― Andrew L, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Momus, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
oooh, and I have no idea why this popped in my head, but check out
Henry Cowell. He's not at all the same, but he's really interesting
too. And Berg. But now we're really veering off track.
― Mickey Black Eyes, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― X. Y. Zedd, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
I'm more impressed with my classical mates who can decipher Ives's
oft-cryptic scores and make something beautiful out of it. It's
quite depressing, really, that when I put on Chopin or Berg or
Mozart, I realise how far modern pop music has to go in terms of the
depth of humanity that's possible. Sigh. (Not trying to bait
― Jeff, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Phil, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
this sounds great!! (and its not bcz I'd like a beating oh no!)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 13:45 (8 years ago) Permalink
Ives left the piece unfinished, but the melodies and overall structure were definitely there: the Larry Austin realization is the only one currently available. Starts in absolute silence, takes about two minutes to fade in. The clashing time signatures are introduced one at a time, some melodic lines circling around the baffling percussion parts. It builds louder and thicker for about twenty minutes before breaking apart into orchestral swells.
The recording on Centaur is the best and comes with a great version of the Second Orchestral Set.
Prefigures minimalism (the 'life pulse' section is loop-based and designed to be played as long as possible), incredibly abstract use of percussion parts (still largely unheard of before Varese/Cage), dives even further into microtonality than the fourth symphony.
Johnny Reinhard's version is due to be released soon; extends the 'life pulse' out, using the orchestral sections to bookend and punctuate extended 'life pulse' sequences. I've got a fantastic room recording of the premiere, and I'm counting the days until the CD comes out...
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:11 (8 years ago) Permalink
Favorite versions:MTT's versions of the Symphonies are very dependable and easy to find. My favorites are the Third, the Fourth and 'Holidays'.
'Holidays' Symphony -- hunt down the William Strickland on CRI (vinyl only)
Concord Sonata - John Kirkpatrick on Columbia (by a long shot -- also vinyl only -- what the hell is Sony waiting for?)
First Sonata - Herbert Henck on Wergo
'Music For Chorus' - Gregg Smith Singers on Columbia (fantastic LP of songs for chorus and the terrifying, beautiful Hymns -- still vinyl only)
the recent James Sinclair recordings on Naxos & Koch are great: wild and wooly.
favorite books on Ives remain the Cowells' biography, Vivian Perlis' 'Ives Remembered' and his own Memos.
Scott Mortensen's survey is frighteningly comprehensive and helpful: http://www.musicweb.uk.net/Ives/RR_Ten_Essential.htm
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 18:25 (8 years ago) Permalink
(I wz thinking of starting a thread called 'schoenberg and rap' after I read charles rosen's mini-bk on him last weekend but er...maybe later)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:18 (8 years ago) Permalink
Though I'm one of the (apparently) few big fans of Austin's "Universe" disc on Centaur, I think you'll like it too... Austin claims his realization is intended as a 100% Ives composition, which makes some people very angry. It sounds utterly different than any of his other pieces, and it doesn't quite trump the Fourth (the masterpiece), so some Ives fans were very disappointed. But I count the Centaur disc as one of my favorite Ives CDs.
There's a good article by Johnny Reinhard which touches on his upcoming realization here: http://www.stereosociety.com/body_jrpolymi.html
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:38 (8 years ago) Permalink
― milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 20:39 (8 years ago) Permalink
Watched the 4th on the BBC broadcast this evening => Loved it!
You can hear it here. The other pieces were by Sam Hayden (really fits in with Ives) and Bernstein's "The age of Anxiety".
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 21:46 (5 years ago) Permalink
^ = favorite recording
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 28 May 2009 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
we are eating space cakes and jamming symphony no 3 tonight. never heard it before
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 14 November 2011 04:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
missed "The Unanswered Question" being performed tonight. Why was it first on the program? Why not end with it? Circumstances for tardiness were ironic.
― sarahell, Friday, 5 October 2012 05:19 (7 months ago) Permalink