What does "cod reggae" have to do with fish, anyway?

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I never even heard the phrase until this year, but I get the idea it's been around in England for a long time. Does it just mean white guys trying ineptly to do reggae, or what? Where does it come from? And what do "cods" have to do with it??

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 21:53 (11 years ago) Permalink

It's like codpiece. Cod=fake. No idea about the genealogy tho.

bugged out, Monday, 8 December 2003 21:55 (11 years ago) Permalink

i am proud to have at least partially inspired this thread.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:56 (11 years ago) Permalink

i have no idea where it came from either, but it's certainly one of those things that pop out in my writing that show me up for what a huge anglophile i was in another life.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

Do any cod reggae people actually WEAR codpieces?? Animal from Anti Nowhere League had a magnificent one, but they never even did a ska song, I don't think. Neither did W.A.S.P., as near as I can recall.

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

And wait, what's "fake" about a codpiece? What's the real equivalent -- a fig leaf???

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:03 (11 years ago) Permalink

Good point.

Anyway, Webster's defines it as a hoax or sham, and credits it to "British slang." I would imagine the genealogy goes back centuries.

bugged out, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:08 (11 years ago) Permalink

Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

or

gaz (gaz), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

I asked this question (sort of) on ILX once and I think N. came up with a really good response. I can't recall what the thread was, though. Maybe one of those "Sister N. Explains It All" threads.

Anyway, I was just thinking how much I love cod reggae--"Redondo Beach", "Mother and Child Reunion", "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me". Those are three of my favorite songs. We should do a POO cod reggae thread.

Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:50 (11 years ago) Permalink

I was thinking of starting a thread on cod-tribalism. Maybe we should start a catch-all POO/POX "cod" thread.

bad jode (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:52 (11 years ago) Permalink

both!

gaz (gaz), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:58 (11 years ago) Permalink

jbr i just started one

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

POX: "cod [blank]"

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm afraid I can't remember my devastating explanation and 'cod' is rather hard to search for on ILX.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:08 (11 years ago) Permalink

OK, so I found it, but I fear it's not terribly illuminating.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:17 (11 years ago) Permalink

was cod ever used as a substitute for more expensive fish?

gaz (gaz), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

I guess I hadn't really asked the same question after all, N. Still, I knew I could count on you to find the thread!

Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary, cod, meaning hoax or parody, was first recorded in the 19th century and is of unknown origin.

codpiece, bagged appendage to front of men's breeches, comes from the Middle English (1150-1500) cod, meaning scrotum.

chris j (chris j), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

Bob Marlin & The Whalers to thread

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

So perhaps "cod" was just a polite Victorian way of saying something was complete bollocks?

chris j (chris j), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:50 (11 years ago) Permalink

Scrotum Reggae was a competing term for a while but cod won.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:50 (11 years ago) Permalink

Is (I Don't Want to) Go To Chelsea by Elvis C cod-reggae? I love that one

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 00:03 (11 years ago) Permalink

was cod ever used as a substitute for more expensive fish?

I recall an NME review which described something as "haddock-reggae". I like that.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 11:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

What does "cod reggae" have to do with fish, anyway?
Erm, presumably they call it "cod", because it's got no SOLE!!!! (Doh!!!!!!!!)

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 17:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

You're floundering there, Old Fart.

nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 21:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

The end of Faith No More's "Epic" was cod-prog and it had a fish flopping around in the video.

Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 21:30 (11 years ago) Permalink

you got a haddock? i got a haddock! i take asprin, what about you?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 04:09 (11 years ago) Permalink

i've always kind of though it because cod is a particularly white, european fish. but that might be nonsense

adam b (adam b), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 04:30 (11 years ago) Permalink

You're floundering there, Old Fart.
Yes, you could say it was a bit of a red herring...

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 09:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

scenes from the dawn of punk

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 10:56 (11 years ago) Permalink

in spain, thrashy eurodance is called 'bacalao', spanish for cod.

Jay Kid (Jay K), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 11:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

6 years pass...

brews before HOOS (s1ocki), Monday, 1 February 2010 20:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

Shame this blog never took off.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Old Fart!!!

utopian dipshit (buzza), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 02:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

i saw that youtube as i scrolled down and got excited and then realized i posted it.

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 14 March 2012 04:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

Ummm... So I happened to catch (insanely popular but never-before-mentioned-on-ILM whiteboy London reggae band) the Skints at a local festival on Saturday, and I'm slightly ashamed to say they were a lot of fun. And that's it.

I ain't got no bites / Bad itches is the only thing that I like (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 13:23 (2 months ago) Permalink

What was the story recently about somebody noting that codpieces were way too small in some production. Was it after Wolf Hall?
Anyway has me thinking that a cod piece was actually a misleading advertisement and the negative derivation might come from there.
Could of course go back to the source word referring to the scrotum though.

But I think cod has been used to mean ersatz for a very long time, presumably centuries.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 13:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

I only ever hear it appended to the word 'reggae' for some reason though. makes me think of someone playing reggae in a tuxedo for some reason? no idea why.

I ain't got no bites / Bad itches is the only thing that I like (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 13:43 (2 months ago) Permalink

The Word Detective: Cod (mock)

“Cod” meaning “phony” has been British slang since the early 20th century, and although “cod” to me immediately conjures up visions of fish and chips, the connection of this “cod” to that is open to question. “Cod,” apart from fishy uses, has actually been slang since the late 17th century, but its original sense (for our purposes here) was to mean “fellow” (especially an old man) or, a bit more pungently, “fool” (“Ye vile drunken cod,” 1878). Some authorities have proposed that this “cod” was actually short for “codger,” meaning “a stingy and/or peculiar old man.” But apparently “cod” in this sense is found in the written record earlier than “codger,” so that explanation is considered dubious (although not impossible, given the spotty nature of the written record in that period).

Another possibility, favored by the eminent etymologist Eric Partridge, is that “cod” in the “old fool” sense was short for the derogatory term “cod head,” i.e., as empty of sense as a fish’s head. This sense of mindlessness might then have evolved to mean “without substance” or “phony.” In any case, we can consider ourselves lucky to have such a nifty little modifier as “cod” to quietly signal “fake.”

Barely worth noting that the roast fish eaten in Jamaica for the better part of 300 years (with sides of collie weed and corn bread) was salted cod from the grand banks of Newfoundland.

We'd like to conduct a wobulator test here (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

“In Elizabethan England you will only find small codpieces. Large ones, stuffed with wool and looking like an erect male member, are out of date”
― Ian Mortimer, The Time Traveller's Guide to Elizabethan England

And from some review:

Basically, the long, loose-fitting and rather modest clothes of 1300 changed – more quickly than in any other century, apparently – into the tight, often revealing and ostentatious dress of 1400. Men’s tunics became ‘court-pieces’, short enough to reveal buttocks at the back and suggestive bulges at the front. (There is no etymological link with ‘codpieces’: I checked in the OED.)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:42 (2 months ago) Permalink

Interestingly enough, from The Dictionary Of American Slang (c. 1960):

codd v.t. To fool or bluff a person. Some c1909 N. Eng. dial. use. Obs.

I bet the New Englanders got it from Olde England, though.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:54 (2 months ago) Permalink

it's everyday usage in Ireland fy

irl lol (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 23:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

I only ever hear it appended to the word 'reggae' for some reason though. makes me think of someone playing reggae in a tuxedo for some reason? no idea why.
― I ain't got no bites / Bad itches is the only thing that I like (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 13:43 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Dog Latin, also known as Cod Latin, macaronic Latin, mock Latin, or Canis Latinicus,[1] refers to the creation of a phrase or jargon in imitation of Latin..."

Just keep lining them up, dl, and we'll keep smashing them out of the ground..

The Manner of Crawly (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 09:25 (2 months ago) Permalink

codd v.t. To fool or bluff a person

surely related to 'kid' amirite?

feargal czukay (NickB), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 09:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

And behind the door of one of the closets there was a drawing in red pencil of a bearded man in a Roman dress with a brick in each hand and underneath was the name of the drawing:

Balbus was building a wall.

Some fellow had drawn it there for a cod. It had a funny face but it was very like a man with a beard.

2 jazz boys 1 jazz cup (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 09:49 (2 months ago) Permalink

THere's cod inteligentsia or cod intellectual or something similar too.
THink I may have heard cod classical used for populist orchestral fare too.

& I think I've heard cod mystical.
Seems to be somewhat exchangeable with the word pseudo

Stevolende, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 14:52 (2 months ago) Permalink

related:

codswallop

Alternative forms:
cod's wallop

Etymology

Unknown, attested from 1959 episode of UK TV series Hancock’s Half Hour. The writers (Galton and Simpson) state that the phrase was in general use when the show was broadcast.[1][2] A national TV appeal in the UK in 2006 failed to find earlier references.[1] Originally written (1963) codswallop, spelling cod's wallop is later.

Various etymologies are proposed from some sense of cod, such as from cod (“scrotum”) (as in codpiece), from cod (“joke, imitation”)[1] + wallop (“beer (slang)”), hence cod + wallop “imitation beer” (with interconsonantal -s- to ease pronunciation of -dw-), or from cod (“fish”) (some part of the fish, as from fishing industry).

feargal czukay (NickB), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 15:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

Walloper

holger sharkey (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 15:55 (2 months ago) Permalink

- Bob Marlin

Mark G, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 20:54 (2 months ago) Permalink

Reggae all about the Bass

holger sharkey (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 21:03 (2 months ago) Permalink

Lee Catch Perry

cod latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 21:23 (2 months ago) Permalink

Or Fish Catch Perchy or something

cod latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 21:24 (2 months ago) Permalink

p sure it derives from codicil

irl lol (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 23:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

http://www.rodstewart.com/tag/another-country/

It also gave me the freedom to experiment with different sounds like reggae

Cod Stewart

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Thursday, 25 June 2015 09:10 (2 months ago) Permalink


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