Helmet /Page Hamilton : Classic Or Dud, Search & Destroy.

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Apologies if theres a previous thread but I can't find one in the search.
Been a fan of Page Hamilton since the Band Of Susans. Meantime is one of my all time favorite albums. What I can't understand is people saying what an influence they were on nu-metal. I can't hear anything in that at all.
And what has happened to his new band Ghandi?

Crossbow, Sunday, 31 August 2003 14:03 (10 years ago) Permalink

Helmet!! Word. One of the best guitar sounds ever mother fuckers! I really enjoy Meantime, Betty, and Aftertaste all pretty good. I think Meantime and Sepultura's Choas AD had a huge influence on later '90's metal too. That doesn't mean that they aren't great fucking albums either mother fuckers! Fuck!

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Sunday, 31 August 2003 20:16 (10 years ago) Permalink

all i ever heard about the guy was how he was a phd but most of the music seemed pretty brainless.

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 31 August 2003 22:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

I loved Helmet back in the day. Hamilton came up with some cool riffs. I was pretty solidly moving away from metallic type sounds in my listening around this time, but I still really liked these guys. I thought the first album on AmRep was pretty cool, but Meantime totally blew it away. I hadn't listened to it in years but someone played it at a bar a couple of months ago, and it still sounded great.

I think their particular approach flamed out pretty quickly, though. Betty just seemed like going through the motions, and I never heard anything after that. I wish they could have found a way to liven or broaden their sound somewhat. For all the lip service Page Hamilton paid to guys like Ornette Coleman, or how into "jazz" he always claimed to be, you sure couldn't hear it in the music.

There are definite affinities between the music of Helmet and some of the nu-metallers. What little I've heard of the Deftones struck me as kind of a Helmet redux. I actually just auditioned Betty a few weeks ago, because I've been going through a cd purge (it didn't make the cut); I listened with the nu-metal guys in mind, as I've heard the idea of a linkage advanced before. But who can say how much of that is a direct borrowing/whatever? Most of the formal elements in Helmet's music had long been present in the metal vocabulary. The churning, repetitive chord-based riffs of AC/DC; the fussy time signatures and jerky rhythms of something like King Crimson's Red. Sometimes their occasional use of space even recalled Pink Flag-era Wire.

I once saw 'em in like 1991 opening up for the Melvins in a little shithole performance space that was only around for a couple years. It was a great show. Helmet's sound completely filled the room; it was like swimming in sound waves. LOUD AS FUCK.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 31 August 2003 22:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

Search "Sinatra" off Strap it On & most of Meantime. Betty seemed to me like a move away from the simple and v. effective formula of the first two (i.e. songs based around bludgeoning, repetitive intensity), and I liked it less. Never heard Aftertaste.

I can see a link to nu-metal in that Helmet was one of the first bands to get significant airplay blending many of nu-metal's signature elements, though they lacked nu-metal's hip-hop stylings and angsty lyrics.

Jeremy (Jeremy), Sunday, 31 August 2003 23:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

_strap it on_ is still a classic. i was introduced to it by a friend who put it up to the top volume on his crappy little 2 speaker car stereo. the 2-inch speakers were pushin' hard. must be listened to loudest.

_meantime_ really, really bores me.

your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 1 September 2003 00:20 (10 years ago) Permalink

I was imagining a thread like this the other day. I owned Betty several years ago, and had to re-buy it because it never left me. Milktoast is so classic when it goes into overdrive. The only song on Aftertaste that left much impression on me was Crisis King, so yeah, search that.

Damian (Damian), Monday, 1 September 2003 02:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

I love Strap It On
When I was playing Unsung, some one asked me what Sabbath record is this on.

brg30 (brg30), Monday, 1 September 2003 17:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

And that person was mental? I used to get so pissed off when people would say Page sounded like Ozzy. He sounds like Ozzy if you NEVER LISTEN TO OZZY. Ahem... So yeah, great band!

Bryan (Bryan), Monday, 1 September 2003 18:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

The one good thing I can say about Helmet is that they brought Caspar Brotzmann Massaker on tour with 'em, and I got to see that show at the Stone Pony in Asbury Park NJ on my birthday.

Never liked their music much, though the song "In The Meantime" was okay.

unperson, Monday, 1 September 2003 20:54 (10 years ago) Permalink

[...] Sepultura's Chaos AD had a huge influence on later '90's metal too

That's the other way round, surely? Chaos AD was perceived as their sellout/bandwagonjumping album because they moved to the US and adopted the sound/songwriting that was popular in the US at the time (Biohazard/Pantera et al). A typical "me too" album, so to say...

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 1 September 2003 21:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

SEARCH: "Biscuits for Smut" on Betty, the live version of "Turned Out" on the Jabberjaw benefit album, Paige playing with Band of Susans

DESTROY: Paige playing for Bowie.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 1 September 2003 21:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

Siegbran pretty OTM, that was their first major label album in the States too, I seem to recall. Mm, now I'm thinking of Nailbomb...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 September 2003 21:43 (10 years ago) Permalink

the first nailbomb album is better than anything sepultura ever did.

sean marvin (williamtell), Monday, 1 September 2003 22:27 (10 years ago) Permalink

Fudge Tunnel albums are better than anything Sepultura ever did.

Dan J, Monday, 1 September 2003 22:32 (10 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...
New Helmet Line Up and Album

I've seen it around on slsk and wasn't sure if it was a rarities album but i found the above article.
So has anyone heard it?

Beaker, Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

Search: "Impressionable" from that AmRep series.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hmm. "Meantime" is one of absolute favorite discs, and "Betty" had some great songs, but "Aftertaste" was deeply troubling. This makes me nervous. Terrible title, and the lineup of ex-Bush, White Zombie, Anthrax people makes me suspicious.

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

I liked Helmet until I saw them and got a combat boot in the eye from a crowdsurfer. Not that I hold the band responsible, but it tainted my opinion nonetheless.

When the show was over, I slipped on a patch of ice outside and landed right on my ass.

I hope this record sucks and sells peanuts.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Listening now to Monochrome. I'm still mad about the events that transpired the one time I saw them live, but that's my own baggage—not Hamilton's.

Anyway yeah, listening to Monochrome. Not having heard anything since Betty, I'm sort of thrown by how shredded his voice sounds now.

Oh wait, the title track sounds like King's X. WTF?!

I'm not sure I want to finish this.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 17 June 2006 05:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

Helmet pretty much only has two songs, the fast one and the slow one, but both sound pretty good. I think Meantime is one of the best sounding guitar albums of that time, the guitars and drums are huge. Criminy it was recorded by Albini and Wharton Tiers then mixed by Andy Wallace, those three guys (and Butch Vig) are pretty much the rock production sound of the early 90s.

Helmet just didn't seem to be able to come up with enough good tunes after that one. Betty would about make a good EP.

I would have liked to seen them live back then, but never got around to seeing them play.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 17 June 2006 05:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

Classic. For that guitar sound on Meantime and Betty if nothin' else.

Orange Pimp (Orange Pimp), Saturday, 17 June 2006 06:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

don't forget that awesome drum sound. and their awesome drummer. who's name i never remember. betty really was such a bummer. oh well. can't win them all.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 17 June 2006 09:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

Page hates the kids!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to decide what part of that interview irritates me the most. (Besides, Joan Jett is on the bill, someone should interview her instead!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 June 2006 12:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

he kind of kills his bid for cred with this: Last year, he produced Distort Yourself, the debut by former Bush frontman Gavin Rossdale's new band, Institute.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 17 June 2006 13:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

dude, that's free money. i don't blame him for taking that gig. or the hardcore dudes who joined the bush dude's idiot band. even albini takes idiot money.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 17 June 2006 13:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's amazing that in this day and age people still equate "sellout" with someone taking a side gig to pay the bills.

Page Hamilton has one thing to prove: "can he make another good record?"

Because that hasn't happened since Meantime.

He does have a right to be a grumpy old man. Garbage like Candlebox stole his gimmick and trademark riffs and hit platinum with them. And becuase they did, they got dated quick.

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Saturday, 17 June 2006 19:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

Candlebox?!

Not once have I ever heard a Candlebox song on the radio and thought "hmm, is this Helmet?"

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 17 June 2006 20:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

I read that as "Garbage, like Candlebox" and was even more confused.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Saturday, 17 June 2006 21:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

Garbage like Candlebox stole his gimmick and trademark riffs...

Dunno about that, but Page stole it from Prong in the first place, so it's all relative.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 17 June 2006 21:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

Garbage!?!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 June 2006 21:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

what do Garbage or Candlebox have to do with Helmet?

anyway...strap it on and meantime are classic.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 June 2006 21:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

of fuck i am stoopid

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 June 2006 21:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

latebloomer: of fuck I am stupid
;)

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Saturday, 17 June 2006 21:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

Weren't Candlebox more like a shittier Pearl Jam? I've thankfully pretty much forgotten exactly what they sounded like.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Saturday, 17 June 2006 21:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

of shit ma i so embrassed!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 June 2006 21:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

Similar Artists* Silverchair* Sponge* Stone Temple Pilots* Mother Love Bone* Jerry Cantrell* Rocket Science* Better Than Ezra* Wool* Veruca Salt* Hole* Bush* Mad Season* Seven Mary Three* Creed* Blind Melon

Bwahahahaha

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Saturday, 17 June 2006 21:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

Prong did not do the odd time sigs or make their living playing in Drop-D tunings. Other than the fact that both bands came out of NYC and put out records on major labels, there wasn't much in common.

Candlebox's breakout hit had a hook that ripped off "In The Meantime."

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Sunday, 18 June 2006 00:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

Prong did not do the odd time sigs or make their living playing in Drop-D tunings.

Um, you've heard Prong, right?

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Sunday, 18 June 2006 00:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

Candlebox's breakout hit had a hook that ripped off "In The Meantime."

it's true, that "heaven let your light shine down" turd they did

Q('.'Q) (eman), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

it's true, that "heaven let your light shine down" turd they did

that was collective soul not candlebox wasn't it?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

ohhhh snap i think ur right

Q('.'Q) (eman), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Collective Soul. I had the misfortune of seeing Candlebox open for Rush on the Counterparts tour. I wish it would've been Helmet, oh I wish.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

"heaven let your light shine down" turd is an awesome song!

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Sunday, 18 June 2006 01:43 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hahahahaha they should join forces and become CandleSoul.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Sunday, 18 June 2006 05:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

heaven let your light shine down" turd is an awesome song!

its definitely better than Candlebox's hit at least! i can't even hardly remember what it sounds like.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 June 2006 09:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

I just remember "left me Far BeHIYEEeend!!!" or something.
Collective Soul was way better.

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Sunday, 18 June 2006 09:24 (8 years ago) Permalink

definitely. man, "post-grunge" is like the worst music ever. that shit paved the way for CREED and NICKELBACK.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 June 2006 09:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

dude, PUDDLE OF MUDD. More like Puddle of Dudd, amirite?

Ok anyways Helmet rules and Page is OTM here:
"I hear so many bands that, to me, I can't distinguish between them," he said, talking about the current scene. "It's sort of like, 'Insert four guys with tattoos here.' And it's pseudo-hardcore or pseudo-punk rock or emo. It just seems like you get your 'Rock Star 101' manual and fill in the blanks. This music just doesn't interest me at this point in my life."

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Sunday, 18 June 2006 09:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

wow, so duane denison and him are on the same album? hmm, i might actually have to hear that. despite my no-patton lifestyle. the new tomahawk is gonna be all public domain native american songs in their original languages. everyone probably knows that though.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 June 2006 14:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

so what did happen to Helmet's drummer?

He's in Battles.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 18 June 2006 14:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

right! that's the one i'm forgetting. and i even have one of those EPs. i'll have to find it.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 18 June 2006 14:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

Prong did not do the odd time sigs or make their living playing in Drop-D tunings. Other than the fact that both bands came out of NYC and put out records on major labels, there wasn't much in common.

Sorry, but you're an utter dingbat.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 18 June 2006 16:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

Happy Father's Day, Alex!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 18 June 2006 16:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

Dear Alex, happy fathers day and go fuck yourself.

If you can't tell the difference between shit like "Prove You Wrong" (the only Prong song anyone other than metal mooks ever heard or cared about) and Helmet you are deaf and musically ignorant.

Prong = Just because your singer was the doorman at CBGBs doesn't make you cool. Face it, you're a 4/4 metal band.

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Sunday, 18 June 2006 23:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

Marmot 4-Tay (marmotwolof), Sunday, 18 June 2006 23:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

Dear Tom ---

Prong released three albums prior to Prove You Wrong, all of which pre-date Helmet's debut.

You're still a dingbat and obviously have a hard time admitting when you're out of your depth.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 19 June 2006 01:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

And Tommy Victor was CB's sound man, not door man. If you've ever been to CBGB's, you'd probably know they've never had a door man.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 19 June 2006 01:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

Betty would about make a good EP.
The first four songs would do it.

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Monday, 19 June 2006 08:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Blame it on Einstürzende Neubauten, or maybe Janet Jackson"

or..Downtown Juile Brown!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 19 June 2006 09:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...
So, Monochrome not worth checking out then? (it's out tomorrow. Loved the first two, half of Betty, didn't bother after that)

StanM (StanM), Monday, 17 July 2006 18:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

The song I heard was pretty okay, old-school Helmet.

Marty Innerlogic (marty innerlogic), Monday, 17 July 2006 20:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

They're playing a local venue here tonight. 14 years ago they played to a place about fifteen times as big not far away. I don't so much feel old as think, "They've reached their best level."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 August 2007 00:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

In every old thread dug up Alex is fighting with someone in a new, very entertaining way.

humansuit, Thursday, 23 August 2007 00:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

there are times when i really need a loud, heavy riff-charged assault a la 'meantime'. aside from these times, i don't feel the urge to listen to it all that often.

i'll add that 'i know' from betty is amazing

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 23 August 2007 02:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

How many posts and not one mentioning how stunningly beautiful Page Hamilton is?!?!?

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 23 August 2007 03:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

i'd like to think i'm more beautiful

certainly not the reason i listen to helmet

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 23 August 2007 15:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

It was kind of weird playing 'Born Annoying' (the song) a few mornings ago, sandwiched in between seeing John Stanier kick my head off two seperate times as Battles drummer. Dude's certainly switched up his style over time

DJ Mencap, Thursday, 23 August 2007 16:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

Helmet's pretty good workout music.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 23 August 2007 16:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

'betty' really does dip after the first four tracks (which are awesome). way too many tepid, 'nice-enough' snoozers deflating the energy of the thing.

Charlie Howard, Friday, 31 August 2007 17:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

Love exactly two Helmet songs: Impressionable and the 1st version of Born Annoying. Ha ha part is that both come from a demo that AmRep released against the band's wishes. Oh yeah, and they did a swell cover of Killing Joke's Primitive. Other than that, don't give a shit.

Bob Standard, Friday, 31 August 2007 17:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

'clean' is as good as any of the first four tracks on betty

6335, Friday, 31 August 2007 17:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

their best song:

Zeno, Saturday, 6 June 2009 01:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

still reppin' for 'clean' in june '09

6335, Saturday, 6 June 2009 05:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

Still reppin' for Aftertaste which is a pretty underrated record IMHO.

Saw Helmet play last year at the Waldrock-festival (which is the second or third biggest metalfestival in The Netherlands), and they were the best band of the day.

Marty Innerlogic, Saturday, 6 June 2009 10:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

He played on a Wire song from Object 47: "All Fours." Not sure he did anything that someone else couldn't have done, but it's a pretty nice track, although to be fair it sounds like Band of Susans with a different vocalist.

dlp9001, Saturday, 6 June 2009 18:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

what am I missing about this band?

admrl, Friday, 18 June 2010 17:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

i've played my tape copy of meantime probably 300 times and it still sounds great!

scott seward, Friday, 18 June 2010 18:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

I just had this memory come back to me that when my family took me to Israel when I was 14 I was playing Meantime over and over again on my walkman and lusting after this girl on the tour bus. Jewish tours suck! Helmet Rules!

Theodore "Thee Diddy" Roosevelt (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 15:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Helmet on a Kibbutz. Helmet at Masada. Helmet at King David's Tomb. It was great.

Theodore "Thee Diddy" Roosevelt (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Unsung made the top 100 in the current ILM poll!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 4 August 2010 15:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

fuckin the best...

Stormy Davis, Monday, 9 May 2011 05:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

i would be curious to see a best of poll. listening to "so easy to get bored" over and over today for some reason. still sounds amazing!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

best of records or best of songs?
cause if it's the first the winner is obvious isn't it?

nostormo, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

Helmet on a Kibbutz. Helmet at Masada. Helmet at King David's Tomb. It was great.

― Theodore "Thee Diddy" Roosevelt (Hurting 2), Wednesday, August 4, 2010 11:24 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

sounds like a line from a Mark Leyner novel.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

songs, obv!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

id vote in that

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

the problem is i'm lazy.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

are these guys touring again? sure i saw their name on a tokyo listings page.

sam500, Thursday, 8 September 2011 04:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

"What people make the mistake of is saying, 'Well, I don't hear jazz.' I'm not playing jazz," he said. "It's not jazz. But I can hear the jazz influences. Name me one other band on the planet that's using a major-7 sharp 11 chord with a 13 in the chorus. None. This is my tuning. None. I guarantee it."

mookieproof, Saturday, 22 December 2012 05:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

> Name me one other band on the planet that's using a major-7 sharp 11 chord with a 13 in the chorus

Shudder to Think

Poliopolice, Saturday, 22 December 2012 06:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is fucking weird but I am listing to do make say think on spotify right now and p sure I just heard that song

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Saturday, 22 December 2012 06:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

chord I mean

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Saturday, 22 December 2012 06:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

also I bet there's chicago and yes songs with that chord in the chorus

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Saturday, 22 December 2012 06:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

I dig helmet and all I guess, but claiming ownership of a chord is like some next level shredder asshole nonsense.

tiniest homeless (jjjusten), Saturday, 22 December 2012 06:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pity he didn't put so much care and thought into his crappy vocal melodies or Helmet would have been much better.

MaresNest, Saturday, 22 December 2012 09:10 (1 year ago) Permalink


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