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Have heard alot about this one, but don't know where to start really...strongest tracks?

― David-Graham Steans, Monday, 1 December 2003 19:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

Try this thread: /ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?thread.php?msgid=3460904

― scott m (mcd), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

And ignore everything "st" says; he's on some weird anti-indie-rap vendetta and has no idea what he's talking about.

"Where to start" is a bastard of a question considering he's got a hand in at least four albums this year (if you count the leaked Madvillainy). I made a comp recently of his best stuff (both producing and MCing from 1999-mid '03; not including Madvillainy or Viktor Vaughn Vaudeville Villain), and it goes like this:

king geedorah - fazers
monsta island czars - m.i.n.y.a.
mf doom - who you think i am ft. m.i.c.
king geedorah - fastlane ft. biolante
mf doom - go with the flow
m.i.c. - mic line
king geedorah - anti-matter ft. mf doom and mr. fantastik
mf doom - operation greenbacks
king geedorah - lockjaw ft. trunks
mf doom - i hear voices (part once)
king geedorah - next levels ft. lil' sci, id 4 winds & stahhr
mf doom - doomsday
king geedorah - the final hour ft. mf doom
m.i.c. - 1,2... 1,2
mf doom - gas drawls
m.i.c. - take control
mf doom - ? ft. kurious
m.i.c. - make it squash
king geedorah - krazy world ft. gigan
mf doom - tick, tick ft. mf grimm
m.i.c. - under pressure
mf doom - dead bent
king geedorah - the fine print

*Geedorah is an MF Doom alias, is why I'm all "huh?" when he has a King Geedorah track "ft. MF Doom".

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

i don't know much at all about doom's own material - but his track on herbalizer's something wicked this way comes and blacklist with prefuse 73 are both solid tracks.

― dyson (dyson), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

the king gheedorah album is my favorite of the year.

its hilarious in reviews when they write that he only raps on two tracks. ALIASES YOU DUMBSHITS! he's on nearly every track. and two of the few he isn't on are my favorites "Krazy World" and "I Wonder"

the madvillian album is also superb.

and viktor vaughn.

can't wait for MM FOOD!!!!!!!

― joshd, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 00:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

I take it you mean the AMG review ("MF Doom's two vocal features make up for much of the mentalist madness." Well okay). Dumb, yeah, but it's not the first time they've sputtered inanities at an MF Doom record.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

Well, I've seen it in multiple places.

To use pitchfork as an example (sorry)-

...The King Geedorah project, unlike Doom's recent outing as Viktor Vaughn, finds MF almost exclusively behind the boards, comfortable with rocking the SP1200 and letting others turn out the mic. Only two tracks feature Doom rhyming, but at least one of them is an album highlight...

Now yeah i know PITCHFORK BLAH BLAH CLOWNS BLAH BLAH, but the kid loves the record, makes reference to past doom projects, and yet still he doesn't recognize MF DOOM'S GODDAMN VOICE.

― joshd, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

you're lucky patrin!!

― mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

OMG you better write him a nasty letter then! I can't believe someone/anyone would be confused by an artist who only uses half-a-dozen or so pseudonyms and personas. Sheesh, some people just ain't got no sense.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wwhile i applaud the spirit of your post, i just want to say that
the man has a very distinctive voice. If you are familiar with his past work (as the above two reviews claim) it should be apparent even after only one listen that he is on more than just the songs that are credited as "featuring mf doom."

there's a significant difference between saying an album has 2 songs with mf doom verses when its closer to 6 or 7.

its just shoddy writing, because his verses on "no snakes alive" and "the fine print" are fab!

― joshd, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 02:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Classic. Operation Doomsday was the shit. Viktor Vaughn IS THE SHIT.

― Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe someone/anyone would be confused by an artist who only uses half-a-dozen or so pseudonyms and personas.

Wouldn't you recognize, say, Willie Nelson singing if he went by the name Harvis Finkelwert?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

So wait wait regardless of what persona he's using, dude ALWAYS raps about exactly the SAME things with exactly the SAME flow?!?! Why the bunch of pseudonyms then?!?! Why not stick with just one?

Not to mention the fact that it's plausible that someone might use or collaborate with rappers/singers/etc. who sound rather a lot like they do. Why wouldn't you assume that Harvis Finkelwert isn't just a big Willie Nelson fan who sounds quite a lot like Willie?!?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

I guess you may...but if you knew Willie was prone to use pseudonyms, and there's all these people with unfamiliar names singing an awfully lot like him on his records, and you are paid to research and review his music, shouldn't it get you at least wondering?

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 04:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

No.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

*slap*

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

I spend my time thinking about useful stuff.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

I like cake.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

Purple is pretty.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 05:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey josh, I thought you were talking about me and I was all ready to be like "YOU BITCH, I have Operation Doomsday on vinyl and a homemade shirt that says 'I'm at where your sister went'!". And then I realized that I reviewed Viktor Vaughn and not King Geedorah. To be technical, MF Doom raps on, what, five songs on KG? Fazers and The Fine Print are far and away the standouts and Dumile's verse on 'Anti-Matter' is the toughest thing to come out this year, I think. "Doom with the hog's leg, straight up, New Yorkin'"

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 07:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Top ten Doom tracks:

1) MF Doom "Operation: Greenbacks"
2) MF Doom "Dead Bent" (12" version)
3) Viktor Vaughn "Saliva"
4) MF Doom "Red And Gold"
5) MF Doom "Doomsday"
6) Viktor Vaughn "Lickupon"
7) King Geedorah "The Fine Print"
8) MF Doom ft. Kurious "?"
9) MF Doom "Hey!"
10) King Geedorah "Fazers"

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 07:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

My fav. Doom track is "Rhymes Like Dimes" just because it flows so well with unexpected lyrics. It seems like everything is spilling out of his mouth and he can't control what he raps. (See the Young Gunz "Can't Stop, Won't Stop" for example.)

But the new "Vaudeville Villain" album is his best overall. It has one of the best great:crap lyric ratios in recent memory. Tons of quotables. Best hip-hop album of 2003.

― Adam Harrison-Friday, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 16:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Rhymes like dimes is a freestyle - maybe best doom track ever
operation doomsday is the best doom album, though I have spent many evenings stoned out of my gourd or tripping and listening to gedorah and v vaughn. his word play is retardulous

― Fratz, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 17:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

can't wait for MM FOOD!!!!!!!

what's this about?

the Madvillian comes out today. i'll be at rasputins for lunch

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 17:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

I can't seem to find anyone else who I like remotely as much as Doom -- the V Vaughn album keeps sounding better and better. Who else (if anyone) is doing similar stuff?

― dlp9001, Tuesday, 23 March 2004 17:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

Count Bass D is a very, very, very similar artist. He actually has a song where Doom raps over a beat of his (called "Quite Buttery"). Count Bass D has a couple albums, the best one is Dwight Spitz, he's pretty damn dope.

"Smoke Ernie El's, drink Gin, last name, Baylor"

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 18:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Get the songs "Dro Grown" and "Aural Sects"

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 18:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

there's a new track making the rounds. i like it!

― fwiw (rockapads), Saturday, 17 January 2009 02:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

quasimotos 2nd album might appeal if you like doom. maybe edans primitive plus, too.

― uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 17 January 2009 09:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

new album is looking good from what ive heard so far... i hope hes producing the bulk of it.

― p-noid (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 2 February 2009 11:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

is there enough interest for an ANTICIPATING BORN LIKE THIS thread?

that's that is killing me. kinda like lynguistics by cunninlynguistics. the bass and guitar playing on it's so nuanced and sweet, almost african kinda.

― deveraux billings (schlump), Monday, 9 March 2009 04:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm playing the shit out of the Born Like This sampler. This is easily my most anticipated release for the near future

― BusDriverStu (Bus Driver Stu), Monday, 9 March 2009 11:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

i love the new album so far. sounds a bit diff to how he used to, not quite as playful, but still dope.

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 9 March 2009 12:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah that's that is great. I like the lack of autotune in the terrible singing bit at the end too

― wilter, Monday, 9 March 2009 22:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

i ADORE this album. it should be on everyones best of 2009 list.

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 16:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

when does this come out??

― straight up, you're payin' jacks just to hear me phase (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 16:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

RADIATED HUMANS EATING THE FLESH OF RADIATED HUMANS

― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 16:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah that's that is great. I like the lack of autotune in the terrible singing bit at the end too

that singing bit's like my favourite. not terrible at all.

is ghost only on one track on the lp? something i read a while ago made it sound like he'd thrown in some of the sessions they did, kinda abandoning the plans for a full record

― deveraux billings (schlump), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 17:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

DOPE

― carne asada, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 17:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

how are you guys hearing this?

― The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

― The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 20:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

has he used the 'rectal hysterectomy' line before?

― The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 21:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

that singing bit's like my favourite. not terrible at all.

ya I mean his singing voice is terrible but it fits nicely with the vibe of the whole thing.

― wilter, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 01:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

heh took a while to click that they're Doom samples in That's That.

― wilter, Friday, 13 March 2009 07:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

the thom yorke remix sounds better on paper.

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 13 March 2009 10:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

it sounds like a thom yorke remix. the four tet mixes put the vocals on a different bed of sounds but it still sounded good, this sounds a little jarring

― deveraux billings (schlump), Friday, 13 March 2009 12:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

it needs to be more minimal i think.

― Yellow Carded (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 13 March 2009 12:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

lool @ "Batty Boyz"

― Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 08:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeh wtf!??!??

― zappi, Monday, 16 March 2009 09:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

the raekwon joint is mad srs

― Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, 16 March 2009 09:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

Skipping 67 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Listening to "Batty-Boys" again, and I'm still really uncomfortable with it. I don't sense any wink or irony it it.

― display names have been changed to protect the innocent (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 April 2009 16:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Same...

― ilxor, Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

You know, I think the trick is to remember that he is a character. Doom is the SUPERVILLAIN.

And villains naturally would chill in their underground lairs making gay jokes about superheroes who where tights

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^money store

― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

My expectations were way too high for this album.. oh well. I still like it, but I thought he was capable of the OK Computer of hiphop... whatever that's supposed to mean..

― billstevejim, Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 4 April 2009 05:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol

― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 April 2009 06:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^money store

― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Saturday, April 4, 2009 5:55 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

not sure how i feel about this

― just DO THE STANKY HOOS plain and steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 4 April 2009 07:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

but i respect that u r making innovative moves

― just DO THE STANKY HOOS plain and steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 4 April 2009 07:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh shit, I can't believe I fucked that up, supposed to read "money house"

― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 April 2009 11:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

gettin my dollar stores and money houses mixed up :/

― sugjust blaze (The Reverend), Saturday, 4 April 2009 11:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

Vast Aire feat. Geechie Suede - The Dynamic Duo

― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Saturday, 4 April 2009 12:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

listening to Goodie Mob right now, and Khujo - as usual - is much more poisonous and offensive than doom ever was in homophobia. And he's not even funny!

― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

little confused by the Doom profile in the New Yorker this week. i mean, if you're gonna do something on Doom, why now? ok, so you can bitch about the current state of rap... but again, is Doom really the right stand in for the "Golden Era." very confusing.

i love Doom and the New Yorker but they should really stick to shit like this http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann?yrail

― Moreno, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 03:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

There are a couple funny parts though - Doom driving around LA (or being driven around by his driver who's named after the robot from Short Circuit) getting drunk instead of going to the studio and trying to write a rap about the chimp who killed his owner from the chimps perspective.

Also, excited to hear work's finally being done on another colab w/ Madlib.

― Moreno, Tuesday, 15 September 2009 15:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

Not a subscriber, so I only see an abstract at the moment. Sad, I'd like to read it.

― picked up the sneer-slack (sciolism), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 19:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

http://www.eyeweekly.com/music/live%20eye/article/84317--doom-kool-haus-feb-25

― Brio, Friday, 26 February 2010 17:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

I've had the "Rapp Snitch Knishes" beat in my head all day

― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

what ever happened to Mr. Fantastik?

― elephant rob, Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

doo doodoo
doo doodoo
dee deedlydeedly
deeedly doo doo deedly

― 404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 15 April 2010 17:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

xpost And does he rap under another alias? Needs to put out his own album.

& has anyone heard the Gigan EP? And did Hassan Chop record anything worth hearing after this?

― bamcquern, Thursday, 15 April 2010 17:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeh i got the EP on the strength of krazy world. it's excellent NY headbusting shit but not as singular as u might expect. he loses that out the side of the mouth flow coming aggie.

― neveragl story (zvookster), Thursday, 15 April 2010 19:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

holy moly. listening to the king geedorah album now. last track, 'the fine print' is great.

― cajunsunday, Sunday, 17 October 2010 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think king geedorah is my favourite mf

― sean gramophone, Sunday, 17 October 2010 22:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

doomsday is best but yeah geedorah & madvillain are both dope imo

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Sunday, 17 October 2010 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I should give that another listen. when it came out I was too burnt out on MF and thought there were too many tracks that were just Monster Island Czars and no Doom.

― dmr, Sunday, 17 October 2010 22:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

New album 'Keys To The Kuffs' is streaming here!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/aug/16/doom-key-to-the-kuffs?newsfeed=true

― all the worlds a stage and kitty's just stepped into the spotlight (cajunsunday), Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:16 (9 months ago) Permalink

Pretty sick stuff, "Winter Blues", live on Radio 4 of all places -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00xb9cj

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:24 (9 months ago) Permalink

Yeah I heard that. My brain couldn't really cope with Clive Anderson interviewing DOOM.

― all the worlds a stage and kitty's just stepped into the spotlight (cajunsunday), Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:26 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah it is kind of adorable, clive's voice makes me think of like the 50s or something - "and uh, mr presley you'll be singing something about blue shoes, is that right?"

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:29 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah that's lovely, the instrumentation especially. psyched to hear this, & the beth gibbons jam, though his flow's seemed kinda graceless for the last while.

― very sexual album (schlump), Thursday, 16 August 2012 17:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

i',m hoping this is better than his last release.

― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 August 2012 18:19 (9 months ago) Permalink

really not feelin this

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 16 August 2012 18:27 (9 months ago) Permalink

o well he has so much other great material

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 16 August 2012 18:27 (9 months ago) Permalink

i don't know, jneiro jntel has never impressed me (second rate prefuse / ammoncontact copyists?)

and it's hard to imagine doom flowing well over LA stoner spiritual jazz dude beats (ie the bellflower thing, not madlib)

― the late great, Thursday, 16 August 2012 21:20 (9 months ago) Permalink

it would be like doom over flying lotus or something. nuh uh.

― the late great, Thursday, 16 August 2012 21:20 (9 months ago) Permalink

BITE THE THONG

This is interesting. I kinda like it.

― heiswagger (rennavate), Thursday, 16 August 2012 22:36 (9 months ago) Permalink

no guts, no glory, what's your story?
bore me poorly, ??????
enough for coffee
rarely, scarcely, scary, glare-y, stare
let's be very clear, emcees is derriere
as well as aware, wearily
just don't be nearly near, you hear me?
YEEEEEAH

that's a ridiculous stretch. vintage doom

― heiswagger (rennavate), Thursday, 16 August 2012 22:48 (9 months ago) Permalink

is there any way in which Madlib is not "LA stoner spiritual jazz dude beats"?!

― Vagelis (The Reverend), Thursday, 16 August 2012 22:59 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah he's that but he's also like 10 other things

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:03 (9 months ago) Permalink

terrible kool-aid suppin' paragraph in a guardian profile

Doom's music has always been murky, his samples dusty from all those crates, his voice gruff, his raps torrential bursts of elliptical wordplay too dense and jerkily delivered to be described as "flow", but it's not as forbidding as the metal face suggests. People, he says, miss the humour in his work, and the delight in mischief-making. A couple of years ago, he allegedly sent "fake" Dooms to perform on his behalf at gigs. Even the hardcore faithful were incensed, when really it was an inspired device designed to subvert the notion of rap ego.

o i c

― very sexual album (schlump), Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:19 (9 months ago) Permalink

well poor word choice but i think it's much more slack than the beats on past mf doom and madlib things, less hectic, more stretched out than doom's herbs and spices or madlib's hectic beat collage

― the late great, Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:29 (9 months ago) Permalink

when really it was an inspired device designed to subvert the notion of rap ego.

no they were doombots you fuckspasm, the clue's in the name, and the mask, and the hood, and the album art, and the name

― ʘ (sic), Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:41 (9 months ago) Permalink

or he's just a lazy cunt

― ʘ (sic), Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:42 (9 months ago) Permalink

could be

― ʘ (sic), Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:42 (9 months ago) Permalink

Pretty sick stuff, "Winter Blues", live on Radio 4 of all places -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00xb9cj

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 August 2012 03:24 (6 hours ago)

ffs why make me load a player, then check a box saying I'm over 16, then make me choose whether or not to apply a parental lock to the website, then reload the page, make me REload it again, and THEN tell me the media is not available in my area?

YSI?

― ʘ (sic), Friday, 17 August 2012 00:12 (9 months ago) Permalink

it's on youtube

wait

― very sexual album (schlump), Friday, 17 August 2012 00:21 (9 months ago) Permalink

― very sexual album (schlump), Friday, 17 August 2012 00:22 (9 months ago) Permalink

― ʘ (sic), Friday, 17 August 2012 00:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah that's lovely, the instrumentation especially.

mm, Doom's flow gets v slack in his last part, but generally this sounds like a good thing for him to be doing at this stage of his life

― ʘ (sic), Friday, 17 August 2012 00:38 (9 months ago) Permalink

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