― dave q, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 09:36 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 09:40 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 10:48 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 10:51 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 13:43 (9 years ago) Permalink
B) While Vai played with Frank Zappa, Zappa referred to Vai as his "stunt guitarist"; ie Zappa was the star, Vai was the guy who did the shit Zappa couldn't or didn't want to do.
C) Satch is a nice fellah.
D) Neither are quite fit to be cut into little pieces, deep fried, and served in the bucket Buckethead wears on his head.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:12 (9 years ago) Permalink
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:15 (9 years ago) Permalink
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:16 (9 years ago) Permalink
Good lord, did he really? That is bad. Still, I'm sure he was well paid...or at least got to have his way with La Furtada...(who, it seems, has made good on her threat to fly away...thankfully). Vai's got to make a buck somehow. Even Paul Raven of Killing Joke played bass for Belinda Carlisle on a Top of the Pops appearance.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:19 (9 years ago) Permalink
Taken for granted that they're both wanky guitar heroes, I think Vai's got the edge in tricks and shred, but I think Satriani has better melodies. He's also got an album that I can still listen to, that self-titled one with Manu Katche on it that's focused on blues and funk. It's the only one that sounds pretty raw and natural, and it's got a great band.
I do have a soft spot for Vai's Fire Garden Suite thingy though, with the Abba intro.
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:31 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 July 2003 14:54 (9 years ago) Permalink
― LA75 (LA75), Thursday, 31 July 2003 01:13 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 31 July 2003 01:17 (9 years ago) Permalink
I'm still waiting for a good Steve Vai solo record.
― Andrew Frye (paul cox), Thursday, 31 July 2003 02:15 (9 years ago) Permalink
Don't get me wrong, though. I still greatly admire Vai's musicianship and enthusiasm, and he has written some good stuff. The Attitude Song is great, for example.
― Andrew (enneff), Monday, 18 October 2004 00:58 (8 years ago) Permalink
― AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:02 (8 years ago) Permalink
― Guitarzan, Thursday, 29 September 2005 13:02 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Satchmo, Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:03 (7 years ago) Permalink
The "talking guitar" skit at the beginning of David Lee Roth's "Yankee Rose"=VAI WINS! Wowee zowee guitar tricks! come to think, the whole "Eat 'Em and Smile" album rules....best post-Roth leaving Van Halen record, including all the actual Van Halen records!
Ladies Night in Buffalo.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:39 (7 years ago) Permalink
Joe Satriani is a bay area rock Kevin Bacon.
― earlnash, Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:50 (7 years ago) Permalink
JS >> SV
― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
"I worked with Joe Satriani through most of the JS process. Steve turned me on to Joe right before Surfing with the Alien came out. Joe was and is a regular, down-to-earth guy. He also wanted his guitars to be absolutely dead, acoustically. This went against everything I knew about building guitars. We had some moments trying to get guitars Joe liked. It was interesting to see Joe go from â€œSteve Vaiâ€™s guitar teacher,â€? to a major star. Check out his Wang Chung â€˜do in the attached old ad with a Power first series guitar!"
â€” Rich Lasner
JS has a very cold, clinical sound, even when he's playing emotionally. It's a detached kind of emotion. If in the mood, it's actually quite a cool feeling you can get from his style/sound. It makes me think of aliens performing surgery on a man who is under their influence (mind-controlling paralysis-inducing drug or technology) and flying through a pleasant blue dream.
― Guitarzan, Friday, 30 September 2005 18:13 (7 years ago) Permalink
― jb, Friday, 30 September 2005 18:42 (7 years ago) Permalink
But, the two others I bought had me horrified with some of the incredibly lame "gayness" that reminded me of this:http://americawestandasone.com/video.htmlAnd I just could not tolerate them, so I had to get rid of them.
― Guitarzan, Friday, 30 September 2005 18:51 (7 years ago) Permalink
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 30 September 2005 18:53 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Guitarzan, Friday, 30 September 2005 19:23 (7 years ago) Permalink
IIII JUST WANNA RIIIDEGET ON MY BIKE AND RIIIDE
Fuck yeah bro!!
Therefore JS wins.
― sleep (sleep), Friday, 30 September 2005 20:12 (7 years ago) Permalink
― sleep (sleep), Friday, 30 September 2005 20:15 (7 years ago) Permalink
― sleep (sleep), Friday, 30 September 2005 20:19 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Guitarzan, Friday, 30 September 2005 20:22 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Guitarzan, Friday, 30 September 2005 20:26 (7 years ago) Permalink
In Steve's favor, he did the soundtrack to "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure."
In Joe's, he sang back-up on the first Crowded House record (!!!).
In Steve's, he played with Zappa and David Lee Roth.
In Joe's, he didn't.
In Steve's, he played the devil in "Crossroads," versus Ralph Macchio.
In Joe's, he went bald.
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 30 September 2005 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Guitarzan, Friday, 30 September 2005 21:47 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Guitarzan, Friday, 30 September 2005 21:51 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 30 September 2005 21:55 (7 years ago) Permalink
Yesterday, I picked up his 2005 release "Real Illusions: Reflections." So, now I have Ultra Zone and this new one and I like them both. In fact, I liked the new one enough to listen to the Ultra Zone again last night and I liked it more than I ever have before. His music is kind of funny because it feels like it exists in a vacuum, sort of influenced by certain obvious musicians but also stripped of the popular appeal of those musicians and distilled into his own completely foreign style. I read an interview where he said he's not interested in making "better" music than other people, just different. He likes to make stuff he's never heard before and it shows! I am going down the used record store tonight and see what other Vai I can dig up.
― Guitarzan, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 14:56 (7 years ago) Permalink
Although... Buckethead has a major problem with sounding exactly the same. For instance, I swear he is playing the exact same two-handed crawl every time. Cuckoo Clocks of Hell is great and all, but it might as well be one song (although I do realize the length of such repetitive riffing is what makes the album so cool, I rarely bother finishing it). Same with Thanatopsis. Same with Giant Robot (the album, not the band's s/t, which is excellent!). Same with Colma. Same with Electric Tears, which is like Colma without the canned drums. Monsters and Robots just sucks, although the 2 decent songs on it sound like leftovers from Giant Robot, which was already repetitive enough and slightly too long, so we don't need more. Cobra Strike sounds like he pressed record and played some scales over a drum machine. Cobra Strike II sounds like he pressed record and played some scales over a DJ's backing track. What else? Oh, I guess that's enough to make my point, anyway.
I think both JS and SV have more soul and writing abilities than Buckethead. And, not that it really matters, but the they both are better technical players. Buckethead is really sloppy live. I'm not sure if it's the mask getting in his way or if he's just ploughing through it half-assed or if he really can't play as perfectly as he does in a studio environment. Maybe it's sitting vs. standing playing?
Buckethead plays well with electronica and dj backing, but JS and SV actually sound like electronica and dj backing themselves. They are both able to get all these bizarre sounds from their guitars that sound very much like the kind of washy, blippy and warped weirdness people squeeze out of computers, but they have perfect control and can play it all live flawlessly. JS and SV also have well-crafted compositions. Buckethead often sounds like there is no composotion, just simple phrasing of scales that go nowhere.
Buckethead is really good at making music that sounds deranged, especially Island of Lost Minds, but he's not so good at evoking any other emotions. Colma is good for chilling out because it has a cold, canned feel and it meanders so aimlessly that you can't pay attention to it if you try. It leads to mental wandering. I know it's supposed to sound emotional, but it doesn't because the tone is not there. Electric Tears seems like an attempt to sound more emotional by dropping the canned drums, getting a bluesier tone and bending the strings with some electric songs thrown in toward the end. But, this too fails to elicit emotion from me. It sounds like background chill out music. Both are a little too long and a little too boring, oddly with Electric Tears being the more boring of the two, despite its seeming attempt to emote.
But what about joy? The sheer playfulness of Giant Robot does emote some joy. Yes, it is fun to listen to. But, it's about as fun as The Fucking Champs and nobody is calling them Guitar Gods. It's flat and has no tone, too repetitive and too long. SV and JS can really emote joy and not in just a flat representation of what joy should sound like. You feel like your mind is actually being taken for a ride that's like a combination of maze, rollercoaster and flying saucer with ups and downs of dynamic composition and gobs of delicious, golden tone. SV also has a flair for unexpected, complex twists obviously stolen from Zappa, but without the goofiness. I had always wondered if Zappa's music would be less annoying without the goofy factor. Well, now I know. It would have been. SV proves you can throw cartoony-sounding passages in the middle of a song without it sounding goofy or hodge-podge. Satriani's first 3 or 4 albums weren't that great as far as tone or composition, but his songwriting got less "paint-by-numbers" sounding on his later albums and much more expressive.
I fully realize, however, that Buckethead's lack of tone in favor of distorto shred is a more popular sound at this time, after years of punk, grunge and metal and as soon as some people hear the clarity of production values on a JS or SV album, it sounds "thin" and cheesy. But, it's really a different sound for a different style of music, similar to the clarity one would expect on a classical record or certain jazz records.
As even Zappa must have realized, "stunt guitar" is pretty cool to listen to when it's an interesting piece of music played by a capable performer. Even more dazzling when it sounds beyond human ability. Think of how lucky we are that anybody can actually play that impossible shit, let alone write it, and we actually get to hear it. Or is it only cool when weird sounds and impossible pieces of music are made on a computer now?
― Guitarzan, Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:05 (7 years ago) Permalink
There are less odd faces associated with it. Or rather, the odd faces are different.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:12 (7 years ago) Permalink
I can't see with my ears, so they could be eating their own head for all I care. ;-)
― Guitarzan, Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:16 (7 years ago) Permalink
Fuck Steve Vai, I don't care if he played with Roth and PiL. Dude is a straight up ass clown.
Listening to Surfing With the Alien right now, which I had pretty much memorized in the last 80s, and it still holds up. Satriani = less dramatic guitarist than Vai, but way more musical.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:38 (8 months ago) Permalink
this makes it pretty hard to defend steve...lord i sat through this whole thing in horror once
― Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 22:55 (8 months ago) Permalink
ugh, what a goon.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:05 (8 months ago) Permalink
― the late great, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 00:26 (8 months ago) Permalink
That's the best non-official video for a song on youtube I've ever watched.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 00:58 (8 months ago) Permalink