― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 13:09 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:02 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:07 (9 years ago) Permalink
_Technique_ is wonderful and fantastic. I was dubious about "Run" for a long time, but even that song has now won me over. ("All The Way" has taken its place as the dubious track.)
"Guilty Partner" is possibly their most underrated song.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:10 (9 years ago) Permalink
I played the first Electronic album again recently. How MUCH better is it than anything they did subsequently? A couple of duff tracks but the rest are joyful AND triumphant.
*as per on any NO track generally
― Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:24 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:40 (9 years ago) Permalink
That Electronic album is pretty good. Maybe a bit overhyped at the time, though. Oddly enough, I just heard "Soviet" last week while watching a football news story at Martin's place. "Patience of a Saint" is a beauty and a half.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:42 (9 years ago) Permalink
― seanp (seanp), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 14:43 (9 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I think this album has ended up being underrated by people because of how meh the rest of Electronic's output has been.
With Technique, I think one of the things that makes it great is its consistency -- it seems very seamless and cohesive, something that just plays well as an album.
― Nicolars (Nicole), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 15:22 (9 years ago) Permalink
― David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:17 (9 years ago) Permalink
― David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 16:31 (9 years ago) Permalink
― David Merryweather (DavidM), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 18:13 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 20:10 (9 years ago) Permalink
The whole point of it for me is that it's a whole album. I adore the sweep of it. It's all of a piece. With grinning confidence it introduces itself in the hi-hats of the glorious 'this is where we all are' Fine Time, sets the emotional 'this is where we've come from' note with All The Way and then spins through five perfect whirls of sun-bleached pop, feet never hitting the floor. Is Vanishing Point a shining pinnacle or the comedown? Depends on whether I'm dancing, maybe. Either way, it's the brilliant heart of the album. Then Dream Attack comes along to shoot you through the heart again, an epilogue, the most beautiful of all mornings after.
― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 21 October 2003 22:17 (9 years ago) Permalink
― steve, Tuesday, 21 October 2003 23:03 (9 years ago) Permalink
It took a long time, but a few years ago I realized just how good "Run" really is.
― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 01:25 (9 years ago) Permalink
I don't know if I told you, but I'm seeking sanctuaryYou'll never guess the things that I doI'll have the devil round for teaDon't you know that I'm here beside youCan't you see that I can't relaxWhen I saw you in my rearviewYou could've stopped me in my tracks
I'll be there for you when you want me toI'll stand by your side like I always doIn the dead of night it'll be alright'Cos I'll be there for you when you want me to
You can take me to an island, ride across the stormy seaWe can worship pagan idols, there together you and meWhy don't you run over here and rescue me?You can drive down in your carWhy don't we both take a ride and turn that keyWe'll drive at 60 miles an hour
they are the most banal, senseless and cringy lyrics ever. in fact i think bernard is one of the worst lyricists of all time. at least other amateurs can do 'dumb' and sound cool, but this is sub-oasis. actually, the more i think about it, new order get far too much kudos. they're old, boring and earnest. fuck em.
― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 01:57 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 02:01 (9 years ago) Permalink
― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 02:04 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 02:07 (9 years ago) Permalink
― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 02:22 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 03:06 (9 years ago) Permalink
― steve, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 03:14 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 06:32 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Janne (Janne), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 06:58 (9 years ago) Permalink
The day before this record came out I had a very lucid dream that I was listening to it and it was the most fantastic thing I had ever heard. When I woke up I ran straight to the record shop to buy it and ran straight home again... and it WAS!
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 07:22 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:09 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:10 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:11 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:13 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:14 (9 years ago) Permalink
bernard butler's favourite album of all time too.
other thoughts : http?//ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=1086897
― piscesboy, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 12:17 (9 years ago) Permalink
Technique is a great album, no question. probably their best whole album, in fact. it's consistently good all the way through. as to complaints about Bernard's questionable lyrical ability, i've argued before that with NO, it' s the whole package moreso than individual components. admittedly some lyrics do make me cringe (i think it's a B-side from one of the "60 MPH" singles that contains the line "you keep me feeling fresh; we're driving down that highway" which always makes me think it belongs in a commercial for feminine hygiene products), but for the most part, i don't see how they're torn apart so often and with such abandon. i wouldn't say they're brilliant, but that doesn't mean they don't work a good portion of the time.
and although i'd argue that it's technical perfection, i wouldn't say Technique is my favourite, because Low-Life is. despite the sinful truncation of "The Perfect Kiss" and "Elegia" edits which are onboard. and probably mostly because of "Face Up," which never fails to amuse me. mmm, Bernard sounding psychotically gleeful. :)
― janni (janni), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 18:56 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Neil FC (Neil FC), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 21:40 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Keith Watson (kmw), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 21:45 (9 years ago) Permalink
Took me a while to get into 60 MPH, honestly. Liked Crystal and Rock The Shack better, poss. due to Bobby Gillespie on backing vocal.
No doubt Technique is class. Rates second for me, as there isn't a dud song in the bunch.
― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 22:17 (9 years ago) Permalink
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 22:45 (9 years ago) Permalink
MAYBE YOU CAN. Whenever I hit "The PErfect Kiss" or "Sub-Culture" on _Low-Life_, all I can think is "FOR FUCK'S SAKE WHY CAN'T THIS MAN CARRY A TUNE??????"
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 October 2003 02:20 (9 years ago) Permalink
but still.. one out of 60-75 aint bad.
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 23 October 2003 02:58 (9 years ago) Permalink
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 23 October 2003 03:09 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 23 October 2003 03:52 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Thursday, 23 October 2003 06:18 (9 years ago) Permalink
The Other Two wrote the theme for a TV drama called"Making Out" (on telly 88ish based aroudn the workers in a small Manchester electronics factory) featuring Keith Allen as the boss. The theme was expanded upon and became... was it Vanishing Point. anyone better able to remember the theme and able to tally Technique trax with titles?
― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 23 October 2003 10:44 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 23 October 2003 11:12 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Rob Wosley, Thursday, 23 October 2003 11:22 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 October 2003 12:18 (9 years ago) Permalink
I listened to what used to be side 2 of Technique yesterday, and it was very good but... I don't know. It is FUNNY and SAD at the same time. Back in the block party era I though Fine Time was great and everything else came a long way behind. I think I was right.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 23 October 2003 12:26 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Alan (Alan), Thursday, 23 October 2003 12:34 (9 years ago) Permalink
I'm finally starting to get Technique---"Fine Time" is a weird opener, I think, jagged & herky-jerky, not anthemic, not particularly melodic: it never brings me into the album. It would work fine as a side 2 track album (I don't mean on *this* album, I mean in terms of the album pacing I prefer). But if I kinda don't pay attention to that opening, "All The Way" gets things started just right.
But yeah, the first Electronic album is a classic, as are the remixes & b-sides.
― Euler, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
o_O I think "Fine Time" is ALL anthem and melody!
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe I'm too young
― Euler, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
much too young
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, October 28, 2011 3:17 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
Completely agree! And as a statement, it can't be beaten either.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Fine Time" is also a ridiculously great album starter, one element after another continually built up to create the full song -- it's notable that one of the most stereotypical New Order elements, Hook's bass, is the last thing to appear after everything else, almost like it's the sudden new anchor to the song that slams everything else back into an overall context.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
abs.
― Mark G, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's precisely right, re: Hook's bass on the track. The curious thing is that until it kicks in, I don't find myself missing it!
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
also "All the Way" is my least favorite song on the album by some distance; I generally skip it
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
haha yeah that's great. maybe what's going on is that I love NO firstly as a rock band & only secondly as a dance band? Both elements are there in all their best work, but "Fine Time" forefronts the dance side & "All The Way" forefronts the (folk) rock side.
― Euler, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's fair enough. When it comes to their 'dance' side, I think 'Fine Time' is one of their best... I definitely prefer it to stuff like 'Shellshock' and 'Confusion'!
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
I vividly recall unwrapping the Technique cassette and listening to the opening track on the drive home. It was stunning, thrilling, unexpected. Still my favorite album of all time. Electronic's debut is in my top 5. Rewound Tighten Up so many times I'm surprised the tape didn't break.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
Fine Time sampled nicely in this track.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
I had forgotten how effective the 1-2 closing punch of "Vanishing Point"/"Dream Attack" is; I actually almost never listen to this whole album front to back these days so playing the whole thing is a fresh experience all over again.
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
"All The Way" was for a long time my favorite song. I'd never heard a "confessional" song with a bass track so muscular.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
xxxpost:
Listening to Neil Tennant singing about driving his car 'bloody well' on 'The Patience Of A Saint' brought a smile to my face! Great electronic snare sound on that track as well.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'd like to put forward the opinion that if you removed Bernard Sumner's vocal from 'Guilty Partner', and got Martin Hannett to produce the backing track, you'd have the makings of a Joy Division track.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
but why on earth would you do that?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
because it would sound murky and forlorn and awesome?
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
("Guilty Partner" is one of my faves off of the album)
but it already sounds murky, forlorn, and awesome!
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
it sounds crisp, forlorn and awesome
― he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
well, it's my least favorite song: the chorus is meh. But that massive synth wash at the end (and more thrusting Hook bass).
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
'Guilty Partner' is one of my favourites from the album as well, the moments where the chorus kicks in are so powerful for me.
― Turrican, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm unsure about 'best band of all time'
They're in a toss-up with two other bands for me. Lean towards them, mostly.
― Spencer Chow, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah Guilty Partner was always my least fave track; sticks out too much. oddly enough i was present when they played it live for the first time ever! didn't like it any more after that though either.
― piscesx, Sunday, 30 October 2011 10:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
xpost
What are the two other bands?
― Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 30 October 2011 11:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
When my roommate first played this for me in high school, I absolutely hated it. I couldn't stand the synths and could barely get past the first track. It was only about twenty years later that I realized how unbelievable the songwriting is and that the balance between the synth stuff like Vanishing Point and Hooky acoustic songs like All the Way is just about perfect. My favorite LP of theirs by some distance.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 30 October 2011 14:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
I find a lot of New Order's charm stems from the fact that it orbits "best band of all time" almost entirely by accident, and certainly barely by design.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 30 October 2011 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah. Well put.
― tubby permacrocked whorefucker (Lostandfound), Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
My Bloody Valentine and Roxy Music (and sometimes also The Jesus and Mary Chain and Pulp)
― Spencer Chow, Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
crikey yeah Electronic wipes the floor with Republic or Brotherhood IMO.
oh hell no
― John Lennon, Sunday, 6 November 2011 01:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
"got plenty of love for Republic but anyway - "Some Distant Memory" is the true hidden gem on that first Electronic album (the oboe part!)"
was just going to say this; my favorite song on the album, beats several NO songs for me as well. I think the first Electronic album certainly beats Brotherhood/Republic/Get Ready/Sirens.
― akm, Sunday, 6 November 2011 18:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
I knew ILE was home when I discovered six years ago the "Some Distant Memory" love.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 November 2011 19:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
some distant memory is also a favorite of mine. the electronic album is the best thing sumner was ever involved in, in my opinion. absolute masterpiece.
― zingzing, Sunday, 1 January 2012 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
I found a sealed LP copy of Technique at an antique store last week!
― sleeve, Monday, 2 January 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
I played Technique on LP over the Christmas Break. It's still my favorite album.
RE: Electronic, did those who would be interested get the great Greg Wilson edit of Getting Away With It? it's 11mins long!
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 2 January 2012 17:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
never heard of that Greg Wilson edit, where can I hear it?
― I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 00:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 07:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
There's a .wav on Wilson's Soundcloud, along with extensive sleevenotes: http://soundcloud.com/gregwilson/electronic-getting-away-with
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 10:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
Friend of mine just got this vanity plate (Technique's catalogue #)
Bummed I didn't think of it first.
― Bout to go Jethro TULL on that ass (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:07 (7 months ago) Permalink
― zingzing, Sunday, January 1, 2012 6:30 PM (9 months ago)
Can't agree with the second and third sentences but otm x 1000 on the second.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:10 (7 months ago) Permalink
― Mark G, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
*the FIRST that is
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:02 (7 months ago) Permalink
Spotted a one-line mention in this months Mojo that New Order are about to go back into the studio to work on an "electronic" album. I assume the style, not the side project.
― michaellambert, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 23:30 (7 months ago) Permalink
Bernard has most of an album written with Stuart Price producing. Wonder if any of that will turn up on this as New Order rather than the solo project.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:27 (7 months ago) Permalink
why did my mind briefly think you'd said 'stuart murdoch' and actually start wondering what that would be like
― whining boom (electricsound), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:28 (7 months ago) Permalink
still have very distinct memories of buying this on cassette at a strip-mall record store in 1989.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:21 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
in los angeles IIRC
I remember buying this on cassette from the local indie shop and not even realising it was released. To this day I still don't know if I got it early.
And then I proceeded to play it at least once a day for months.
― Culture Cub (I am using your worlds), Thursday, 30 May 2013 01:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink