Is John Mayer really funnier than David Cross?

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Or is that jukebox jury thing in the year-end issue of Spin just a fluke? Mayer is hilarious and smart throughout; Cross falls completely flat!

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

Probably not.

However last night i saw Ryan Adams, and he felt compelled to tell everyone that David Cross is his neighbor.

El Spinktor (El Spinktor), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

Carey's comments on John Mayer are funnier than either of them.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:55 (twenty years ago) link

I agree.

el teeny (teeny), Monday, 8 December 2003 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, did you ever get to see those Mr. Show DVDs? You have been evidincing a beef with Cross for some time now (granted, the jukebox jury thing is brutally unfunny -- but all the way around, as far as I can tell).

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

Both were sort of amusing but disappointingly rockist.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

and I've been saying Mayer's smart and hilarious in interviews on ILM for months. Nobody believes me!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:09 (twenty years ago) link

Cross is a total fuckin' schmuck, and not the least bit funny. His standards for measuring cred are at least a decade out of date.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:10 (twenty years ago) link

Would someone care to link to this if it's on the internet or at the very least summarize?

David Allen, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:16 (twenty years ago) link

I have admittedly been procrastinating on the Mr. Show's, but I only just got a DVD player for my birthday two weeks ago, so give me time!

John Mayer is as of now hereby right up there with Dave Matthews and Les Claypool in the "wow, what a personable guy -- I could totally see getting a few beers with him if his music didn't suck" category.

I love that Anthony said "disappointingly rockist."

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

happy birthday Chuck!

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:19 (twenty years ago) link

David Cross is amazingly funny in sketch roles, but as a stand-up or in interviews (or a juke box jury) fails to impress.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

mr. show is far better via selective memory than actually watching!

(and yes, cross is a douche)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

I like his stand-up, but mainly cuz it sounds like the way me and my friends bitch about dumb shit and tell stories when we're drunk. It's not as impressive as his sketch work, but it still entertains me.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

Have you ever read his (Cross's) Playboy sex-poll interview? Some good stuff there.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

Anthony and/or Phil -- What do you think of (1) Neil Hamburger, (2) Bill Hicks, and/or (3) Jimmy Fallon? 'Cause I don't get any of them, either. They just seem dumb to me. Though maybe it's just 'cause I'm old or something. (And even older now that I had my birthday.)

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:32 (twenty years ago) link

>Anthony and/or Phil<

{Or Yancey or whoever, for that matter}

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

We're the only ones
that I know who think Bill Hicks
overrated, Chuck.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:35 (twenty years ago) link

Neil Hamburger - An acquired taste, for sure. I'm still waiting to acquire it, actually.

Bill Hicks - Needlessly over-angry. I prefer Lewis Black, because he at least makes it funny.

Jimmy Fallon - C'mon, someone's pulling your leg!

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

bill hicks is impossibly overrated.

david cross needs to be shot into the sun.

< /alex in nyc>

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

Nobody thinks Jimmy Fallon is funny.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

not true
http://www.uta.edu/stuact/images/excel/jimmy_fallon.jpg

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:40 (twenty years ago) link

What people forget about Hicks is how much people like Denis Leary, Dennis Miller, and later George Carlin ripped him off.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

Which is why he's not as fresh as he should be.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 December 2003 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

Mayer = dink

Cross = Tobias Funke!!!

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:44 (twenty years ago) link

Neil Hamburger kind of amuses me for five seconds. I'd never buy any but I like playing those short amazon clips for disbelieving friends. Bill Hicks entertains me in the same way Cross does. It's totally indulgent but so are conversations with my friends.

Jimmy Fallon does have talent (he was great in "Almost Famous") but having Lorne Michaels tongue stuck up his ass isn't helping him improve (I haven't watched SNL in years but some of the last ones I saw had him frequently being "Jimmy Fallon" rather than actually playing a part). Plus he laughs at his own shit and settles for cuteness FAR too often. But he can do a decent impersonation and "Idiot Boyfriend" was amusing.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Re: Hicks.

Maybe true, but I didn't even think he was all that funny when he was alive.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

Forget about Mr. Show, forget about the standup, his role as Tobias Funke on Arrested Development is the best thing David Cross has ever done.

I'm not kidding around.

He's not even the best thing about that show, either.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck if yer looking for more Mayer personability check out his "Dear Superstar" column in the last Blender if you haven't already. He admits to going to high school dressed like Jimi Hendrix! Dear Superstar is basically a couple pages of a celebrity answering questions. I'm impressed by the people they've gotten: Dave Grohl, Dave Matthews, David Lee Roth, Meat Loaf, Angus Young...all hilarious!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

Someone, anyone: name ten stand-up comedians whose material is still funny five years later. Cross had that elephant piss story that was pretty good, and a couple of anecdotes on Shut Up You Fucking Baby make me chuckle, but I have to drop my standards to name more than five or six stand-up comedians whose presence endures longer than the headlines informing their set.

Bill Hicks was never funny. His attempts at topical/political humor were so far behind the times it's untrue. In short, he was not that bright. Ryko's efforts to portray him as a misunderstood genius toiling against an ignorant, conservative society are revisionism at its worst. Detestable.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

Here's something I never thought I'd say: "Chris Ott OTM"

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

I agree about Hicks. I've never understood why some people get so worked up about him - he's so dull and boring to me, and his work has aged horribly. It plays well to people who want to think they are rebels or some bullshit, but it's really tired and not very creative comedy.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

The anxiety of influence...blah, blah, blah.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 December 2003 23:18 (twenty years ago) link

ten:
brother dave gardner
moms mabley
pigmeat markham
sam kinison
bill cosby
redd foxx
junior samples
slappy white
whitey ford the duke of paducah
chris rock

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

note: hicks NOT on the list

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

He's not a misunderstood genius, he's a fairly inspired bitter fuck. Though evidently I've got a high tolerance for repetitive rants. Hell, I love Chuck's books.

yo, cinniblount where's Richard Pryor?! don't tell me I'm gonna have to explain why I like HIM here.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

RICHARD PRYOR

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

whoops, xpost

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

i had redd foxx and bill cosby, pryor felt like he was covered somewhere in there

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

parts of Shut Up! made me laugh really hard, so I like him. but you're right, Mayer is WAY more on target in that Spin thing.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

Mayer's comment about a rise in "blurb music" really pissed me off.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

why, Anthony?

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:26 (twenty years ago) link

haha - did you read michelle shocked (shocked! - c. rains) in usa today last week? with the death of the album the future of the music industry is 'nothing but novelty songs'! oh no! i was hoping they would get cledus t. judd to offer up a rebuttal.

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

duh, he writes for blender matos (j/k)

cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:28 (twenty years ago) link

I was tempted to make that joke myself, but I am genuinely curious, in part because I don't remember the quote offhand.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:30 (twenty years ago) link

oh, now I remember it. nevermind. and that USA Today thing was so fucking ridiculously embarrassing

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, what was the blurb comment? I forget that one....

chuck, Monday, 8 December 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

Surprised you guys weren't bugged too. I forget the song its in reference to but Mayer goes on and on about people not writing actual SONGS these days, just catchphrases and loops.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

both of them were way too "oh the horrible state of radio" for my tastes.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

Crazytown was much cooler a year or two ago when they reviewed singles. I never would have known some people think Coldplay's "Yellow" was about an STD!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

how will he masturbate his way out of this one

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:29 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

doesn't this question answer itself?

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 11 February 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link

i want nabisco to do the next interview with him

by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 11 February 2010 03:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i would dig john mayer a lot more if he just did interviews and twitter and comedy sketches and no music ever

I wouldn't! then he would basically just be a dick

iatee, Thursday, 11 February 2010 05:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Funny you should say that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 February 2010 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link

dicks that don't make tiresome music >>> dicks that do

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 11 February 2010 06:23 (fourteen years ago) link

^^

you have to forgive me (surm), Thursday, 11 February 2010 06:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't even know what his comment means

('_') (omar little), Thursday, 11 February 2010 07:44 (fourteen years ago) link

im basically only aware of john mayer as a punchline in US comedy show but this interview is solid gold.

vag white band (history mayne), Thursday, 11 February 2010 10:19 (fourteen years ago) link

a platinum record really ISN'T going to wash your ass.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 11 February 2010 12:24 (fourteen years ago) link

seriously man, just buy the bidet already.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Thursday, 11 February 2010 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link

http://gawker.com/5469637/john-mayer-quits-the-media-game

ksh, Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

So you're saying that he got off the Internet because of us.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

how will he masturbate his way out of this one

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:29 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

doesn't this question answer itself?

fwiw I was just quoting from his Rolling Stone interview, which is basically more of the same as the Playboy interview, except without the "N" word. lots of talk about his masturbatory/porn habits tho

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Why does John Mayer get a free hood pass from blipsters? [

Sometimes a pie is just a pie (KMS), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link

^^^ no

Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

can someone explain what he was trying to say? seriously, i really have no clue.

('_') (omar little), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link

If you're talking about the "hood pass" controversy, what he was saying is that, while a bunch of black people like him, he's not confused about thinking he's black and neither are they; furthermore, if that type of equivalency existed, you wouldn't need a coded, propriety-toeing wink-wink term like "hood pass" to describe it because you could go whole-hog and use offensive verbiage without people taking offense.

Unsurprisingly, people took offense to this, kind of proving his point.

Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link

he's saying you;re saying that like it's something cool, but actually being oppressed isn't that cool when you're living it

zvookster, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link

take yr pick lol

zvookster, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link

http://stereogum.com/img/mayer_mouth.jpg

Sometimes a pie is just a pie (KMS), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

If you're talking about the "hood pass" controversy, what he was saying is that, while a bunch of black people like him, he's not confused about thinking he's black and neither are they; furthermore, if that type of equivalency existed, you wouldn't need a coded, propriety-toeing wink-wink term like "hood pass" to describe it because you could go whole-hog and use offensive verbiage without people taking offense.

Unsurprisingly, people took offense to this, kind of proving his point.

― Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a really good way of summing up what happened. the part after it was really what made me shake my head and kind of get mad at him, though:

What is being black? It’s making the most of your life, not taking a single moment for granted. Taking something that’s seen as a struggle and making it work for you, or you’ll die inside. Not to say that my struggle is like the collective struggle of black America. But maybe my struggle is similar to one black dude’s.

da Condom FATHER (some dude), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link

so glad a white guy has cleared up what its like to be black for us all

Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

If you're talking about the "hood pass" controversy, what he was saying is that, while a bunch of black people like him, he's not confused about thinking he's black and neither are they; furthermore, if that type of equivalency existed, you wouldn't need a coded, propriety-toeing wink-wink term like "hood pass" to describe it because you could go whole-hog and use offensive verbiage without people taking offense.

Unsurprisingly, people took offense to this, kind of proving his point.

this is what i thought, too, fwiw.

werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

The followup to the "hood pass/nigger pass" sectoion feels edited/out of context, seeing as there's no direct correlation between the first 3 sentences and the last 2 that makes a lot of direct sense; mapping things back to his own life would be more understandable of he meant "'being black'" in scare-quotes, meaning that he was still talking about the characteristics about himself that led to him being embraced by black people.

However I am also perfectly willing to believe that he was just quoting verbatim something some of his black friends told him about their experiences and he was thinking more about how that paralleled some of the struggles in his life than he was about how terrifyingly patrician his proclaiming what it is to Be Black would come across.

Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

What is being black? It’s making the most of your life, not taking a single moment for granted

Who asked John Mayer to do Black History Month blurbs?

Can I get a work safe version of that interview, too? Sounds a-mazing.

Cunga, Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

YOUR BODY IS A WONDERLAND... I'M TELLING EVERYBODY!!!

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha

Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I wonder if John Mayer and James Franco get their weed from the same guy.

Cunga, Thursday, 11 February 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

BLACK PEOPLE TO WHITE AMERICA:

ENJOY EVERY SANDWICH

El GarBage (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 11 February 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

that interview reads like the dude from Ray Gun but ten years and millions of dollars in the bank later.

Cunga, Thursday, 11 February 2010 21:16 (fourteen years ago) link

There are so many great lines in this interview that it's hard to pinpoint just a few:

"If you say I’m not adult and stable, it sounds as though I’m someone who’s watching football and playing Xbox. I have this bond with infinite possibility—when I go out to dinner, I bring another shirt, a flashlight, a knife, a hard drive, a camera. It’s not like I wanted to be with somebody else. I want to be with myself, still, and lie in bed only with the infinite unknown. That’s 32, man."

"At this point, before I can have sex I need to know somebody. Unless she’s a 14 out of 10."

"If I have a conversation with a really hot girl that lasts all night and she says, “Wow, I had no idea I was going to like you this much,” that is the equivalent, for me, of getting laid."

"If Jennifer Aniston knows how to use BitTorrent I’ll eat my fucking shoe."

"I want to dance. I want to get on an airplane and be like a ninja. I want to be an explorer. I want to be like The Bourne Identity."

Cunga, Friday, 12 February 2010 05:37 (fourteen years ago) link

"If I have a conversation with a really hot girl that lasts all night and she says, “Wow, I had no idea I was going to like you this much,” that is the equivalent, for me, of getting laid."

pretty sure ive known ppl who say stuff like this

average gangsta rap from average gangstas (deej), Friday, 12 February 2010 05:39 (fourteen years ago) link

"If Jennifer Aniston knows how to use BitTorrent I’ll eat my fucking shoe."

lmao

average gangsta rap from average gangstas (deej), Friday, 12 February 2010 05:40 (fourteen years ago) link

"I want to dance. I want to get on an airplane and be like a ninja. I want to be an explorer. I want to be like The Bourne Identity."

ive also thought this one personally

average gangsta rap from average gangstas (deej), Friday, 12 February 2010 05:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Young and Innocent Days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_z-shZL1KU

Cunga, Friday, 12 February 2010 05:43 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

hood pass revoked

http://i48.tinypic.com/28cn59c.gif

jaxon, Friday, 26 February 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

lol farsighted

Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

This is amazing.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 26 February 2010 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

omfghahahahaha I just got mesmerized focusing only on Kanye's right hand slicing at his chest abt 150 times

Hadrian VIII, Friday, 26 February 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link

two of the most awkward human beings alive, being awkward

max, Friday, 26 February 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Also his use of the word 'fag' was pretty offensive as was his general shitty attitude towards women and how he kept making sure everybody knew Jennifer Aniston was old and he was a young sprightly chicken at 32 who just needed to be ~free~. There was some good points as much as I hate to admit it in his 'hood pass' quote it was just poorly executed. Like his music career and entire existance.

RubyNoir, Saturday, 27 February 2010 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link

this guy is on a nother level

black man comes at him with a wicked karate chop and he disarms!
plays it off like white and nerdy

disaster averted + gif meme created

tramp steamer, Sunday, 28 February 2010 04:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Hahahaha I fucking love that.

t(o_o)t (ENBB), Sunday, 28 February 2010 13:32 (fourteen years ago) link

What's with this scene of mini-Mayer singer-songwriters that that are kind of big and famous but I have never even heard of?

I'm talking Matt Nathanson, Matt Wertz, Dave Barnes. A quick glance at their wikipedia pages shows all sorts of appearances on tv and soundtracks, but who are they and what's their deal? The scene seems to be some weird DMB/country/Christian rock/folk rock pool party.

Cunga, Friday, 5 March 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i think TV soundtracks is a big tipoff there -- there's a whole world of musicians who exist for no other reason than to score contemplative moments in Grey's Anatomy and Scrubs

some dude, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link

fratboys

jaxon, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I remember when my fratbro RA and I were talking music for the first time, he talked about all these different singer-songwriters, and not only did they all sound the same to me but they all seem to look and act the same, too. Wouldn't be surpised if it's all the same guy producing these contemplative music moments for Grey's Anatomy tbh.

xpost yeah

Cunga, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh CW network (and the WB before you), so much to answer for.

Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 March 2010 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link

i wonder if this entire cottage industry sprang up just because Coldplay set their licensing fees prohibitively high or something

some dude, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link

even the kind of critics who can appreciate horrible pop and defend really uncool music take the http://i45.tinypic.com/20z7o9k.jpg

attitude to this kind of thing.

xpost the Coldplay-John Mayer-the Fray music licensing cartel

Cunga, Friday, 5 March 2010 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link


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