Bolt the door, Varg is loose!

This is sufficiently vague that I like to amuse myself by wondering what they were.

"You eat sausages made out of TOFU!"

*shriek* "JAIL HIM."

He's out soon, rite?

(Gosh, I had forgotten about all these crazy screencap poems I made last fall of BM dudes talking shit...sorry, guys)

roxy the five-panel one of Varg is actually one of the most affecting things I've ever seen online, I have to say! I mean, Varg's an asshole, and believes in a lot of shit I think is utter garbage, but as with a lot of extremist thought, there's a kernel here or there that's really resonant, and that bit - "who were the first churchburners? how much more destructive were they?" - really gets to me

Mid 2008, apparently. It will be fifteen years then...can't believe how quickly that went by (for me, not for him I guess).

Funny that in the current climate these then-headline-grabbing 'terrorist' events look really tame now. Plane crashes, exploding trains, flaming jeeps, live beheadings - the satanist movement has really been upstaged royally.

don't think your average joe even paid much attention at the time (outside of scandinavia, that is)

"who were the first churchburners? how much more destructive were they?"

Yes, but it's somewhat amusing that for all his glorification of chaos and destruction in the end he just complains that "the Christians did it before".

I think his philosophy is more of a "take the power back" one, not a "they did it first, so why not?" one. The dude is crazy, though. He believes aliens came to Earth and mated with Aryan women to produce a more perfect race!

And thanks, John, it had a similar effect on me when I watched the movie, that's why I started making them in the first place.

The dude is crazy, though. He believes aliens came to Earth and mated with Aryan women to produce a more perfect race!

No crazier than your typical Bible story.

there's a kernel here or there that's really resonant

more than a kernel, in my opinion. Christianity should be wiped off the face of the planet.

wai u hate santa : (

Here's true madness:

The Pope's Pears: The vaginal pear was used on woman who had sex with the Devil or his familiars. The rectal pear was used on passive male homosexuals and the oral pear was used on heretical preachers or lay persons found guilty of unorthodox practices. Inserted into the mouth, anus or vagina of the victim, the pear was expanded by use of the screw until the insides are ripped, stretched and mutilated, almost always causing death. The pointed ends of the 'leaves' were good for ripping the throat, intestines or cervix open.

Dude, you certainly don't have to convince me that Christians are crazy. What do you think attracted me to metal in the FIRST place?

I know! Jesus just riles me up. That's all.

Well Jesus was hardly running around sticking pears up peoples vaginas! Those Popes tho...they were trouble.

No crazier than your typical Bible story.

that's not really a defence.

Yeah, that's what you call a dubious honor.

that's not really a defence.

what is it you think i'm defending? varg's beliefs? i just don't think he any more or less crazy than a lot of people on the planet.

has he talked about his plans?

plans??

Well Jesus was hardly running around sticking pears up peoples vaginas!

Since he didn't exist, you gotta point.

(^Sheesh.)

I bet Ole Grishnach's gonna cool out for a long time when he gets out, but then he's going to do something completely out to lunch.

yet another dodgy electronic album?

I hear actually he's gonna bring back eski

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/0/06/300px-Varg-vikernes.jpg

Who ate all the pies?

kind of depressing apologetics for Varg in this thread.

seriously.

you're right, when you disagree with someone you must not, ever, discuss the content of their beliefs or allow that some points may be interesting, even if repellent.

I wonder what his parole conditions will be? Hopefully there'll be a clause about not being allowed to collaborate with Stephen O'Malley.

He has to work w/ David Stewart. And eno.

you're attributing too much to Varg's 'beliefs' here. it's not really interesting or compelling at all. i could very well throw a Jew on a cross and say 'they did it first, they deserved it'.

i have no problem discussing his philosophy, i just find it unfortunate that we're giving it some amount of credence when it's so obviously idiotic and heinous.

coupla xposts

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/allsacredplaces.jpg

OMG, he's like the lovechild of Elbow's Guy Garvey and iLiKETRAiNS' Dave Martin!

i have no problem discussing his philosophy, i just find it unfortunate that we're giving it some amount of credence when it's so obviously idiotic and heinous.

what understanding would come from discussing something that you think is obviously idiotic and heinous?

not to be a pedant but that's not what apologetics means

also, you're wrong

your analogy is also miraculously inapt also though if this were an imageboard "I could very well throw a Jew on a cross" would certainly reach legendary macro status

i'm still amazed at how different he looks in those before and after shots.

what a fucking dolt

varg seems to spend a lot of his time online fighting with christian nazis who hate paganism. hopefully they’ll manage to hurt each other somehow

there is an endless stream of astroturfed media bullshit about twitter moderation being too harsh on conservatives (basically nazis anyway) and dorsey clearly believes it himself the fuck

a friend of mine had a semi-popular left shitpost account and he got banned from twitter for being mean to a gen z nazi

A quick TP Quality Test:

Do you:

-vaccinate
-marry "someone that doesn't look like you"
-kneel to some false desert "god" (of ANY type)
-believe the Earth is flat
-think Nordic is NOT the ideal
-vote
-think 88 is BAD

If you answer "yes" to ANY ONE of these, you FAIL the test. pic.twitter.com/HH3ZwtX6GL

— Varg Vikernes (Thulêan Perspective) (@GandalftheWhi19) December 9, 2020

-prefer 'Juice' over 'Milk(y white)'.
-think history is NOT a lie
-call yourself "Aryan"
-want to BE the 'Juice' (= CI)
-think "Western" civilization is a good thing
-watch porn
-believe Judeo-Christians are our allies
-burn leaves in your back yard
-kill spiders in your home

— Varg Vikernes (Thulêan Perspective) (@GandalftheWhi19) December 9, 2020

-sleep around
-prefer school to home-schooling
-believe in patriarchy OR matriarchy
-think feminism is a good thing
-think MGTOWs are NOT absolute Losers
-eat only Vegan food
-have a "Carnivore" diet
-think the current pandemic is "made up"
-think China/Russia/USA is our friend

— Varg Vikernes (Thulêan Perspective) (@GandalftheWhi19) December 9, 2020

i guess i'm not up-to-speed with my hatespeech - what is 'juice'?

I was also confused by that one. I get the reference to milk, but I'm used to seeing fash cretins contrast it with soy, not juice.

literally everything in varg’s first list ultimately means jews right? tweet could be a fantastic teaching tool for breaking down how antisemitism functions in 2020 or 1933, there is so much in there

some of the others too but the fashy infighting material would have to be for a more advanced class

these fucks love their plausible deniability so I wouldn’t be surprised if the juice is a pun/code which also happens to be an innocent thing they can trigger the sjws with

I wouldn't be surprised if it all boils down to 'TEH JEWS' for him. I mean:

The face of rot, decay, hatred and degeneracy.

If you see him argue in favour of something, then you can be sure that it is something that will hurt )))Europe(((.

Boycott, oppose, undermine & talk up against him and his Satanic lot whenever and wherever you can.#Soros pic.twitter.com/gr24wuiZ8C

— Varg Vikernes (Thulêan Perspective) (@GandalftheWhi19) December 9, 2020

And yeah, I very much agree, re: 'a fantastic teaching tool for breaking down how antisemitism functions in 2020 or 1933'.

why post racist tweets by a known racist? what's the point?

yeah the only thing i could think of was juice = jews, but it didn't make much sense in context. but neither did the rest of the list so

it’s jews and milk is nordics/whites

treesh, if there's a thread for discussing these tweets, it's definitely this one. I hadn't realized that you can get away with quite *this* much obvious dog-whistling on Twitter.

it doesn't seem like dog whistling? he is a known white supremacist in addition to a murderer.

When I made a post a few weeks ago about a friend in mental health crisis posting Nazi shit, he was posting Burzum and Varg shit. He's Jewish. Still don't know what to do about it.

oh the discussion is about why he isn't banned. he probably just hasn't been flagged enough times yet.

I’m sure he has but there’s no harm in doing it more. twitter claims mass reporting doesn’t work but that’s an obvious lie

this person genuinely needs to *** immediately as do all his followers

fuck metal in general for providing these scum with safe spaces and excuses for so long

it doesn't seem like dog whistling?

Technically, replacing 'Jews' with 'Juice' (which I hadn't even picked up on at first) counts as dog-whistling in my book, at least for purposes of circumventing Twitter's rules.

I’m not sure how this dude has avoided being murdered

fuck metal in general for providing these scum with safe spaces and excuses for so long

― Left, Wednesday, December 16, 2020 5:30 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

agreed on one level but also metal isn't special here

true, see this nazi hippie in my town

https://cldc.org/weed-nazi-denied-access-to-anonymous-antifascist-website/

fuck metal in general for providing these scum with safe spaces and excuses for so long

how's that

Thought that first Varg tweet list was a parody account at first.

I guess I thought he was more subtly stupid/racist. Apparently swinging for the fences.

his twitter handle always gets me - you'd expect some reference to an ancient saga, something his fellow shitheads would recognize as reflecting the Old Ways or whatever, but no, he's racist Gandalf.

Gandalf the White, one of the series’s more heavy handed allegories for the Jewish guy Varg despises Christians for worshipping. I guess he just liked the sound of the white part

Let's not be disingenuous-- there's a serious problem with white supremacy in metal, more than in other genres, and no matter how hard some people here try to wave it off, it's worth discussing.

I don't think it should be waved off. The metal scene is home to more fash assholes than most other genres, no doubt about it.

metal also home to more dyed-in-the-wool antifa than most other genres too

it isn't too functionally dissimilar to punk except metal also has i suppose a space for those who aren't politically polarised

#bothsides

it's always funny when people say oh metal isn't unique in this when the rolling metal threads have another band milkshake duck themselves for being fash on a biweekly basis that doesn't seem to happen elsewhere

Of all the genres I listen to, metal is the only one where every time I come across a new band I like, I pray (to the loathsome Judeo-Christian God iirc) that its members aren’t neo-nazi edgelords, especially if it’s BM we’re talking about. I’m comfortable with drawing a distinction between assholes and their art at least 99% of the time (and this is a concern that greatly exceeds the metal sphere) but I strive to avoid purchasing fash-stained goods, especially if their makers are still alive and spewing their moronic bile on Twitter unchecked.

Btw Varg’s latest LP was quite mediocre.

who in metal is the antifa varg?

Barney Greenaway maybe?

Greenway sorry https://thequietus.com/articles/29091-napalm-death-interview-2

Metal BLM compilations are now a thing fwiw.

why isn't the racist stuff called white metal?

White masses are a no-no.

the blackness=darkness=evil thing is another whole can of worms tbh. it’s not completely unrelated

do we have to do #notallmetal every time with this? is there another thread for the good antifascist stuff?

who in metal is the antifa varg?

Barney Greenway — and indeed Napalm Death more broadly, since there's never been a story about one member disagreeing with the others on politics. (Their late guitarist Jesse Pintado was also a member of Resistant Culture, a Native American grind band whose albums Welcome to Reality and All One Struggle are excellent.)

do we have to do #notallmetal every time with this?

Yes.

He's against burning leaves?

what if you burn down a church but accidentally scorch some shrubbery?

Fuck you, imago

metal is my favorite genre and yet I have no trouble saying it has a major problem with racism/nazism/fascism/misogyny that I've basically had to spend almost the entirety of the time I've been listening to it fighting against this element.

yeah, liberal/antifa/BLM/progressive/good people metal is also a think and it exists, but I don't think we need to tiptoe around the fact that we have some real lowlifes in the genre. fans and bands both.

*thing

i also love metal and i don't listen to very much black metal, and i feel like i am more likely to find ppl who would punch nazis than ppl who would be nazis at things like maryland deathfest and etc. this is my experience of the genre. i'm not really trying to express "#notallmetal" here, all of this stuff deserves to be interrogated and the racists and fascists need to be rooted out and deplatformed, obviously. i'm sort of sorry i even said anything