(Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses) Hey Horses! You´ve been around all night and that´s a little long You think you´ve got the right but I think you´ve got it wrong Why can´t you say goodnight so you can take me home, Horses ´Cause when you say you will, it always means you won´t You´re givin´ me the chills, baby, please baby don´t Every night you still leave me all alone, Horses Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses Hey Horses! Now when you take me by the - who´s ever gonna know Everytime you move I let a little more show There´s somethin´ we can use, so don´t say no, Horses So come on and give it to me any way you can Any way you wanna do it, I´ll take it like a man Oh please, baby, please, don´t leave me in the jam, Horses Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses, hey Horses) (Oh Horses, you´re so fine you´re so fine you blow my mind, hey Horses) Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses Oh Horses, what a pity you don´t understand You take me by the heart when you take me by the hand Oh Horses, you´re so pretty, can´t you understand It´s guys like you Horses Oh, what you do Horses, do Horses Don´t break my heart, Horses
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 09:57 (twenty years ago) link
You know, those of us who have loved this record, either back in the day, or since (although especially back-in-the-day), simply cannot ditch its brilliance just because there's now a backlash to its canonisation.
That's what I think, anyway.
― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:21 (twenty years ago) link
I mean, "pretentious"? WTF? Not only is "pretentious" not a pejorative, but with Leonard Cohen cited as an example of same, we're s'posed to somehow accept this bizarre conclusion? Len is also great, people!!!
There's something in that each-subsequent-record-gets-worse thing, though.
Easter is a very nice record (moments of beauty, but moments of intense awkwardness) that's not in the ballpark of Horses in terms of impact. Importance. Sigh. I don't really understand what "importance" means, objectively. Having said that, Gone Again is really the only other good Patti Smith album. Her output over a long career is patchy.
None of which takes away from the amazing Horses.
― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Nu-Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:46 (twenty years ago) link
But wait... wasn't it canonized 'cause it was deemed "important"?
Some love it, some hate it, some are indifferent. What's the answer? A show of hands? This "important" thing seems kind of, well... silly.
― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 10:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 11:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:03 (twenty years ago) link
― The Spotlight Kid (kid), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:13 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, "You Can't Stop The Bum Rush" rules. I'd never established a connection between 'em and Patti Smith, but I guess "Horses" shares that chaotic throw-everything-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks mood that that album has.
What? Oh, Cohen. He's great too. "The Essential" rocked my Spring of 2003.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Flyboy (Flyboy), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:45 (twenty years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 12:47 (twenty years ago) link
― thiscorrosion, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 13:10 (twenty years ago) link
Afraid not. Should I?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:05 (twenty years ago) link
I can't fucking handle it. Do me a favor, flush your head down the shitter for making such an ignorant, sexist statement.
― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
Dream on, Wrongboy.
Hey David A.....calm thyself. I'm not organizing a goon squad that's going to go around house-to-house, confiscating copies of Horses, just so we can start a big bonfire, Kilroy Was Here-stylee. I just think the album in question (Patti's, not Styx's) is an undeservedly lionized bit of pompous schlock.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Burr (Burr), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:26 (twenty years ago) link
so i'm asking, once again, why some people seem to want to go out of their way to malign Patti Smith ? this isn't the first thread to set out to dismiss not only this record but Smith herself. why is it so important to dump on this relatively concise artist (she hasn't made many records and has admitted that it would be worse to make too many bad ones than vice versa) ?
(oh, ok, most people on this thread seem to like her, but that "Loathsome New Yorkers" thread, that just made the new yorkers that talked up the original tabloid week-end "feature" and it's readers appear to be the loathsome ones)
― george gosset (gegoss), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:28 (twenty years ago) link
I don't think I'd have worded it quite that way, but fair enough.... because of the disparity between the quality of her work and the praise said work enjoys.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Not that Chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 17:20 (twenty years ago) link
Actually, I think all those artists were pretty clearly in Patti's lineage, and not just because they're women. But if it makes you any happier, *Horses* is *also* catchier, funnier, sexier, more rocking, and more memorable than any album that Tom Waits, Nick Cave, Radiohead, U2, REM, Pink Floyd, the Grateful Dead, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pavement, Roy Orbison, Bob Marley, Tupac, Boogie Down Productions, Tribe Called Qwest, the Misfits, Iron Maiden, the Smiths, or Sisters of Fucking Mercy ever made. Okay?
― chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link
― David Eugene Vinson (Gaughin), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link
11. If you could put together the worst concert bill possible, what 5 bands would you put on it? 1.Jet 2.Journey 3.Patti Smith 4.Wham! 5.Glass Tiger
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 19:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 20:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link
I can't help noticing you negelected to mention Kix, Chuck!
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:21 (twenty years ago) link
And I never even heard a Tribe Called Qwest SONG I liked much, though honestly I haven't actually listed to *Low End Theory* in centuries. They always struck me as really prissy or contained or reserved or something. Is the debut the one I reviewed in Rolling Stone?
― chuck, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:28 (twenty years ago) link
Ha, yeah, you couldn't have picked a better example if you'd wanted to wound me in my heart if you'd tried! That record had a massive impact on me. I'd even go as far as to utter (quietly) that cliché about lives being saved, etc. So, no wonder you picked up on my lack of calmness, heh. Subjective taste-driven outrage aside, the only part I really mean is the lionization thing -- it's unfair to blame the album for it, but life's unfair I suppose...
Anyway, in my world of one, it's unthinkable to like the Sisters but hate Horses, ha!
― David A. (Davant), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:56 (twenty years ago) link
I see no correllation sound-wise between the Sisters of Mercy and Patti Smith (although Andrew does cite Horses on his list of favorite records on the official site. Then again, Andrew also cites a Stone Temple Pilots record, so go know.)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:00 (twenty years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:04 (twenty years ago) link
Because it's not as metal as *Radio Ethiopia*, probably. (But it's still better, and it still rocked harder. "Gloria" can do that to a record, you know? Even go ask Santa Esmeralda. Or Laura Branigan!)
― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:09 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:11 (twenty years ago) link
Nah, me neither (although you might arguably find more "gothic" in Easter). It was a failed joke at my own expense -- ie/ I like these two things, so how can anyone not?
(Interesting that AE cites Horses, though. I didn't know that.)
― David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:12 (twenty years ago) link
― islandscott, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:12 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS80311061622542118&sql=Aosj20r6at48x
Sorry, Alex!
(If the link doesn't work, just look up *The Best of Branigan* on AMG.)
― chuck, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:15 (twenty years ago) link
Hmmmm. Hadn't heard that one. I always thought it was a rip-off of "More than a Feelin'".
(And Michael Freedberg says all the dark goth metal bands I love rip them off, too.)
Who is Michael Freedburg that he should be making such allegations?
I used to like them okay myself; I just thought Red Lorry Yellow Lorry were more fun.
Who got the notion that I have a Sisters of Mercy tatoo on my arm? I like them, but I wouldn't take a bullet for them or anything. They certainly made more than their share of dubious records. I like everything up to and including First and Last and Always. After that, s'alright, but the magic had largely dissipated for me. Floodland is pretty good. Apart from "Ribbons", most of Vision Thing is a phone-in.
Yeah, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry were cool (though not sure I'd categorically refer to them as "fun").
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 00:17 (twenty years ago) link