― Dr. C, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destroy: Republic. (Yuck...)
― JM, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destroy -- any and all Revenge discs you find.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!
― Tom, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Search -- Technique, seeing as every song is great Destroy -- (the best of) New Order: chronological sequencing produces miserable conclusion, except for "Blue Monday" inexplicably made penultimate, and what's with all the dumb remixes??
― Ian White, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destroy: the album version of "Subculture", which is far and away the worst thing they've ever recorded. Honorable mention to "Pineapple Face" by Revenge for being incomprehensible.
― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 6 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
When it comes to destroy, it has to be said that "World in Motion" is the worst song recorded by anyone.
EVER.
It almost makes latter day Bryan Adams look cool. The utterly craptastic lyric "Arivaderci it's one on one" alone would qualify it for the honor.
― Nicole, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destroy: Yeah some of those songs on Republic were really cringeworthy, though I think all the other singles are relatively okay.
― Tim, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Dr. C, Wednesday, 7 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destroy:most of the remixes of their songs as they are just poor. Special mention goes to the wonderfully useless Arman van Heldan (?) mix of bizarre love triangle.
― Nick Greenfield, Thursday, 8 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
"World In Motion" may be a largely useless song, but at least it's sung in tune. I have no idea how much Bernard had been drinking before he recorded the vocals for "Subculture", but let's hope he never ever drinks that much again.
I'm sitting here gritting my teeth just thinking about it...
― Dan Perry, Friday, 9 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destroy: 'Blue Monday', horrifically dull and inexplicable showered with praise.
― Ally C, Friday, 9 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destroy: NEW ORDER
― Punkcow, Sunday, 11 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
But many more could be named, especially in the first category.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 20 February 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
destroy: blue monday
― youn noh, Saturday, 3 March 2001 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― milton howe, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― youn, Monday, 14 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Dave M., Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Brotherhood side one
Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)
Temptation (the original 12" is much better than the version on Substance)
Sister Ray (live in Rio, from 'Like A Girl I Want You to Keep Coming' one of John Giorno's crappy beatnik compilations)
Destroy:
Republic
the shit cd quality of Brotherhood, Low-Life and Technique
― Scott, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― gareth, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destroy: (the best of) New Order [English version]
― ALly, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Nick, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
BUT I sort of half-dislike it too, because all the people I know who think "Age of Consent" is their best song are people who despise all of the dancier stuff.
― Ian, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Discuss.
It's probably because Joy Division is such good summertime music.
* Destroy: "State of the Nation" in any and all its mutations/versions... it's so tacky/sucky
* Search "Don't do it" and "Bleachboy"
― Ci Celikyay, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
* Ssearch "Rest of NewOrder" * Destroy "Best of NewOrder"
I am so sure that there are people who will say "That dude Ci got it all wrong!"
By the way people... English is my third language... how do you Anglonauts say it anyways? Is it "Search and Destroy" or "Seek and Destroy." I opt or the "Seek and Destroy."
Cheers
Ci
Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"
Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."
― sundar subramanian, Monday, 24 December 2001 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Paul, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.
― gygax!, Friday, 27 September 2002 02:05 (10 years ago) Permalink
... at least that's what I think it's called...
― jon (jon), Friday, 27 September 2002 06:42 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 27 September 2002 06:50 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 27 September 2002 07:44 (10 years ago) Permalink
knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.
Thank you.
― jon (jon), Friday, 27 September 2002 08:00 (10 years ago) Permalink
― youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 09:14 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 September 2002 11:23 (10 years ago) Permalink
― youn, Friday, 27 September 2002 15:24 (10 years ago) Permalink
― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 September 2002 06:10 (10 years ago) Permalink
Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 29 September 2002 08:28 (10 years ago) Permalink
Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 29 September 2002 11:22 (10 years ago) Permalink
http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp
― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:28 (10 years ago) Permalink
― Gatinha (rwillmsen), Saturday, 29 March 2003 00:30 (10 years ago) Permalink
i dunno, but I can get the file(s) to you..
― Mark G, Monday, 28 January 2013 16:13 (4 months ago) Permalink
ah okay cool - my ilxmail works. ty!
― 乒乓, Monday, 28 January 2013 16:13 (4 months ago) Permalink
chk
― Mark G, Monday, 28 January 2013 16:19 (4 months ago) Permalink
oh, and I like the new album, btw..
― Mark G, Monday, 28 January 2013 20:59 (4 months ago) Permalink
seeing peter hook in conversation this week in SF, I think. not really looking forward to it.
― akm, Monday, 28 January 2013 21:52 (4 months ago) Permalink
also, fwiw, new order live without him were excellent. I'd be happy with them not doing any new songs though and pulling a pixies for a while, just touring old stuff. yeah it's not very forward thinking, yeah it's a nostalgia geezer act, but they were really good
They were alright, yeah.
PHook in conv should be OK too.
― Mark G, Monday, 28 January 2013 21:56 (4 months ago) Permalink
In this case it really is the principle of the matter, like a Black Sabbath reunion without Bill Ward. I'd like to think of my favorite bands as more than just opportunistic business ventures, even if I know better.
Still curious why Gillian vanished for so long, starting with the tour behind the group's last "Get Ready"-era reunion, and then returned right after Hook departed. I know there was the matter of her kids, supposedly, but the coincidence remains jarring. Could easily imagine her telling Stephen that there's no way she'd ever share a stage with the guy again.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 January 2013 21:59 (4 months ago) Permalink
xpost Hook is in full tell-all/burn bridges mode, so you never know what you may get.
Gilbert's reticence adds to her power. She might loathe Hooky, she might not give a damn about anyone who isn't her husband. She might play many of the lead guitar parts, she might let Bernard tell her what to do. Her aloofness is her strength. New Order might be the only band whose girl member didn't taint the chemistry enough for members to bitch to the NME about the drummer's girlfriend.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 January 2013 22:03 (4 months ago) Permalink
Well, they're also one of the few bands short of the VU where we really don't know who did what on a song by song basis.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 January 2013 22:04 (4 months ago) Permalink
I know there was the matter of her kids, supposedly,
quality truthing here, Gillian lied about her daughter's neurological condition, burn the witch no matter how shoulder-chipped or whitewashing Hooky is, he's sure to be an entertaining speaker (and has demonstrated over and over again that he knows and regrets how he comes across, but can't help himself - he does HAVE perspective on his spleneticism tho)
― ( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Monday, 28 January 2013 23:28 (4 months ago) Permalink
I met them at a J&MC gig back in the day, Hooky, Gillian and Stephen. So, they socialised together, so hey..
― Mark G, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:56 (4 months ago) Permalink
The new Asphodells (Andrew Weatherall, Timothy Fairplay) album has a song that sounds like it could have been recorded by New Order between Power, Corruption and Lies and Low-Life complete with a bassline Hooky would love to take credit for and a great melodica line. Check out The Quiet Dignity (Of Unwitnessed Lives).
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 01:05 (4 months ago) Permalink
xposting I swear to God, I'd never seen any specifics about her kids! It was always super vague. Does anyone know what her child has?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 03:24 (4 months ago) Permalink
Ah! Once I put in "neurological condition," searches bore fruit:
We have two daughters Tilly (11) and Grace (7). Gillian took an extended leave of absence from the band in 2001 when at 18 months Grace was diagnosed with Transverse Myelitis - something I’d never even heard of before. Its effects are something like a spinal injury and it left Grace paralysed from the waist down. She has, thankfully, largely recovered from that, but still continues to need care and treatment.
Good to know it's under control. I bet she still thinks Hook is a dick, though.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 03:26 (4 months ago) Permalink
How would Grace have met him though?
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 03:28 (4 months ago) Permalink
Lots of good potential follow-up LOLs, but enlisting a paraplegic child for the sake of a punchline is beneath even me.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 03:30 (4 months ago) Permalink
forget it, Josh. It's ILM.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 03:33 (4 months ago) Permalink
I saw PHook and the Light doing Movement and PC & L a couple of weeks ago at Koko in Lon don. It was... interesting. Hooky was doing all the singing, which was okay for Movement's gothy deep voice stuff, but by the time they got to PC & L his voice was really flagging and he couldn't hit the high notes. His backing band were tight, though, and he can obviously still play himself. I got to meet him very briefly after the show!
― Neil S, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:13 (4 months ago) Permalink
I got to hear a recording of the Manchester gig and I thought that the band sounded pretty great, Hooky's voice however kinda spoilt the obvious care and attention applied to recreating those songs.
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:19 (4 months ago) Permalink
yeah it was good to great to begin with, his band were very proficient and they had obviously made an effort, he just didn't seem to me able to sing for a whole 2hr show.
― Neil S, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:21 (4 months ago) Permalink
It reminded me of listening to early NO boots and wincing at Dreams Never End, Hooky bellowing YOUR SOOOOOOOOOOOUL
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:22 (4 months ago) Permalink
Hook's kid plays bass, right?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:16 (4 months ago) Permalink
Yes, Jack plays bass.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:29 (4 months ago) Permalink
hah didn't realise that! Two bass players, like um Girls v Boys and Ned's Atomic Dustbin...
― Neil S, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:33 (4 months ago) Permalink
No, Peter plays guitar.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:35 (4 months ago) Permalink
Hooky was doing all the singing, which was okay for Movement's gothy deep voice stuff, but by the time they got to PC & L his voice was really flagging and he couldn't hit the high notes.
in fairness, neither can Bernard
― Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:37 (4 months ago) Permalink
xp oh dear. I really was at that gig, could have sworn Peter really was playing a bass some of the time...
― Neil S, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:45 (4 months ago) Permalink
Hooky played guitar on the second Revenge EP.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 15:46 (4 months ago) Permalink
I think that Manchester gig I heard was 2 hours plus, last time I saw NO was '89 they probably played for just over an hour, did they ever start doing a set longer than 70 mins?
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 16:08 (4 months ago) Permalink
Yes.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 16:21 (4 months ago) Permalink
Hook plays some bass when he isn't waving his arm about.
― Kent Burt, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 00:19 (4 months ago) Permalink
He might play a 6-string bass sometimes, but in the clips I've seen it's been bass and not guitar.
(He played guitar on "Sound of Music" and "Confusion" with New Order, though. Maybe more.)
― Kent Burt, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 00:23 (4 months ago) Permalink
I know Barney has played some bass, too. Hook does often gravitate to 6-string bass, though. "Blue Monday" is six-string, I believe.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:10 (4 months ago) Permalink
Comprehensive interview with Stephen Hague on the recording of "True Faith" and "1963."
It was amazing," says Hague. "Gillian didn't run ideas by me as we went along. There just came a time when I said 'Tomorrow let's work on your keyboard parts,' and she said 'OK, great.' The next day, when it was finally her turn, she had all these fully formed ideas for both tracks. We just got sounds and she recorded them, all hand-played. It was so painless. Although she seemed to be quietly distracted in the back of the room each day, she had completely plotted out her parts for the songs. She's a real joy to work with.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar05/articles/classictracks.htm
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 February 2013 14:23 (4 months ago) Permalink
Thanks for reminding me of that. That's one of the few in-detail behind the scenes accounts of New Order in the studio out there.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 2 February 2013 14:32 (4 months ago) Permalink
Woke up from dreaming this morning and the name "Power, Corruption and Pies" the first thought.
If life were actually a Hollywood movie I'd be looking into securing rental space for my new pie place by now but in reality I'm not a pie person.
― Cunga, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 17:35 (2 months ago) Permalink
From a recent Hook interview:
Joy Division writing credits were all shared equally on every track weren’t they?
Yeah, it was absolutely correct to do it that way. When we got to New Order it changed and even though Gillian [Gilbert] got a writing credit, I think it it’s fair to say that Bernard did 95 per cent of the keyboards, and I’ve seen him say that in interviews as well. She used to play what Bernard had written but we gave her a writing credit.
http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2012/12/peter-hook-bernard-and-i-could-reconcile-end-pair-duelling-pistols
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2013 12:07 (4 days ago) Permalink
re: gillian's contributions, sound on sound article about recording of true faith/1963 immediately contradicts this, does he have a clue or is this just his bitter opinion again
― terbil truths (electricsound), Saturday, 15 June 2013 12:49 (4 days ago) Permalink
also fuck this fuckwit
He'd probably respond, "There's the other five percent."
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2013 12:51 (4 days ago) Permalink
ha
― terbil truths (electricsound), Saturday, 15 June 2013 12:52 (4 days ago) Permalink
So I heard this track in OPN's Fact mix, and thought it was interpolating "Subculture," but it turns out it predates "Subculture" by two years:
― muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Monday, 17 June 2013 04:58 (2 days ago) Permalink
Nice catch. Don't know that one, though the remix of "Collision" was on the I-Robots compilation that came out during the height of italo revival.
― dan selzer, Monday, 17 June 2013 05:04 (2 days ago) Permalink
!
― terbil truths (electricsound), Monday, 17 June 2013 05:04 (2 days ago) Permalink
Last night I saw the "Temptation of Victoria" film/vid for the first time thanks to the "Vintage" tv channel, think I might have voted it in the recent ballot, it's excellent
― Mark G, Monday, 17 June 2013 06:34 (2 days ago) Permalink
did anyone care at all about Lost Sirens? Listened once
― akm, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 04:30 (Yesterday) Permalink
Haha yeah me too even though I love Waiting for the Sirens Call. Not sure whether the songs are just weaker or whether I've moved on musically
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 07:16 (Yesterday) Permalink
I thought it was alright, but the fire is definitely out, really.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 08:17 (Yesterday) Permalink