But what exactly is the criteria these days? Doesn't the Wire's choice of cover artists seem a bit arbitrary to anyone else? I mean, Matthew Herbert, Jackie-O Motherfucker and Yo La Tengo? Two features on Sightings, and never a word about MV? No love for Wolf Eyes (save for Coley's column)? They never even did a cover story on their favorite emo mic-smashers-cum-avant garde posterboys Black Dice.
Now, believe me, I'd much rather read about the fantastic Jackie-O Motherfucker than hear more British journos gushing over Black Dice as if the underground tape-label scene never existed, but I'm not quite sure I understand 'what it takes' to be chosen for the cover. Maybe I'm looking a gift horse in the mouth here - I'm pretty psyched to read that Sunburned article.
― roger adultery, Friday, 25 July 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― dleone (dleone), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― brock (brock), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)
They're on the cover as representatives of a scene. Whether the 'scene' exists outside David Keenan's head I've no idea, but that's why they're there.
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 25 July 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)
it seems like a stretch to suggest that these pockets of wayward activity - MV&EE and Foole in VT, SBHotM and Corsano & Co. in MA, Charalambides and Scorces in TX, Pelt and the VA bunch, the scattered J-OMF, etc - really constitute a national "scene." it would have been more judicious to focus on the Northeast, where there's definitely a communal something stirring, when you factor in Marcia Bassett and the Apostasy kids.
but that's journalism for ya.
― summerslastsound, Friday, 25 July 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)
"The New Weird America" I believe.
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 25 July 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― daniel hewitt, Friday, 25 July 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Magic City (ano ano), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Magic City (ano ano), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― brock (brock), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― brock (brock), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― brock (brock), Friday, 25 July 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)
Really, Chris V? Well then, tell him hi. :-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)
By the way...
Tower Recordings just put out an album called The Futuristic Folk of... and it's pretty great. You may know that MV now plays on his own and with his gal EE, and makes some great records, and, to answer your other question, PG Six has a new record coming out on Amish this year. Not sure about the others (except Tim Barnes...duh) but I saw that Scott (drummer) was playing with some of the Perhaps Transparent dudes and Daniel Carter recently.
Golden Calves broke up after a bad tour, but 3/4 of us (plus a bunch of others) are in a new band called Wooden Wand & The Vanishing Voice. we currently only have a tape out, but are working on our first LP as we speak. Darren started Janisary Music with some other dude, and they have numerous CDR releases out, plus an LP on Ecstatic Peace. I haven't heard them but I imagine they're pretty good (tho probably not too folky)
Hall of Fame are still together, but I heard there were pressing issues, explaining the delay of their newest album and 7" for Sinkole Records. In other Hall of Fame news, Theo Angell (who also plays with Jackie-O) will be releasing a CDR on my label next month, and it's sure to blow everyone away.
― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 25 July 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)
Yo Ned - we're way too small-time to do promos, but obviously I'll send you whatever you need - I still owe you one anyway - email me
― roger adultery, Friday, 25 July 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)
that makes sense. Scott contributes to Pothole Skinny, which appears to be mainly the concern of Perhaps Transparent's Stephen Connolly. i keep waiting for their EP or LP to thrill me, and i've given both many chances. just hasn't happened yet.
but there are only so many Pat Gublers out there.
― summerslastsound (summerslastsound), Friday, 25 July 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― ben welsh (benwelsh), Friday, 25 July 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― brock (brock), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pele, Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)
I remember the wire doing a main story (not a cover) on the 'people band' (this is an old improv type outfit as i recall) and there wasn't much in the way of recs or anything so you could never tell whether they were as good as the reviewer said they were. It was just 'lets document this bit of history' etc.
but who knows, they might have reissued a record of theirs since and it might the grebtest thing evah!
I like david keenan but his enthusiasm does mean that at times he'll fawn over the interviewee rather than ask some tough questions if the need arises.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 July 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Wandering Boy Poet, Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)
The only thing of theirs I have is the current tour CD, "Magnetic Drugs." It's good. I'd like to pick up Jaybird and Headdress sometime, but am a poor lad.
― Ian Johnson (elmo oxygen), Saturday, 26 July 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― hstencil, Monday, 28 July 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 July 2003 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― cardo, Monday, 28 July 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― kephm, Monday, 28 July 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)
Its not just abt the one band but it is a scene setting type article where david keenan is basically drawing bands who are into folk, psych, free stuff together and synthesise and explore that kind of territory (to me saying this stuff has much to do with free jazz is a bit strange to me as i sorta think its more to do with psych jams and so on: maybe there is a connection in terms of state of mind if not the method).
the precursors are ppl like sun city girls, pelt, mazzacane, jandek and so on. not a bad article really and if its scene setting then fair enough.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 July 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― V (1411), Thursday, 31 July 2003 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)
you are right abt the title: ''weird america'' made me cringe when i saw it.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 1 August 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 3 August 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 3 August 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)
Got the self-titled LP with birthday money. It's good. Some anti-war stuff that seems a bit late (when did this come out?), but otherwise it's just a skronk/drone/jam fest of epic proportions. best served with drugs or sleep deprivation.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 2 January 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 2 January 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)
I would be going if I was back in New York. Should I drive down for the night? I'd love to se Sunn and Sunburned... hm.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 2 January 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― alexmiles, Friday, 2 January 2004 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)
should i bring xanax?
― lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Saturday, 3 January 2004 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)
I was informed recently on the Slsk message board that there was a thing called 'apocalyptic folk.' Evidently Current 93, Nurse With Wound, and Coil (??!!!??!!??!) are practitioners of this sub-genre. Now, I like those artists, but FOLK?!? NWW & C93 sometimes, but Coil has never struck me as folk-related at all. The above-mentioned Dead Raven Choir might fit that description, though.
Speaking of Finland - please check out Doktor Kettu. Not folk, but really good improv/drone/psych with 3 guitars. Awesome.
― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Iditarod were from Providence, RI. Indefinitely on hiatus or broken up, members now play in Black Forest/Black Sea. Worth checking out. CD on Secret Eye Records.
― Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)
i heard one of those doktor kettu things - black something-or-other, i think it was called. do they all sound irredeemably like ass? the material seemed okay but it sounded like it was recorded on a microscassette player in someone's pocket.
(in regards to the original question, this article pretty much steeled my resolve to not read anything about bands i like and respect.)
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)
Chrome Hoof sucked. They wore spangly hooded robes that looked lifted from an Arkestra yard sale, which was cool. The bass player occasionally wore a plastic ram's head mask, which was cool. They had a bassoonist, which was really cool. But the music was total shit. They did two things: 1) heavy slow instrumentals that were very generic (Yob are better than them, never mind Boris, Khanate, Sunn 0))), etc., etc., etc.) and disco-funk instrumentals that were horrible, like cruise-ship lounge-band horrible. So, fuck a bunch of Chrome Hoof.
Sunburned Hand were okay. They did that "are they playing now, or is this the tune-up?" thing; I finally figured out that they were into their set proper when the Buzz Osbourne-looking singer started shaking a tambourine in "time" with the high-pitched wobbling wail the electronics guy was producing. They had way too many people onstage (8) for the sound they actually produced, though. With an octet, three of whom are guitarists, I expect some kind of Agharta level of roaring, and I got something between a really lazy Can rehearsal and a smacked-out early-80s Butthole Surfers, if they were totally unable to muster the energy to try and scare the audience. They played two songs. The first one was good, the second one was aimless and boring.
Sunn 0))) are the first great Jawa rock band. The two guitarists came out in floor-length brown robes with red hoods; the other two (bass and electronics, respectively) wore black robes. The two guitarists, Gregg and Stephen, faced their amps for pretty much the whole set, roaring and rumbling at ridiculous volume. I kid you not: dust was falling from the ceiling onto my head, and the little plastic pack my earplugs had come in was bouncing all over the tabletop. I tried to push a bunch of empty beer bottles together in the center of one of the tables to see if they'd start resonating, but they didn't. Killer set nonetheless.
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Broheems (diamond), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)
also:
QBICO 12
A BAND (QBICO 12) blue vinyl with red and yellow schizoid patterns, coverby: Neil Campbell, Jim Plaistow and Qbico, 350 copies only: $15
Stream Angel, Tim Barker, Neil Campbell, Jean-Emmanuel Dubois, VinceEarimal, Sticky Foster, Neil Lent, Niggle, Jim Plaistow, Barry Rothery,Isabel Scott-Plummer, Stewart Walden, Sharen Woodward, Richard Youngs plusseveral others unidentified friends attending...
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 9 January 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)
still trying to figure out if that lp is just the untitled cd cut up into pieces (which would be pretty sad - fusetron released a 10" of that 'train tickets' song already...for some reason).
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)
The A-band rec arrived. great stuff.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 January 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)
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