Sacred cows from the dance canon that are now irrelevant

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Just thinking about that "is dance music starting to have an irritating heritage" thread and that a lot of old dance tunes are revered for being "the first" to do something but would just sound like hackneyed old crap to an 18 year old listener today.

e.g.

Lil Louis - "French kiss"

First progressive house record etc. etc. but basically sounds like any piece of formulaic UK cheese from 94-97. The slowing down bit and orgasm noises are particularly painful.

Joey Beltram - "Mentasm"

So it might have been scary when it came out, but 10 years worth of trance records with hoover noises and "paranoid" melodies have removed any vestige of interest from the sound. Energy Flash holds up but this sounds dudder than dud to me now.

Bomb the Bass - "Beat dis"

Big beat. Yawn.


Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thing is Lil Louis sounded naff but weirdly compelling even at the time.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"The Twist", "The Hustle", "The Macarena".

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Beat Dis" is on-target maybe but the other two are phenomenal!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

dude I heard the Macarena the other day and it was just as insidiously awesome as ever

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the hustle? are you kidding?

gaz (gaz), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

is he kidding about which, that "The Hustle" is irrelevant, or that it was ever "a sacred cow of the dance canon"?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Therein lies the mystery.

Nom De Plume (Nom De Plume), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Derrick May's 'The Dance'? Just a suggestion. I don't think it's his strongest track.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Derrick May in general to be honest. How many 18 year olds could sit through all of Innovator?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, but would individual tracks work on a dancefloor?

gaz (gaz), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

tom your dismissal of derrick may always saddens me. me!!

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

countdown until someone makes smarmy "dance music has always been irrelevant" comment.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

p.s. "strings of life" roxx u all hate samba magic

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

also i was just listening to "energy flash" today and it sounds enervated as hell (especially next to the wedlock track that follows it on the mix cd), but compelling in a completely different way just the same.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not dismissing him completely Jess, I just sort of wish he hadn't put out a double CD full of ambient piano wash called Innovator!

(Obv I'd have preferred a double CD of etc etc called Druqks as it turns out.)

I still like Strings Of Life but I'm not totally sure how many 18 year olds would. Pretty much all 86-88 stuff sounds really slow now.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yeah i listened to "voodoo ray" the other day and it sounded like a shannon record or something.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

old house music is now the "screwed" version of dance music

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 01:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Goldie - Inner City Life. The 'breakthrough' single now just sounds like the prog breakbeat bollocks it was at the time.

Craig David/Artful Dodger - Re-Rewind. R'n b has overtaken this, and the whole UK garage sound now has dated badly.

Reel 2 Reel - I Like to move it. Kids would laugh at this the way kinds then laughed at it.

also, when you think about the dance canon, it makes you realise just how much shit was signed or released that was utterly pointless:

wiseguys, crystal method or monkey mafia, anyone?

and all the careers that survived for years on the basis of a few good early tracks: The Orb, Orbital, Juan Atkins...

paulhw (paulhw), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It pains me to suggest it, but what would our hypothetical teenager think of "Renegade Snares" eh?

Yes it seems a bit unfair to suggest "I Like To Move It" as a 'sacred cow', I did it at karaoke though and the rap isn't as easy as I thought it would be.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the re-rub of renegade snares was a huge hit this year, though!

i vigorously disagree with the uk garage assessment, i suppose it goes without saying.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think many (or any) of these tracks sound irrelevant. Everything mentioned seems like it still directly/indirectly informs a lot of stuff released currently. I will agree that music "seems" faster these days.

And why is sounding like a SHANNON record at all bad?!?!?!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Exception: that Goldie track sounds pretty naff, but I'm not sure how dance-floor oriented it was to begin with (and was it really a classic?!?)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i never said it was bad thing alex; it was merely a tempo reference.

also, all those old school keyboard patterns sound way more electro than house now, with the hindsight of 10-15 years of history.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The UK pop R&B scene as far as I can see has 'moved on' to retro-disco (good though some of it is) and fleamarket Destiny's Child knock-offs, witness the hugely disappointing second Mis-Teeq record.

Inner City Life was hailed as a classic more out of hope than anything else I think. I can't remember a record from that time that I tried quite as hard to like.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

haha i still like "inner city life" : (

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The funny thing is that electro is probably as relevant as house is in the current scheme of dance music.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Speed garage still works even today! It's just that you can only drop one tune in a set instead of two hours of it...

MAW feat India - "I can't get no sleep"

I think this sounds pretty corny now, much as I used to love it. The minimal US garage sound is kind of timeless but all the disco-ised stuff now sounds like Room 5 (i.e. bad).


Todd Terry - "Weekend"

What a pointless record. The original sounds much fresher and the stuttering beats which are charming on some other records from the era just really grate.

De'Lacy - "Hideaway"

This comes across as really thin and watery. I think we expect monster bass with everything now, and dance tunes that don't have it really suffer.

Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

if we're talking about the full 20 minute version, then i think the "jah" section is still one of the best things goldie ever did (though way below "terminator" and "angel" for starters.)

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ooh ooh i finally have one! "PULP FICTION"

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

wait, actually that's not so irrelevant as it just sounds shit now.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i'm not doing so well at this game.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I also think "Inner City Life" is pretty good actually - awesome programming! It sounds more interesting now than a lot of the secong-tier Good Looking stuff for that reason.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I also think "Inner City Life" is pretty good actually - awesome programming! It sounds more interesting now than a lot of the secong-tier Good Looking stuff for that reason.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

There was a lot of sweet, noodley stuff with bendy strings that people went ape over in about 1990 but which hasn't aged so well. Then again, some of it has.

On Derrick May again, I was somewhat embarassed by the fact that I nominated my FAVOURITE D May track as my least favourite. The Dance totally rocks my world and always has. I don't know what a teenager would make of it though. It's Strings of Life that I think is over-rated. Especially those string stabs that go all the way thru. They're crap. I like the ambient version but.

Even more controversially, I want to advance the thesis (ooh, thesis!)that it's the brutalist techno that ages well. The noodling bendy string stuff, with fingers studiously avoiding sharps and flats, making pretty tunes, hasn't aged so well. Even here, there's some exceptions, like R-Tyme's 'R-Theme'.

Almost all Alan Oldham's brutalist stuff has aged really well, cos he's so damn funky.

Todd Terry, to my ears, sounds old-fashioned but good, due to his keen structural skills and his rhythm box programming.

Hey I think we need some teenagers to answer these questions.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The last time I heard "Hideaway" it still sounded lovely - wasn't on any sort of big bassy system though.

I think the Bjorky vocal tracks on that Alex Reece record probably sound a lot better now than they did in '96, I can never even remember Pulp Fiction through.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry about that.

"The UK pop R&B scene as far as I can see has 'moved on' to retro-disco (good though some of it is) and fleamarket Destiny's Child knock-offs, witness the hugely disappointing second Mis-Teeq record."

B-b-but Tom the Destiny's Child knock-offs on the second Mis-Teeq record are better than those on the first!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

speaking of good looking, as much as it pains me to admit this: "music" and "atlantis", if we're talking "relevance" not aesthetics.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

THIS IS ALL XPOST

wasn't the commotion over "inner city life" more about the "jah: the seventh seal" mix anyway?

i'm not sure derrick may ever appealed to any american eighteen year-olds who weren't there in person at the music institute.

"french kiss" is more relevant now than any other time in the last ten years, same with the other 86-88 tracks mentioned.

you're starting to resort to stuff that wasn't ever in any "canon", jacob.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

They are so not! The whole sassy garage girls / raw London edge branding has gone completely!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it's weird to me how so much of the "aqueous" end of dnb these days sounds like bad quiet storm rnb rather than jazz funk or ambient.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"They are so not! The whole sassy garage girls / raw London edge branding has gone completely!"

??? "Nitro"? "Eye Candy"? "Just For You"?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Has anyone got any 'best 100 dance singles' lists from Muzik or Mixmag etc - I'm sure I remember them doing ones in the mid-90s and they'd make really interesting reading now.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

OK Tim I will give it another listen tomorrow. Maybe it will be the Next Record I Was Wrong About.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

'i'm not sure derrick may ever appealed to any american eighteen year-olds who weren't there in person at the music institute.'

Yeah, but it's a much different story elsewhere in the world.


colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

...Although I'll happily admit that some of the R&B tracks on Lickin' On Both Sides are quite underrated, especially "You're Gonna Stay".

Those moist ballads on Eye Candy really grew on me after a while as well. Check the harmonies on "Home Tonight"!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

most techno I own is pretty damn wack in hindsight, but actual dance music certainly is never relevant.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

never IRrelevant. Goddamnit Anthony, proofread!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

From Mixmag 1996:

Alison limerick - Where love lives
Joey beltram - Energy flash
Ce ce rogers - Someday
Josh wink - Higher state of conciousness
Eric b & rakim - Paid in full
Underworld - Cowgirl/rez
Mariah carey - Dreamlover
Future sound of london - Papua new guinea
Joe smooth - Promised land
Massive attack - Unfinished sympathy
Orbital - Chime
Donna summer - I feel love
Nightwriters - Let the music use you
Fpi project - Everybody(all over the world)
Jaydee - Plastic dreams
X-press 2-london - X-press(the journey continues)
Rhythim is rhythim - Strings of life
Jam & spoon - Stella
Mr fingers - Can you feel it
Inner city - Good life
Everything but the gir l - Missing
Gat decor -passion
Leftfield/lydon -Open up
Bizarre inc -Playing with knives
Dsk - What would we do
Hardfloor - Hardtrance acperience
Dj misjah & dj tim - Access
Stone roses - Fools gold
Itj bukem - Horizons
Dave clarke - Red 2(of 3)
Phuture - Acid trax
Funky green dogsfrom outer space reach for me
Sabres of paradise - Smokebelch 2
K-klass - Rhythm is a mystery
Moby - Go!
Urban soul - Alright
Age of love - Age of love
Candi staton - You got the love
Frankie knuckles/jamie principle - Your love
Aphex twin - Digeridoo
Goodmen - Give it up
Baby d - Let me be your fantasy
Circuit - Shelter me
Jam & spoon - Follow me
Bassheads - Is there anybody out there?
A guy called gerald - Voodoo ray
Billie ray martin - Your loving arms
Ron trent - Altered states
Brothers in rhythm -Such a good feeling
Empirion - Narcotic influence
Sl2 - Djs take control
De'lacy - Hideaway
Lil' louis - French kiss
Degrees of motion - Do you want it right now?
Sueno latino -Sueno latino
Ravesignal 3 - Horsepower
Last rhythm - Last rhythm
Shades of rhythm - The sound of eden
Slam - Positive education
Bucketheads - The bomb!
Lionrock - Packet of peace
Inner city - Pennies from heaven
Glam - Hell's party
Hashim - Al naafyish(the soul)
South street player - (Who)keeps changing your mind?
Marshall jefferson - Move your body(house music anthem)
Kariya - Let me love you for tonight
Subliminal cuts - Le voie le soleil
Mantronix - King of the beats
River ocean - Love and happiness
Urban shakedown - Some justice
Nghtcrawlers - Push the feeling on
M people - How can i love you more?
808 state - Pacific state
Capricorn - 20 hz
Lfo - Lfo
Leftfield - Not forgotten
Dee patten - Who's the badman?
Dan hartman - Relight my fire
Frankie knuckles - The whistle song
Outlander - Vamp
Ruffneck - Everybody be somebody
Red planet - Stardancer
Nitro deluxe - This brutal house
Sterling void - It's alright/runaway girl
The prodigy - Out of space
Soul 2 soul - Keep on movin'
Liquid - Sweet harmony
Stetsasonic - Talkin' all that jazz
Disco evangelists - De niro
Grace - Not over yet
Young mc - Know how
Robin s - Show me love
Rhythm on the loose - Break of dawn
Cool jack - Just come
D:ream - U r the best thing
Robert owens - I'll be your friend
Felix - Don't you want me?
A homeboy,a hippie and a funki dread - Total confusion
Jesus loves you - Generations of love

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Are there any true sacred cows out side of Detroit electonic dance music? They were surely the ultimate sacred cow in dance music?

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 8 December 2003 02:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

old house music is now the "screwed" version of dance music


best comment ever!

i dont really like target either. i dont like all the stuff he does with pianos, and his beats wobble between "really good" and "really boring". those aim high comps are peppered with boring tunes by target on it. "they dont know", that doneao tune is a good example. its sort of ok because of his trademark accordian, but it could really easily be Another Rubbish Target tune. i dont mind riko but D double is awful. that stupid sound he makes is, well, stupid!

i think breaks are a bit of an easy target. like big beat, they are super populist and kinda naff but they are sort of compelling, in a listless way (?!). like, i was dancing to breaks at the weekend, and it was good to just sort of feel...nothing...just like beats, and bass.

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 09:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"What About This Love" is definitely canonical, is it not?

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 09:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

if people hated Lil Louis so much then why was "French Kiss" no. 1 on the Billboard dance charts for two weeks in '89?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 09:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Also, for the record, everyone outside a few HATED Lil' Louis at the time

but, it sold a million copies or something. it was thee dance track of '89.

x post

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 09:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

like, i was dancing to breaks at the weekend, and it was good to just sort of feel...nothing...just like beats, and bass

yeah, that's a pretty good way of putting it - maybe no wonder j lavelle is calling his new (fashion) project "surrender"? you could also note his predilection for black-on-black-on-black color schemes ...

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 09:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

My wife was out in the clubs when "French Kiss" dropped (as were you, DB) and apparently Boston was going MAD for that song. Actually, when I finally got it on a comp and played it on the home stereo, she completely freaked out and shouted "I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS SONG FOR YEARS!!!!!!!!" and she never, ever, ever, ever, ever does that.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I still luv "bat dis", fuck the haters.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

beat dis. argh.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'beat dis' is grate.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Beat Dis" fucking rocks!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

but is it still relevant, is the question? sample collage type tracks were by and large a late 80s fad that didn't survive. the more recent mash-up phenomenon made a lot of it feel relevant again to an extent (and served as a reminder that yes 'beat Dis' was/is good, but to look at the climate and stance of Dance (as tree with numerous branches stemming from the same big trunk) now, are there any clues in any current dance music that suggests 'Beat Dis' and it's ilk ever existed or mattered? That's interesting.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think 'French Kiss' is absolutely relevant today given the darker, minimal tone of a lot of house music...partly through electroclash. 'Energy Flash' too. these are tracks you could presumably still drop today and be met with general approval were it not for just how ubiquitous they remain. if i heard 'Washing Machine' in a set now i'd go mental, but that's partly because i was never familiar with it for so long - it was just another one of those tracks i'd only heard about.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'beat dis' might be irrelevant to contemporary producers, but the basic moral beauty of the thing remains inspirational today.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Was "Give It Up" ever popular enough to make sacred cow status? Because my impression is that desipte how much I completely adore and ove it, it's almost completely irrelevant to what people want to dance to now.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it's evidently the mid 90s stuff that is now deemed irrelevant and has been re-evaluated in the process. 'Exit Planet Dust' is the prime example (along with 'Leftism' I suppose, Underworld having escaped the expiry date trend gun with more intact). In 1995, a dynamic sonic tour de force with the Chems amalgamating love of JB breaks, European techno, bone-crunching NY electro, psychey/droney folk etc. to excellent effect. In 2005 it's widely seen as a stodgy, amateurish forerunner to better things. Though it's relevancy depends on whether you still see the Chems as influential today. They've moved on from it somewhat (though their album template does remain more or less the same) thus it's hard for me to berate their first effort because as lumpy as it may sound now it's also got the spunk the latter work naturally lacks due to repetition of formulae).

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'Give It Up' was HUGE at it's time, a top 5 hit even (a year after it first surfaced). I think you're right though Dan, looking at things now, you'd never know it existed.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Surely Exit Planet Dust is still the second best album The Chemical Bros ever made? "Life Is Sweet"! "Chico's Groove"! "

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

SteveM otm re Lil' Louis and it's current relevance. I've got the album 'the world of Lil Louis' and the single 'You called me' is a blueprint for someone like Miss Kittin.

For me Exit Planet Dust is like drinking Belgian fruit beer. Intriguing, a little strange, outwardly appealing but having to take more than a few sips is more than the body can stand. Whenever I hear 'The brother's gonna work it out' and the crunching bass and beats comes in, I'm praying for the record to end.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I utterly love Belgian fruit beer :) But I played 'Exit Planet Dust' far too much and haven't really listened to it in the last five years as a result.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Still love 'Life Is Sweet' though. The Daft Punk remix would probably still work today too.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't think the Chems did anything embarrasing until Surrender but I know that no one else agrees with me. "Chico's Groove" is a total beast.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Admittedly when I pull it out these days I usually go straight to the second half of the album - if I wanted to listen to the first half I'd probably just play Dig Your Own Hole instead.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Actually, when I really think about it, "Loops of Fury" is maybe the best track they ever did!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't really care if "beat dis" (or for that matter "pump up the volume", which is even better) is relevant or not. it rocks! It's great! I'd have to say that I can't think of anything in the field of dance music I've heard in the last 18 months-2yrs that I've liked even a tiny little bit.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

But this thread is/was about relevancy, not what rocks!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not a big fan of the M.I.A.?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I suppose. I don't really care about relevancy, though.

(x-post not esp bothered one way or the other, Dan)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yay with all this Exit/"Loops"/Dig talk. (When it is positive.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

relevancy hates fun!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's an interesting question to me because, up until maybe 2000-2001, I'd say that dance music was the last genre out there where irrelevancy was one of its defining characteristics (ie, "that's so six months ago" was one of its defining points, moreso even than pop music, particularly since the local pop stations have taken to programming in an "old-school" top-40 hit or three into their playlists). What with the one-two punch of the mashup scene and the electroclash boom, a gigantic dose of r---ism appears to have been injected into the genre and suddenly all of the discourse is about canon and signifiers to past tracks etc etc etc. A thread like this, which would have been laughable 6-7 years ago, now makes sense.

I wonder if we're watching the normal life cycle of a major genre being played out here.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Dance is dead, ergo dancing is dead, ergo we must have all your legs, they are not needed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I mean I still love everything mentioned on this thread but recognise that some of it sounds 'dated' or indeed might as well have never existed for the lack of it's influence in anything going on today. And it is interesting to think of tracks that fit that description.

'Give It Up' is a good example because the 'tribal beats' thing has seemingly disappeared entirely from the Dance palette this decade. Plus, the way that track is structured follows a certain model which I'm not sure exists anymore. The marimba-like riff that comes in halfway through really lights the whole thing up and it feels more like a pop song than an underground club thing as a result. But this line was blurrier then and now seems much more clearly defined. Or maybe I'm wrong and there are similar recent examples of a similar thing today.

Talking about tracks like this in terms of their crossover success I often find useful but then the charts seemed more relevant then than they do now too. I was just thinking that you may well get a 'French Kiss' sort of track in the top 3 today if the gimmick was plugged well enough, but you don't seem to get sublime instrumental dance tracks in the charts today like you once did with 'Pacific', or maybe even Robert Miles 'Children'! So what is their relevance, in that respect?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 13:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
interesting thread, which i'd missed before.

also:

6th Feb - The Source feat. Candi Staton - You Got The Love (Positiva)

is on EMI's release schedule for 2006 - any ideas what form it's going to take this time?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

OOh!

Let it be Gabba!

Why hasn't there been an old-skool/jungle-techno revival lately?

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think dance music dates faster than any other genre, mostly due to the combination of the simplicity of the music itself, and the vast amount of producers out there waiting to be heard. the thing is... dance music is also timeless in ways that a lot of non-dance oriented music isn't. the only thing that gets played out fast is the voices, beat-styles, or even just changing scenes due to outside factors. if a song inspires dance, it doesn't matter how old it is. there are only so many target BPM ranges you can dance within. there are a limited number of unique rhythmnic pulses. the foundations essentially stay the same - it's the decorations that change. that's why there have been (white label) remixes of these sacred cows pretty much every year since they came out.

could be on drugs, who knows, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 21:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the new version of 'You Got The Love' is exactly the same as the remix from ten years ago but with weaker drums. utterly worthless.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 11:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Why hasn't there been an old-skool/jungle-techno revival lately?

Presumably there has been a bit of this within the scene itself - people like High Contrast remixing 'Renegade Snares' etc.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 11:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

landcruising

Yawn (Wintermute), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 11:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

to my ears, right now landcruising certainly sounds more relevant than innerzone orchestra

jcartledge (jcartledge), Saturday, 14 January 2006 06:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Fezaffe, why you break heart?

adamrl (nordicskilla), Saturday, 14 January 2006 23:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Jacob, do you know the new version of "Hypnotic tango" by Master Blaster? Maybe you should give it a try...

― Rudolf (Rudolf), Monday, December 8, 2003 10:01 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

L.. O.. L.. you've gotta be kidding, right?

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Saturday, 18 July 2009 02:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's so rediculously over the top, i love that version. Their album is great too.

Siegbran, Saturday, 18 July 2009 08:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean these guys don't give those italo tunes the reverential treatment at all like the Bunker dudes etc but totally maintain the utter cheesiness factor - 00s style.

Siegbran, Saturday, 18 July 2009 08:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

we need one for rock/indie/etc

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 15 May 2017 20:03 (one week ago) Permalink

The ultimate goal of pop is to eventually (or rapidly) become irrelevant, so congrats to everyone listed in this thread!

everything, Monday, 15 May 2017 20:14 (one week ago) Permalink

Is that the official statement

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 15 May 2017 20:22 (one week ago) Permalink

we don't need anything for rock/indie

brimstead, Monday, 15 May 2017 23:10 (one week ago) Permalink

some sort of vaccine maybe

The Remoans of the May (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 May 2017 23:13 (one week ago) Permalink

plenty of syringes in use among artists of all genres

i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, 15 May 2017 23:15 (one week ago) Permalink

Ryan Adams strikes again.

how's life, Tuesday, 16 May 2017 09:53 (one week ago) Permalink


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