:06 (8 months ago) Permalink

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