Music that is spookily ahead of its time

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When have you heard tracks and been shocked to find out how old they are? I remember this happening with Ananda Shankar's cover of Jumpin' Jack Flash and the Velvet Underground's Who Loves The Sun.

Nick, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Candido's "Thousand Finger Man", 1978? Now that amazed me, it sounded like it could have come from anytime in the last 10 years. Ditto for Herbie Hancock's 'Sextant' (1973?), sounds like the Aphex Twin

dave q, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

damn, i was going to say Thousand Fingured Man!

gareth, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

60s synth/moog records that aren't either the jaunty JJ Perrey style (a lot of which has dated v badly) or the Walter Carlos style classicism. Listened to Morton Subotnick's 'The Wild Bull' the other day, as good example. Also some 70s/early 80s synth stuff hasn't dated, e.g. Klaus Schulze 'Trancefer'.

It's been said before, but surely these records aren't *ahead* of their time, just most people are behind theirs?

m jemmeson, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's been said before, but surely these records aren't *ahead* of their time, just most people are behind theirs?

doesn't this imply a notion of unilinear progress?

gareth, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

errr...

ok, maybe the 'behind time' bit is wrong - i'd have to look up who said it originally, but i'd definitely defend the idea that records (or anything creatively produced) can be 'ahead' of their time, when surely they're a product of their time?

m jemmeson, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ok, should have been a negative somewhere in that sentence - i'd defend the idea that records CAN'T be 'ahead of their time'

m jemmeson, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Large chunks of Brian Eno's "Here Come The Warm Jets" sounds very early 90s to me. Any Les Paul & Mary Ford material from the early 50s just sounds like it *can't possibly be* from the early 50s.

In the Eno case, we're possibly just talking about instrumental textures which became easy to attain and rather fashionable 15 years later, but with Les'n'Mary, they were overdubbing and messing with tape-speeds much like the electronic composers of the period, but like (I suspect) few others in (lightly jazzy) pop. Psychedelia in glorious mono, and at 78rpm.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Treacherous 3's "The New Rap Language." Heard it on the radio 5 or 6 years ago and then found out it was released in 1981, which completely blew me away. Most of the rapping I've heard from that era is very weak and formulaic (think Kurtis Blow, Sugarhill Gang) with the sing-song stress on the same syllables, but Kool Moe Dee, Sunshine, Special K and Spoony G (who guests) were working without a blueprint, very fast & rhythmic & throwing in accents in odd places.

Mark, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The 'Soothing Sounds For Baby' series that Raymond Scott made in the late 1950s again sounds like the Aphex Twin or some other electronic whizz-kid.

Andrew L, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ESG! ESG! ESG!

fritz, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

LIQUID LIQUID! LIQUID LIQUID!

Andrew L, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Rammellzee vs. K-Rob! Rammellzee vs. K-Rob!

fritz, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Vivian Goldman's Dirty Laundrette/Private Armies 12" single.

Tom Lewis, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The full introduction to Visage's "Fade to Grey," which is another Aphex forebear, yup.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think all we're finding out here is that the Aphex Twin is very behind the times.

Nick, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

When I first heard Pere Ubu in the early 90's, I was shocked to discover that most of what I heard had actually been recorded some 20 years earlier.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But Dan, was that because you were unfamiliar with the concept of recorded sound?

Nick, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

A lot of Cluster's stuff, particularly After the Heat (w/Eno).

Joe, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, actually.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Leftfields Rhythm and Stealth still sounds absolutely dead on, after what? 7 years? Screamadelica still sounds spot on also. But the last word on this goes to Spiritualized-Ladies and Gentlemen We are Floating in Space. That combines everything I like about almost every genre of music from the last 20 years in one album. Forget Thom Yorke, Jason Pierce is the genius of this generation. And the best part is, they're back.

Ronan Fitzgerald, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i'm not convinced Screamadelica sounded ahead of its time. i actually think it was dated on release, they didn't reflect the times at that point. perhaps it is only with distance that the retroisms of screamadelica have become more apparent.

Note: i like screamadelica, i just don't see it as ahead, or even of ist time

gareth, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Can's "Soon Over Babaluma" Manuel Gottsching's (sp? can't be arsed to look it up.) "E2-E4"

jess, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i'll second k-rob vs. rammelzee, beat-bop sounds like it's from 1993ish at the very least.

ethan, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yep :

I go with Herbie Hancock's Raindance from Sextant. Play that to people and then go ... that was 1973 they just won't believe it.

Raymond Scott's Soothing Sounds are fantastic. Though they don't sound like they would be made now or any other time either.

phil, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

We're Only In It for the Money = Pure Guava, 25 years ahead of schedule.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

When have you heard tracks and been shocked to find out how old they are?

At school, and throughout my childhood, I'd hear and sing songs that I assumed formed a part of our heritage as a species. Old, battered folk-songs handed down to us from our ancestry. Then they ALL turned out to have come from The Beatles...

Kodanshi, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I haven't read the thread at all, but someone must have mentioned Neu! by now, surely.

Venga, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gareth's spot on about Screamadelica. It sounded dated at the time and it sounds even more so now. It's still enjoyable in places though.

The Neu thing is a bit odd. I wouldn't argue that they sounded particularly ahead of their time, but that their antecendents (ie Stereolab) sound like Neu were influenced by them, rather than vice versa. To my ears Neu do sound much more modern than Stereolab, but no more contemporary than you'd expect.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'unanswered question' by Charles Ives, sounds like a 1990s ambient record, which is prescient because it was composed nearer to the 1890s, a weird little industrial record by Maurizio Bianchi made in late 70s with a really strange title scarily reminds you of recent Autechre

Anas FK, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

fifty foot hose sounded ahead of their time when i heard them 30 years later, but then they went and reformed, bad idea.

keith, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The first two Mahavishnu Orchestra records. Sure, it's sure over-the- top fusion, which is quintessentially early 70s, but the some of the actual stuff going on is pretty unbelievable (especially on Billy Cobham's end of things). I can't think of much later fusion stuff that was as uniformly intense and anarchic.

On the 'Lost Trident Sessions' album that was released a couple of years ago, they do this fast syncopated funk section that sounds exactly like what musicians to do imitate drum n' bass now, except it was in 1973.

Jordan, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Silver Apples and Terry Riley, of course.

Some Buddy Holly recordings sound a few years ahead of their time. His version of 'Slippin and Slidin' could be 1966 Who. Parts of Skip Spence's Oar sound spookily like 90s lo-fi.

Curt, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I really disagree about Screamadelica, with two of you now! Higher than the Sun could be released today and still sound as good. Admittedly a few tracks didn't age well but the majority still sound superb. The fact that its from an era that should now be becoming untrendy is also worth noting. I'm sure we're not going to agree on this though........

Ronan Fitzgerald, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't think Screamadelica was or is particularly dated. That whole dub-house fusion thing actually took off in a major way after it came out, with Orb reaching their peak in '92 and prog house becoming popular around the same time (a lot of Leftism actually sounds eerily similar). Expecting them to sound like LFO or T99 is a tad unfair - they were primarily a rock band, after all.

My nominations for now: Talk Talk's Spirit Of Eden, Madonna's "Secret Garden"

Tim, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Strokes. heh!

nathalie, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dammit nathalie I was gonna say that.

Hm. The 'Dr Who' theme tune.

DavidM, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'll have to concur re: Cluster, and add that Neu! and Harmonia (admittedly all I have is 'Musik von Harmonia,' but damn is it incredible) both sound very VERY much ahead of their time. A LOT of it, though, I think has to do with Conny Plank's production, which floors me.

Clarke B., Monday, 27 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four years pass...
Aphex blows everyone away listed here. As it stands now ( and for the past 15 years..No one can touch him. He is simply unparalleled.

Bowie, Sunday, 7 May 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

the first song on conrad schnitzler's gruen (1974) sounds verrverry like some early autechre or skam label bullshit to me.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 7 May 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Cybotron - Clear

ratty, Sunday, 7 May 2006 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

The Modern Lovers first album made me do a real double take after growing up listening to the Violent Femmes... to think that some of the tracks were apaprently laid down as early as 1972...

Rombald, Sunday, 7 May 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Raymond Scott for definite. And the Delia Derbyshire stuff up to and including The White Noise. Also The United States Of America.

Ach, I know it sounds retro-futuristic now, but wtf.

boney (b0n3y), Sunday, 7 May 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

nine years pass...

Lifetones - Good Side [Dub/New Wave/Psychedelic Pop](1983)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdLk9YIfbm0

I could tell you this was released in 2016 and you would believe it.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 5 February 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link

Solo project from This Heat's vocalist/guitarist who also sounded ahead of their time.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 5 February 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link

Listen to the Reece bass and the drum sound on Ralph Lundsten's 'Horrorscope' (1979).

https://youtu.be/WACqp1iXkGY

Noel Emits, Friday, 5 February 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link

Some remixes of Aksuk Maboul's 'Saure Gurke' around but here's the original from 1977.

https://youtu.be/bLW2zPUawS4

Noel Emits, Friday, 5 February 2016 19:24 (eight years ago) link

Also this:
Mariah - Shinzo No Tobira (1983)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRgLhEGEetc

Don't really know what genre to put this in... Japanese New Wave? Sounds like Grimes - Genesis.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 5 February 2016 19:26 (eight years ago) link

Those are some good suggestions!

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 5 February 2016 19:26 (eight years ago) link

Also mentioned upthread but Raymond Scott's Cindy Electronium is mindblowing for a 50's track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SHJ6CcML80

what is this sorcery!?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 5 February 2016 19:32 (eight years ago) link

holy shit at "das licht" that's incredible

get a long, little doggy (m bison), Saturday, 6 February 2016 20:49 (eight years ago) link

citing early electronic stuff is almost too easy, but nevertheless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jetzY-W78gg

lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 6 February 2016 20:59 (eight years ago) link

Whoa! that Beethoven incidental ragtime moment is very underrated! I had never heard about it and it's very impressive.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link

This slice of 60s texan psych sounds to me like wire and a whole kind of herky-jerky 'new wave' rhythm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwzTSX6e4jU

Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:26 (eight years ago) link

I was just searching thru Delia Derbyshire too, trying to find something that actually sounded modern rather than soundtrack music to scary '50s/'60s movies. Maybe this one from 1965:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jetzY-W78gg

Lee626, Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:36 (eight years ago) link

Oh oops, you already posted that

Lee626, Saturday, 6 February 2016 21:38 (eight years ago) link

ok, how about Tom Dissevelt from 1957?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW-n6GWFAvI

Lee626, Saturday, 6 February 2016 22:14 (eight years ago) link

great revive idd, with all the discussion on youtube embeds in rolling threads and spotify lists... well, clearly a thread like this benefits from the vast archive youtube has become

10 Ragas to a Disco Beat is the only thing that comes to my mind, even though it's widely known I'll go ahead and embed because it's still fantastic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4RYBpwV0A

niels, Saturday, 6 February 2016 22:23 (eight years ago) link

Leiyla Visitations by Halim El-Dabh are from 1959. As an example is Visitation 4 (mp3 link here) which when played to an uninformed subject resulted in suggestions of early 80s industrial, maybe Bianchi or Lustmord.

Sushi and the Banchan (Spectrist), Saturday, 6 February 2016 22:37 (eight years ago) link

"zizwih" and "theme from noah" are perhaps more immediately accessible and comprehensible in terms of later musical forms, but i'd say delia's best works are "blue veils and golden sands" and "the delian mode". ("tutankhamun's egypt" is also highly underrated.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyUkmxy5VMI

diana krallice (rushomancy), Saturday, 6 February 2016 23:17 (eight years ago) link

those and "Love Without Sound" (with White Noise)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6pTdzt7BiI

Lee626, Sunday, 7 February 2016 00:03 (eight years ago) link

I was gonna post Beethoven piano sonata 32 but someone beat me to it

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 7 February 2016 01:33 (eight years ago) link

T. Rex's tracks "Monolith" and "Mambo Sun" both have a hazy sound around a loopish back beat that to me doesn't sound all that unlike some triphop from the 90s.

earlnash, Sunday, 7 February 2016 02:35 (eight years ago) link

MX-80 Sound invent Slint in 1981:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWEQL1cQ7o

めんどくさかった (Matt #2), Sunday, 7 February 2016 02:51 (eight years ago) link

1978

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wDnFbcocfE

clouds, Sunday, 7 February 2016 02:58 (eight years ago) link

Manuel Gottsching's "Quiet Nervousness" and Rammellzee's "Beat Bop," both mentioned at least once upthread. And "Number 33," Jan & Lorraine (1969), which sounds like some weird post-punk B-side from 1981.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DF2ns-u8U8

clemenza, Sunday, 7 February 2016 03:26 (eight years ago) link

Would The Millennium's Prelude be considered ahead of it's time or merely the sort of thing that would get sampled in the future?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09QgHBEs6l0

MarkoP, Sunday, 7 February 2016 05:16 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9wSWuxZp4

If you ignore the Ravel melody, Kebekelektrik's "Bolero" (from 1977) sounds like minimal techno from the 00s.

Tuomas, Sunday, 7 February 2016 08:16 (eight years ago) link

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✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 7 February 2016 10:05 (eight years ago) link

Doxa Sinistra - The Other Stranger. Wonky 606 + 303 beat from 1985.

https://youtu.be/vT6YCUSX930

Mind you, Eurythmics - Monkey Monkey is from 1982.

https://youtu.be/m6zhSXSiOpg

Noel Emits, Sunday, 7 February 2016 10:24 (eight years ago) link

Some great showings for Delia but 'The Dreams' (1964) with Barry Burmange deserves a mention for being teh awesome.

https://youtu.be/WCF_mHKBH3k

Noel Emits, Sunday, 7 February 2016 10:29 (eight years ago) link

Simply Saucer - Mole Machine (1974).

https://youtu.be/G7k94-HJO5k

Noel Emits, Sunday, 7 February 2016 10:32 (eight years ago) link

blast- damned flame (1973)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llaDswZVdLY

diana krallice (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 February 2016 11:55 (eight years ago) link

> Also CAN - MUSHROOM
> The first time I heard it I thought it was an indie band from the 90's.

the mary chain were covering it in '86

koogs, Sunday, 7 February 2016 14:38 (eight years ago) link

This kind of thing is catnip for me.

Never knew whether to think this song was ahead of its time, or just completely out of time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJtvFWc7FDE

Soundslike, Sunday, 7 February 2016 18:43 (eight years ago) link

Love the lyric "In 1980, we seem so crazy". . . yes, indeed, even for that generally crazy fecund year of exploration and try-anything.

Soundslike, Sunday, 7 February 2016 18:44 (eight years ago) link

Anne Joyal - Eveil (1976)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmxGNZ3MBh8

add some more reverb and this could almost be an outtake from the Cocteau Twins' Victorialand

small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Sunday, 7 February 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link

Wow, that Anne Joyal track is gorgeous.

Brigitte Fontaine & Areski Belkacem - "Patriarcat" (1977)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-oyVndrmfw

Robotic feminist synth funk, well ahead of its time

J. Sam, Sunday, 7 February 2016 19:25 (eight years ago) link

And I always thought this Siouxsie track held a heavy influence on early-2000s to now types of electropop (could have readily been covered by Adult or The Knife, etc.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfCfc0TqN_c

And yeah, that Fontaine/Areski track is a standout.

A couple classics for interpolation/sampling in a more or less "pop" context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2_1Jfgo4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAu1wBYuCJQ

Soundslike, Sunday, 7 February 2016 19:47 (eight years ago) link

That Anne Joyal needs a reissue--seems like maybe something Lion or Drag City could pick up, or Light in the Attic.

Soundslike, Sunday, 7 February 2016 19:51 (eight years ago) link

The Fontaine/Areski track pairs in my mind with the Emmanuelle Parrenin track "Topaze," which sounds nothing like the rest of the album it's from either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLeAqReD2XI

Soundslike, Sunday, 7 February 2016 19:57 (eight years ago) link

I posted this to the other thread, but it fits here too... Some Finnish IDM from 1968:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktPopMt6Zh0

Tuomas, Thursday, 11 February 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

i had never seen this IHOP commercial until today.

http://goodness.greatergood.com/ihop-ad-1969/

scott seward, Sunday, 6 March 2016 00:08 (eight years ago) link

that is some next level stuff.

scott seward, Sunday, 6 March 2016 00:09 (eight years ago) link

Okay so this isn't that far ahead in time, but I've often wondered what inspired Kid Rock to use autotune for Only God Knows Why given that Cher's Believe wouldn't be released till several months after this album. Was he just trying to go for Peter Frampton type sound? Is this even using autotune?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DQup4hd1_o

MarkoP, Sunday, 6 March 2016 03:42 (eight years ago) link

I'm gonna have that weird IHOP song stuck I'm my head all day now.

draxx them sklounst (dog latin), Sunday, 6 March 2016 11:38 (eight years ago) link

Not kidding-- but I actually think "Cotton Eyed Joe" by Rednex was ahead of its time, and would have been an even more massive hit now.

Poliopolice, Sunday, 6 March 2016 15:34 (eight years ago) link

But Rednex didn't even start the "country + Eurodance" mini fad of the mid-90s! The Grid was the first, and 2 Cowboys' Everybody Gonfi Gon preceded "Cotton Eye Joe" too. Rednex were just following a trend.

Tuomas, Sunday, 6 March 2016 15:40 (eight years ago) link

I don't agree that it sounds ahead of its time but eurodans+country should definitely make a slight modern comeback.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 6 March 2016 17:47 (eight years ago) link

I think "Timber" kinda filled that gap

los blue jeans, Monday, 7 March 2016 00:00 (eight years ago) link

What's that late 70s/early 80s disco record that sounds like microhouse

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 7 March 2016 00:02 (eight years ago) link

Kikrokos - life is a jungle? (6 min in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x0d8nJlEnw

los blue jeans, Monday, 7 March 2016 02:03 (eight years ago) link

it's funny how so many commenters on that IHOP commercial insist that it sounds weirder than they remember and that there must be something wrong with the playback, as if they're not willing to admit that they were exposed to such crazy shit when they were growing up. imho it sounds very much of its time (in a goofy Raymond Scott/Perry-Kingsley vein) but it would fit right in on a Focus Group album

small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Monday, 7 March 2016 02:15 (eight years ago) link

Holger Hiller's sampling experiments predate glitch pop by a solid decade. As Is (my fave of his) still sounds visionary, it could've been issued by Morr Music in the early aughts and nobody would have blinked

cock chirea, Monday, 7 March 2016 02:24 (eight years ago) link

This angry calypso/jazz/punk number from Harry Belafonte in 'Odds Against Tomorrow' (1959)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFd3u8mCb_U

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Monday, 7 March 2016 07:24 (eight years ago) link

Sorry, that's the wrong clip, and can't find the right one.

like Uber, but for underpants (James Morrison), Monday, 7 March 2016 08:21 (eight years ago) link

This Mannfred Mann song is the title track from their 1966 EP where it already sounded futuristic. But theremin band Lothar and the Hand People took it to a new level two years later - From the clashing machinery keeping the beat to the detached deadpan vocals to the dissonant guitars and synths, this could easily have been the work of Gary Numan or any of his early-80s new-wave synth pop disciples, or even current-millenium acts like, say, Modest Mouse. But this was released way back in 1968!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDUFaRiUwsk

Lee626, Monday, 7 March 2016 11:54 (eight years ago) link

oh wow, I get a big Albert Marceour/Zolo vibe from that

frogbs, Monday, 7 March 2016 14:17 (eight years ago) link


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