Hip Hop taken to new levels.

Your relevence to this thread's discussion is nonexistent.
Its like 5th grade again! Gang up on me and take my lunch money, please.

again, not sure those really answer the question per se but are worth checking out. the only example of #1 i can think of at the moment is the roots, "water" off phrenology, which i think is consciously an evocation of prog in a hip hop context.

#2 i don't know of any off the top of my head but i would love to hear this attempted. why not?

#4 try digging into non-western hip hop, you're certain to hear some more unusual flows that way.

Fine, but that's a very arguable position - not one you can "Bam!" as though revealing the Truth From On High. I'd argue that context limits the capacity for insight, and a fair number of people who think about reading/interpretation would tend to agree.

Ned I'm assuming he read the Ignition thread, but to discredit the example: if Kelly wrote songs that were as wretched as his behavior, that'd be different. When a writer adds something wretched to his body of work, it's fair to reevaluate that entire body of work and individual texts within it. Bam!

cue Momus's entrance

And for today, class, the word to spell correctly is 'relevance.'

Now please, say something relevant or shut up. :-)

James

So why when I argue this position am I met with comparisons to this Geir fellow? Who I felt like disembowling the moment I read his posts, incidently.

Ned I'm assuming he read the Ignition thread, but to discredit the example: if Kelly wrote songs that were as wretched as his behavior, that'd be different. When a writer adds something wretched to his body of work, it's fair to reevaluate that entire body of work and individual texts within it. Bam!

I didn't see that thread, but while I see yr point, I don't think that this is the case here. While Baraka may have become senile in his old age, and Blues People is not an airtight argument per se, it is one that deserves fair treatment. Judge it in the context of the WTC writing if you must, but keep in mind - different time, place, and completely different issue.
I can't think of a musical example to compare it to, but let me put it this way: No matter how offensive this poem may be, it doesn't change the continued relevence of the work he has done in the past.

ie. if you got something to say fukker say it cuz you ain't said shit yet
The irony!

And for today, class, the word to spell correctly is 'relevance.'

Yeah, this board needs an edit button. Blow me.

You have discovered the joy that is ddrake! Revel in his love for you, for without someone to demonize, he would not exist.

Precisely.

Because ddrake said so. (So okay, maybe entirely taking it back to him all the time isn't the best approach, but he likes the attention.)

Ooh, an actual argument.

"academic posturing..." as if I've learned this in college. No, its impossible that these are my OWN ideas and from experience, I have come to these conclusions? Please, my black history professor freshman year was on tenure, I learned shit in that class. Ha.

Someone needs to ban the prefix "psuedo."
Not bullshit. This is a serious argument I'm making, and I don't see why its necessary to belittle it with accusations of "psuedo-intellectualism." I wouldn't accuse INTENTIONAL race politics of coming into yr question, but rather culturally ingrained issues of race. I certainly wouldn't claim to be the all-knowledgeable god of hip hop, but man, discussing hip hop on ILM makes me want to hurl.

There's a difference between Sun Ra and Art Ensemble of Chicago and Anthony Braxton and Bill Evans (token white progressive dude) and ... Yes and Rush and Genesis. If you are looking for the Sun Ra/Art Ensemble/etc. artists, I'll tell you when I find some. Meanwhile, I'd like to point out that my initial comments were directed towards the assumed "progressivism" of using instrumental solos. How "trad" can you GET?! Frankly, yr number 4 I'd be very interested in seeing more of. Admittedly, my initial white comment was meant to provoke. It did. I am happy. yay!

Because ddrake said so.

It really is like being out on the playground again.
Cinniblount has yet to say anything relevent.
PS: didn't apply to Oberlin
PPS: Oberlin is a shitty school
PPPS: You suck.

dude, are you talking to me? Cause I wasn't arguing this at all.

You deny that possibility for the rest of us...

So argue with me about it rather than personally insulting a talking head on the internet.

ddrake has yet to respond to what anyone actually said (as opposed to what he'd like to pretend they said)

What?!

Dude what the fuck are you talking about? Have you been paying attention to what I've said at all?

Is this some sort of joke?

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1. My contention that "Extended songs, with long organic instrumental sections" were not in fact progressive and were in fact REgressive.

2. My intentionally provacative comment that this was a "white" perspective.