Sunburned Hand of the Man on the cover of the new Wire - explain

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I say, good for them. They're great. Live and on record, they're great.

But what exactly is the criteria these days? Doesn't the Wire's choice of cover artists seem a bit arbitrary to anyone else? I mean, Matthew Herbert, Jackie-O Motherfucker and Yo La Tengo? Two features on Sightings, and never a word about MV? No love for Wolf Eyes (save for Coley's column)? They never even did a cover story on their favorite emo mic-smashers-cum-avant garde posterboys Black Dice.

Now, believe me, I'd much rather read about the fantastic Jackie-O Motherfucker than hear more British journos gushing over Black Dice as if the underground tape-label scene never existed, but I'm not quite sure I understand 'what it takes' to be chosen for the cover. Maybe I'm looking a gift horse in the mouth here - I'm pretty psyched to read that Sunburned article.

roger adultery, Friday, 25 July 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd rather see dizzee there...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.equinedental.com/images/articles/truth%20about%20teeth%20images/truthaboutteeth1gif.gif

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

my friend is in this band. i played xylophone with them once.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but they had Boredoms on the cover for no real reason at all. I was thankful for that.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

lets take a look at this at face value. ok. so i am a huge fan of sunburned. they have this forced obscurity thing going on though. they release most of their output on cd-r (very limited mind you), and the album that received the most amount of press, Headdress was a 1k limited vinyl only run. yet they are showing up on the cover of wire? i'm not sure if that makes sense to me. it sort of seems like a slap in the face for the fans that are buying their somewhat pricey limited run shit and not just settling for mp3s.

brock (brock), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

unless there are two sunburned hands of the man?

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

nope, thats critter right there on the left. mother fucker. his brother will be at my house tonight. ha.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Brock I don't understand how it can be a slap in the face?

They're on the cover as representatives of a scene. Whether the 'scene' exists outside David Keenan's head I've no idea, but that's why they're there.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 25 July 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

It exists all right. It's called Terrastock. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i swear to god, the Loft they practice/live out of is made of marijuana.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

"Weird America," or something, right? i had the pleasure of sitting with Keenan at the Brattleboro Free Folk fest. he was so excited - practically in tears during Dred Foole's solo set - and his enthusiasm was infectious. he joined in during the closing SBHotM blow-out, banging on anything he could find, upstaged as spectacle only by Heather Murray, who had trouble keeping her clothes on. ahem.

it seems like a stretch to suggest that these pockets of wayward activity - MV&EE and Foole in VT, SBHotM and Corsano & Co. in MA, Charalambides and Scorces in TX, Pelt and the VA bunch, the scattered J-OMF, etc - really constitute a national "scene." it would have been more judicious to focus on the Northeast, where there's definitely a communal something stirring, when you factor in Marcia Bassett and the Apostasy kids.

but that's journalism for ya.

summerslastsound, Friday, 25 July 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah DK is definitely '4 real' as far as the enthusiasm goes!

"The New Weird America" I believe.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 25 July 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever happened to The Tower Recordings, PG Six and The Golden Calves? They all (especially The Tower Recordings) seemed to be doing this "freefolk" stuff a long time ago in New York. And are Hall of Fame still around?

daniel hewitt, Friday, 25 July 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i think pg six and hall of fame are supposed to have new albums out soon. i saw pg recently in new york, he was as sweet-voiced as ever

Magic City (ano ano), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

also
has anyone heard this new matt valentine record that looks surprisingly normal in terms of packaging. i don't even think it has a run-number on it

Magic City (ano ano), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

i just have a weird feeling that Wire is'nt going to do a successful job at really portraying what this group (good point too that the could be a representative of a scene or whatever) actually does as musical entity. i just picked up broken face #16 which has a TSBHotM interview which was done by Jose Marmeleira(?) which basically let Rob Thomas of the group go off about the group's dynamics and how the music is formed. i'm not sure that this will happen in Wire.

brock (brock), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I recently read that interview as well, got me very interested in the band actually, as I hadn't heard anything yet from them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

ned, you absolutely have to hear that avarus record then. that interview got me listening to parson sound, and holy shit, i can't stop.

brock (brock), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Yus, Avarus seemed like characters. And then there was Yahowa, who didn't realize WERE an actual cult.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

If anyone needs any Sunburned stuff, I have easy access to it. On the phone with Critter now...

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

That jeweled antler label seems to be the jam as well. The new comp invisible pyramids has a wonderful Kemialliset Ystavat track on it which features members of Avarus.

brock (brock), Friday, 25 July 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I was wondering what the deal was with that (I have said comp).

Really, Chris V? Well then, tell him hi. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Also try to track down the Kemialliset LP Fusetron did a few years back - that's still my favorite.

By the way...

Tower Recordings just put out an album called The Futuristic Folk of... and it's pretty great. You may know that MV now plays on his own and with his gal EE, and makes some great records, and, to answer your other question, PG Six has a new record coming out on Amish this year. Not sure about the others (except Tim Barnes...duh) but I saw that Scott (drummer) was playing with some of the Perhaps Transparent dudes and Daniel Carter recently.

Golden Calves broke up after a bad tour, but 3/4 of us (plus a bunch of others) are in a new band called Wooden Wand & The Vanishing Voice. we currently only have a tape out, but are working on our first LP as we speak. Darren started Janisary Music with some other dude, and they have numerous CDR releases out, plus an LP on Ecstatic Peace. I haven't heard them but I imagine they're pretty good (tho probably not too folky)

Hall of Fame are still together, but I heard there were pressing issues, explaining the delay of their newest album and 7" for Sinkole Records. In other Hall of Fame news, Theo Angell (who also plays with Jackie-O) will be releasing a CDR on my label next month, and it's sure to blow everyone away.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 25 July 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Roger, if there isn't a promo list for you already, can I sleaze my way onto it? Or did we have this conversation?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 25 July 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah Ned, seriously if you need anything shoot me an email. He's good like that.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 25 July 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris - I could use a copy - CDR is fine - of Jaybird, and will gladly pay. Lemme know


Yo Ned - we're way too small-time to do promos, but obviously I'll send you whatever you need - I still owe you one anyway - email me

roger adultery, Friday, 25 July 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

>Not sure about the others (except Tim Barnes...duh) but I saw that >Scott (drummer) was playing with some of the Perhaps Transparent >dudes and Daniel Carter recently.

that makes sense. Scott contributes to Pothole Skinny, which appears to be mainly the concern of Perhaps Transparent's Stephen Connolly. i keep waiting for their EP or LP to thrill me, and i've given both many chances. just hasn't happened yet.

but there are only so many Pat Gublers out there.

summerslastsound (summerslastsound), Friday, 25 July 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Anybody know where I can get a copy of Jaybird? I can't find it on my P2P programs. I got Headdress and I like that okay but that piece by Julian Cope (it's on his website, Headhunter or whatever, awesome site) on Sunburned... got me so stoked to hear some more.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Friday, 25 July 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

just got a copy of jaybird from eclipse records. freggin beautiful splatter-green vinyl with killer artword on the sleeve. little pricey, but totally worth it.

brock (brock), Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2547775325&category=1592

Pele, Saturday, 26 July 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

from what I've read on drone on and here so far there is no logic for this.

I remember the wire doing a main story (not a cover) on the 'people band' (this is an old improv type outfit as i recall) and there wasn't much in the way of recs or anything so you could never tell whether they were as good as the reviewer said they were. It was just 'lets document this bit of history' etc.

but who knows, they might have reissued a record of theirs since and it might the grebtest thing evah!

I like david keenan but his enthusiasm does mean that at times he'll fawn over the interviewee rather than ask some tough questions if the need arises.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 26 July 2003 06:54 (twenty-two years ago)

The MV/EE Daybreak of Cocola is pretty goddamm good. One of my faves of the year so far.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 26 July 2003 07:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Must admit, although I love all those bands, I wasn't impressed with the dude from Sunburned's boasting about his criminal past in the article. I'm sure all the people he's hurt are happy they were able to boost his 'ghetto cred'.

Wandering Boy Poet, Saturday, 26 July 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Sunburned a lot, and when I've talked to them, they've been nice fellas. Live is really the way to go, though--they're great recorded and all, but better live--really quite a show.

The only thing of theirs I have is the current tour CD, "Magnetic Drugs." It's good. I'd like to pick up Jaybird and Headdress sometime, but am a poor lad.

Ian Johnson (elmo oxygen), Saturday, 26 July 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

rumour has it that the reason Jackie-O Motherfucker were on the cover was because NNCK refused it. Not sure I believe that, though.

hstencil, Monday, 28 July 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

um, I can. I met the promoter of the recent NNCK tour in a sunny murray gig and he told me that they are v protective of their identity and so on.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 July 2003 07:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty sure NNCK had a front cover last year or the year before.

cardo, Monday, 28 July 2003 13:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty sure they didn't. but they were interviewed for a brief feauture.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Personal opinion and all that but I find David Keenan the most irritating journalist writing for Wire and also the most predictable. I rather facetiously said that our own dear Julio Desouza had somewhat of a fetish for all things Japanese but in the case of Keenan it's bordering on an obsession. The way Keenan approaches his other hobbyhorses, like English Folk Music and "Fire" Music (wow, how daring), smacks of the eager-to-please zealotry of the newly converted and gets on yer wick after a while, blah. Plus he's to blame for the fucking Pastels and Yo La Tengo appearing in Wire - once a twee indie geek always a twee indie geek.

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Did anyone else think this thread was about the cover art of the new Wire album?

Tom Breihan (Tom Breihan), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

yes

kephm, Monday, 28 July 2003 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

just picked the new wire up.

Its not just abt the one band but it is a scene setting type article where david keenan is basically drawing bands who are into folk, psych, free stuff together and synthesise and explore that kind of territory (to me saying this stuff has much to do with free jazz is a bit strange to me as i sorta think its more to do with psych jams and so on: maybe there is a connection in terms of state of mind if not the method).

the precursors are ppl like sun city girls, pelt, mazzacane, jandek and so on. not a bad article really and if its scene setting then fair enough.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 31 July 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

It could have been a real scene setting article. Unfortunetly not. With no mention of the "Wyrdfolk" of Stone Breath it seems a little disingenous. It should have been a Terrastock cover story. What a waste of "weirdness".

V (1411), Thursday, 31 July 2003 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

well they are gonna have to leave some ppl out. but its a good start for ppl who don't know anything abt it.

you are right abt the title: ''weird america'' made me cringe when i saw it.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 1 August 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

....."Weird America By Precious Scotsman" would have been a better title.

Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 3 August 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

a timely revive: I actually found through drone on that this is a play around from a phrase by greil marcus (since i deleted the emails and i can't remember maybe someone can tell me again).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 3 August 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...
Ahem.

Got the self-titled LP with birthday money. It's good. Some anti-war stuff that seems a bit late (when did this come out?), but otherwise it's just a skronk/drone/jam fest of epic proportions. best served with drugs or sleep deprivation.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 2 January 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

SHotM are playing with Sunn 0))) and Chrome Hoof (who I've never heard of) tonight at Tonic. Anybody going besides me?

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Friday, 2 January 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

AHHHHRHRJKSDHFJKD.

I would be going if I was back in New York. Should I drive down for the night? I'd love to se Sunn and Sunburned... hm.

Ian Johnson (orion), Friday, 2 January 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Phil and Ian, definitely get there to see chrome hoof! I hadn't heard of them either, but they were on the bull and gate halloween show with country teasers and were just fucking amazing. EVIL, EVIL shit...

alexmiles, Friday, 2 January 2004 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Tonic is about 3.5 hours away :( I doubt I'd make it in time to see them. Is there snow in NYC? There is heeere.

Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

what do chrome hoof sound like?

lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

best served with drugs or sleep deprivation.

should i bring xanax?

lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:49 (twenty-two years ago)

'The Old Weird America' of course a phrase of marcus's about the bastement tapes or somesuch rubbish. I vaguely remember this Wire cover. One of them wore a hat that made him look like a twat.

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 3 January 2004 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

The Finnish underground is currently rife with people who sound like the 'New Wierd America, bands. In fact, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping them straight, mostly because some of the Finns ended up on the stunning 'Invisible Pyramid' comp the Jewelled Antler (ground zero of 'NWA', I guess) folks released. Lalalal, Lataaja, and Jewelled Antler/Pink Skull are labels that are frequently releasing much of the music in question. Kemialliset Ystavat, Dead Raven Choir, Glassine, the Birdtree, Avarus, and Tivol are all terrific players in the USA/Finland-centered movement. I approve. psych/folk/noise/drone of the highest quality. Fursaxa, Iditarod, and Tower Recordings are from other countries, I think.

I was informed recently on the Slsk message board that there was a thing called 'apocalyptic folk.' Evidently Current 93, Nurse With Wound, and Coil (??!!!??!!??!) are practitioners of this sub-genre. Now, I like those artists, but FOLK?!? NWW & C93 sometimes, but Coil has never struck me as folk-related at all. The above-mentioned Dead Raven Choir might fit that description, though.

Speaking of Finland - please check out Doktor Kettu. Not folk, but really good improv/drone/psych with 3 guitars. Awesome.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Saturday, 3 January 2004 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Fursaxa, Iditarod, and Tower Recordings are from other countries, I think.

Iditarod were from Providence, RI. Indefinitely on hiatus or broken up, members now play in Black Forest/Black Sea. Worth checking out. CD on Secret Eye Records.

Ian Johnson (orion), Saturday, 3 January 2004 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

and fursaxa's from philadelphia and has a few CDRs and a vinyl lp out so far.

i heard one of those doktor kettu things - black something-or-other, i think it was called. do they all sound irredeemably like ass? the material seemed okay but it sounded like it was recorded on a microscassette player in someone's pocket.

(in regards to the original question, this article pretty much steeled my resolve to not read anything about bands i like and respect.)

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Show review from last night:

Chrome Hoof sucked. They wore spangly hooded robes that looked lifted from an Arkestra yard sale, which was cool. The bass player occasionally wore a plastic ram's head mask, which was cool. They had a bassoonist, which was really cool. But the music was total shit. They did two things: 1) heavy slow instrumentals that were very generic (Yob are better than them, never mind Boris, Khanate, Sunn 0))), etc., etc., etc.) and disco-funk instrumentals that were horrible, like cruise-ship lounge-band horrible. So, fuck a bunch of Chrome Hoof.

Sunburned Hand were okay. They did that "are they playing now, or is this the tune-up?" thing; I finally figured out that they were into their set proper when the Buzz Osbourne-looking singer started shaking a tambourine in "time" with the high-pitched wobbling wail the electronics guy was producing. They had way too many people onstage (8) for the sound they actually produced, though. With an octet, three of whom are guitarists, I expect some kind of Agharta level of roaring, and I got something between a really lazy Can rehearsal and a smacked-out early-80s Butthole Surfers, if they were totally unable to muster the energy to try and scare the audience. They played two songs. The first one was good, the second one was aimless and boring.

Sunn 0))) are the first great Jawa rock band. The two guitarists came out in floor-length brown robes with red hoods; the other two (bass and electronics, respectively) wore black robes. The two guitarists, Gregg and Stephen, faced their amps for pretty much the whole set, roaring and rumbling at ridiculous volume. I kid you not: dust was falling from the ceiling onto my head, and the little plastic pack my earplugs had come in was bouncing all over the tabletop. I tried to push a bunch of empty beer bottles together in the center of one of the tables to see if they'd start resonating, but they didn't. Killer set nonetheless.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 3 January 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

According to Sc0tt C0lburn on the Sun City Girls list, SCG are going to be the cover stars on an upcoming issue of The Wire. Hmmmm....

Broheems (diamond), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

tower recordings are from ny/new england

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 9 January 2004 20:44 (twenty-two years ago)

haha douglas wolk to thread. his article on them in some past -ish of the wire was really good.

also:

QBICO 12

A BAND (QBICO 12) blue vinyl with red and yellow schizoid patterns, cover
by: Neil Campbell, Jim Plaistow and Qbico, 350 copies only: $15

Stream Angel, Tim Barker, Neil Campbell, Jean-Emmanuel Dubois, Vince
Earimal, Sticky Foster, Neil Lent, Niggle, Jim Plaistow, Barry Rothery,
Isabel Scott-Plummer, Stewart Walden, Sharen Woodward, Richard Youngs plus
several others unidentified friends attending...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 9 January 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

wow, that's cheap for qbico.

still trying to figure out if that lp is just the untitled cd cut up into pieces (which would be pretty sad - fusetron released a 10" of that 'train tickets' song already...for some reason).

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

SGC are on the -ish but neubatten are on the cover.

The A-band rec arrived. great stuff.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 January 2004 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I read two-thirds of this thread before I realised that everyone was in fact *not* talking about the cover of (the band) Wire's latest album.

Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 22 January 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
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Chad Cooper, Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:29 (twenty years ago)

Chad Cooper! Hey, it's QuantumNoise (Justin). Zap me an e-mail.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 11 May 2006 01:58 (twenty years ago)

I saw them the other day and I was really let down... The set just didn't take off, which I guess is a risk you take with music of this nature

ghost dong (Sonny A.), Thursday, 11 May 2006 02:52 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
fuck these guys! just saw them live and it was fucking garbage. if i wasn't so much the type to stick something through to the end, no matter how awful it was, i would have left early. this type of super-abstract drone music is like reading a book, where you place your own imagery and ideas in the void. seeing these dudes live is like seeing a terrible movie adaptation of your book. THAT douchebag is what my favorite character looks like? i think i have an appreciation for the avantgarde and the absurd, but this was ridiculous and over the top. some dudes bumping around on stage playing with sticks and funny masks and throwing sheets over their heads does not equal art.

modestmickey, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:33 (nineteen years ago)

oh come on, its 2007, what band worth its salt dont have sheets over their heads and sticks??

600, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:40 (nineteen years ago)

i think my favourite sheet over head band that ive seen might be climax golden twins, though i saw a couple of ok sheet over head bands at bowdens boudoir in the last couple of months, but it wasnt clear who they were

600, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

although this is the first time i've seen music like this live. closest thing before was khanate. these types of dudes don't typically come around to NC. please don't tell me all my favorite bands have shows like this.

modestmickey, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

sheet over head band

Coincidentally, this my new favourite genre of music.

Drooone, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:45 (nineteen years ago)

I saw Sunburned Hand of the Man in a bar three or four years ago. I enjoyed the set a lot. Actually, I think I have a recording of that show burned on a CDR around here somewhere. I should dig that up.

novaheat, Friday, 23 March 2007 05:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://caves.com/fss/images/charlie_brown_pumpkin1.jpeg
"Which way to ATP?"

danbunny, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

sunburned is fabulous. i can't think of a more cleverly-marketed drum circle. rainsticks for all!

Lawrence the Looter, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)


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