― Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 04:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Gentry Boeckel, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 04:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 04:48 (twenty years ago) link
― keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 04:48 (twenty years ago) link
Is this record a sincere love letter or some kind of ironic statement? I assess my home state with open eyes, but don't really feel up to listening to a record that slags on Michigan. Any album that begins with a song about Flint must have its merits.
― dj666 (damion666), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 16:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 16:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 16:31 (twenty years ago) link
For what it's worth, devoting an entire concept album to one's home state (whether it's Michigan or Idaho) seems pretty intriguing. Beats droning on about some deaf, dumb and blind kid playing pinball.
― dj666 (damion666), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 16:36 (twenty years ago) link
― scott m (mcd), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link
MICHIGAN is the inaugural entry of THE 50 STATES, a cumulative recording project by Sufjan Stevens unparalleled in its panoramic enterprise: a record for each state! You think he's kidding, don't you?
― scott m (mcd), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 17:50 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link
― keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 17:57 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Sylvester, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Sylvester, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link
― scott m (mcd), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, agreed. I really hope he doesn't do anymore.
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link
Again, I like all those song titles - well, except for the dumb "Say Yes" one, at lesat. But can you outline what some of the references in the songs are? The songs, when I heard them (inasmuch as I could listen to them) seemed entirely vague and generic; they could have been about ANYWHERE. But again, maybe I missed something.
― chuck, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link
"Once a great places. Now a prison.All I can say. All I can do.People Mover: Bad decision.From suburban. Now a prison."
There's also a "We Didn't Start The Fire" style call out of Detroit-related people and places.
"Sleeping Bear, Sault Saint Maire":
Oh Sturgeon Bay!Covered Completely in sandAnd covered in sun."
"Holland":
"Sleeping on Lake MichiganFactories and marching bandsLose our clothes in summer timeLose ourselves to lose our mindsIn the summer heat I might"
etc...
Not that his lyrics necessarily present particularly insightful ideas about the state. But there are specific references.
― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link
* fwiw, it's a reference to a 1980s Mich. (board of tourism?) slogan/campaign.
― scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 19:09 (twenty years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link
― David Allen, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 21:36 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 21:42 (twenty years ago) link
Well, there you have it.... Is there anything about Father Coughlin? That'd be a pretty good twee subject, what with the depression-era anti-semitism and all.
Probably the wrong thread, but there was some indie song I heard like 4 or 5 years ago with the opening line, "I headed south from Detroit / away from the cold and from you." I wish I could figure out what that was... I always thought that was one of the best Michigan-specific lyrics I'd heard.
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 22:47 (twenty years ago) link
(That "streets of South Detroit" line in Journey's "Don't Stop Believin'", however, never made ANY sense.)
― chuck, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 23:11 (twenty years ago) link
The other half realizes that many of you didn't have the experience of being entirely disarmed by this guy -- expectation of charm completely undercuts its possibility, and I kind of wish we hadn't reviewed it now. ILM fave Matt LeMay and I went to see some show at the North Six over the summer, and as an opener Sufjan and about ten chicks/dudes got up on stage wearing boy scout outfits. In truth I thought it was a local troop of older, perhaps autistic or otherwise severely retarded scouts who needed a little more time to get through the program, and this belief was helped by the fact that the trumpet player had a comical overbite.
It had gimmick written all over it, and we were all set to leave for another Stoli (the official drink of PFM) when both of us were just totally floored by the unusual degree of sincerity these scouts had managed on stage. I instantly thought Langley Schools but better and less creepy, and I was glued, anxiously awaiting some inevitable Downs' boffo.
It never happened of course, and on closer look the trumpet player didn't have an overbite so much as he was really bad at shaving. I hate to make Sufjans out to be a case of "If you set your sights low enough, you'll never be disappointed", but I'll be honest and say that was the case for me.
The album is kinda long and what Mitchum would say is "samey", but I don't remember being that disarmed by such a simple, familiar sound, and I'm sorry that a lot of you haven't been able to have that same experience.
For the record, I'd give _Michigan_ 4.5 Arrows of Light out of 5.
― Nick Sylvester, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link
Considering that my first job in newspapers was with the Spinal Column (albeit, delivering it) and a good majority of my friends went to West Bloomfield High, and I'm now aiming to move on to music criticism in bigger magazines, I'm realizing that I'm almost you.
― David Allen, Thursday, 25 December 2003 01:11 (twenty years ago) link
When you've looked outside your bedroom window in the dead of winter and silently cursed the fact that you're eons removed from the beating pulse of the outside world that you're both pining for and afraid of, then the stark sweetness of the Michigan record deeply resonate. And since you don't have to be in the 313 (or 231, for that matter) to have those conflicts, I'm quite curious to see what state pops up next.
BTW, "L.A." stands for "Lansing Area" for the uninitiated.
― Erick H (Erick H), Thursday, 25 December 2003 05:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Erick H (Erick H), Thursday, 25 December 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link
Spatz bread rules.
― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:17 (twenty years ago) link
― disco curioso (disco stu), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link
i delivered the detroit news back when they had an afternoon edition and always felt bad for free press kids who had to deliver their papers before school.
― keith m (keithmcl), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link
― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link
And isn't this kinda like Jim O'Rourke, anyway?
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link
I'm glad SOMEBODY felt bad for us! Me and my brothers had three subdivisions of West Bloomfield south of Orchard Lake between us, and we used to have get up at 4:30 am, which can REALLY suck during a snowstorm! (Good training for the Army, though, I guess...)
― chuck, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:42 (twenty years ago) link
Also, if it's worth anything, I did finally go to the U.P. and Sleeping Bear Dunes and Petoskey and both Sault Sainte Maries for the first time two summers ago. They were nice. Sort of.
― chuck, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link
Not in the sense of having an agenda or a message, but I was impressed that he dealt with these topics at all (the first song is about Flint, and nicely covers the same ground as Roger & Me without Michael Moore's mugging). In another version of my blurb I namechecked John Dos Passos' U.S.A. Trilogy, which is a far greater work but had some of the same themes of describing ordinary lives and mimicking the pace of industry or lack thereof to tell a deeply American story.
Mostly I'm impressed that Sufjan would make a - let's not say political, but cultural - statement at a time when so many musicians (outside maybe rap?) seem oblivious to the nation around them, a few immediate post-9/11 shockwaves aside. In fact, it's a bummer the music wasn't more ... I dunno ... original or varied or whatever, to keep up with the lyrics.
― Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:53 (twenty years ago) link
Thanks for saving me some time, chuck.
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 19:53 (twenty years ago) link
Did anybody hear about the trouble with the new Michigan Commemorative Quarter? Apparently they had to recall a bunch of them because the tape kept unwrapping the cluster holding one nickel and two dimes.
― christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 20:09 (twenty years ago) link
This might actually be ok if it was the original 13 states, though.(Or the 13 that start with the letter "A," assuming that's how many start with the letter "A," or whatever.)
― chuck, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 20:37 (twenty years ago) link
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link
Well, having lived most of my life in Michigan "below the tree line" from Benton Harbor to Ann Arbor to Detroit, I'm not willing to accept the contention that I lack "Michigan" credibility. Detroit may not be the sum total that "Michigan" represents, but it's a pretty damn big part of it.
― webcrack (music=crack), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Erick H (Erick H), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link
― webcrack (music=crack), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Erick H (Erick H), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 23:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Amos, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 08:09 (twenty years ago) link
― AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 11:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Nick Sylvester, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago) link
― AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link
― kephm, Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Thursday, 8 April 2004 02:50 (twenty years ago) link
― egon krenz (slaytrack), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link
/asshole music snob
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Thursday, 8 April 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago) link
Still love this album. What the hell's he up to these days? His states project seems to have stagnated.
― sam500, Saturday, 1 May 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I will still rep for this album even though I don't think anything else he's done quite measures up
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Saturday, 18 October 2014 03:37 (nine years ago) link
ok I can't really say that since there's a bunch of shit he did I haven't even bothered to listen to, got real tired of him years ago, but I'm revisiting Michigan and still like it
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Saturday, 18 October 2014 03:38 (nine years ago) link
all good naysayers is such a great song, flint too, vito's ordination song...i prefer illinois, and both records are bloated (like the song titles), but yeah it's great, and i wonder where he's been the last four years..
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 18 October 2014 04:53 (nine years ago) link
apparently he put out a single this year called "A Little Lost" so that seems to answer your question
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Saturday, 18 October 2014 04:56 (nine years ago) link
it is an arthur russell cover
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Saturday, 18 October 2014 04:58 (nine years ago) link
oh and I guess it's actually on a comp about to come out: red hot + arthur russell
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Saturday, 18 October 2014 04:59 (nine years ago) link
I should revisit this one over the winter (but not before)I wonder if there's as much vibraphone as I remember
― Vomits of a Missionary (bernard snowy), Saturday, 18 October 2014 16:00 (nine years ago) link