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Can anyone confirm this? Can we believe it?

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

(vocalist Debbie Googe is apparently not present

I wouldn't take the word of anyone who can't actually get their facts right - Goodge was BASSIST, not vocalist.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

this has already been talked abt in a couple of other threads.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

i don't believe it yet. it seems all a bit unsubstantiated

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

fuck it anyway! indie is dead so there wouldn't be much point ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

i'm irritable enough right now to take that extremely personally

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 11:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and Free Jazz is alive?

Improvise yer ass outta here, funhater!

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

free jazz/improv has a small but committed audience. ppl who are into indie go into management.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Do they? I wish I was in management. I'd be better paid. Sigh.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

ok then. they also do the marriage/kids thing and they forget indie ever existed ;)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'd like to get married. I'd like to have kids. I can very much imagine HSA trying to get our babies to dance around to Throbbing Gristle the way that my dad used to scare me with Yes.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

throbbing gristle is industrial music.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was experimentalist, oh well.

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

Just another word for "shit".

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

also, remember that when you get married and begin to breed, you're required by law to bring a cellphone into the office and have dramatic conversations everyday with your husband, or loudly admonish your crotchspawnlings, to the obvious delight of your coworkers, every single day for the next 20 years.

or maybe that's something that's just required in the American Midwest...

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

''Just another word for "shit".''

oi!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

Julio in "can dish it out but can't take it" SHOCKAH!!!

― kate (kate), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

I wasn't aware that Glider was intended as a full length LP. The idea that there may be another half dozen "Soon"-like ditties in the can is very much welcome. Simon Reynolds' old take on the matter was that he wished they'd have stuck with this direction before the recording of Loveless. I wonder whether any of their mythical drum'n'bass period will ever show up? Wasn't Debbie in a band called Snowplough or something? Colm was involved with Hope Sandoval and The Warm Inventions - Belinda's activities have been unreported to date.

― Robert Moore (treble), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

''Julio in "can dish it out but can't take it" SHOCKAH!!!''

I deal in facts. you deal in myths.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

Going back to the ULU show in 1990, Colm's drumming was fucking breathtaking. And in such heat. The walls were literally melting. I think that Sonic Boom supported in solo guise - the usual indie liggers of the day were propping up the bar (hello Miki!).

― Robert Moore (treble), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 12:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Snowpony, I think. 'Snowplough' is a million times better, though.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Shields has been christened "Bagpuss" by the Primal Scream clan. Anyone know the origin of this? A friend of mine always said that MBV gave off the appearance of being unwashed and slightly smelly.

― Robert Moore (treble), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

Julio I gotta say:

free jazz/improv has a small but committed audience. ppl who are into indie go into management.

seems roughly equal to "I will spin it positively for the subculture I like, and negatively for the one I don't" - if indie is "dead," then free jazz has decomposed. I happen to like both so whateveh, but I just wanted to say.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

I like both too (well, not everything, its a case by case basis). I was just playing around.

(but actually, indie is not that much of a 'subculture' anymore whereas 60s jazz and free improv (there is a distinction here btw), despite being older, has more of that, but that doesn't matter)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

colm still plays with hope sandoval and if i'm not completely mistaken he and she are married and both live in berkeley.

― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 13:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

they live near berkeley in kensington.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

I thought Hope Sandoval was hanging with William Reid, or is that mouldy old corn?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 14:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

Damn, this thread is turning into paparazzi press!

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 15:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

Charlie, yer gossip is about ten years out of date!

― kate (kate), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

saw the Lost in Translation trailer!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

did I just completely miss this???

http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1431220.html

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 01:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Apparently you're not alone. But at least it's there!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

also, finally a new fansite:

http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

With all the MBV dropping on ILM and the gaze thing and the fact that Kevin did several songs on Lost In Translation I would hope so. I hope so.

― cs appleby (cs appleby), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

Kevin Shields and Ned Raggett are slowly merging into one being:

http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/images/filter03.jpg

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Curt1s, Curt1s - be careful what you wish for!

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

That joke has been made several times now on many threads! First by me I think. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

He loves cheese.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

A'right then, Ned. You've recorded you 'Ecstasy & Wine' now, obviously. When is yer 'Isn't anything' due?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

Kevin Shields is my Friendster.

Kevin Shields
Member Since May 2003
Last Login 01/06/2004

Gender:
Male

Interested in
Meeting People for:
Friends, Activity Partners

Status:
Single

Age:
40

Occupation:
Recording artist & dyslexia spokesman

Location:
United Kingdom

Hometown:
Long Island, NY and Dublin, Ireland

Interests:
Rearranging my recording studio, bankrupting record labels, the hypnagogic state, gourmet meals, martial arts, breeding chinchillas, smoking lots of dope, watching lots of TV, easy projects, writing fresh and simple material, and just keeping it simple!

Favorite Music:
Beach Boys, Burt Bacharach, Beatles, Public Enemy, Sonic Youth, Ramones

Favorite TV Shows:
Just about anything, really.

About Me:
You may have heard of my band, My Bloody Valentine. Many critics have written about us in very flowery terms. I don't think I understood what they were saying in those reviews half the time. That guy from Phish loves me guitar sounds though. Do me a favor and buy my Lost in Translation soundtrack. Island Records isn't helping me out much these days. Also kids, don't forget to buy our box set that's coming out in early '04.

Who I Want to Meet:
Great recording effects designers, more film directors, those with good weed, record labels who understand my fondness for expensive food and all of the time I like to spend in and out of the studio. Just remember... I NO LONGER DO REMIXES!

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

Sure sounds like him!

When is yer 'Isn't anything' due?

I must achieve my breakthrough.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 02:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

that profile is CLASSIC.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 04:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hands up who owns his remix of Hurricane £1? < /old Select jokes>

― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

Shields lives in Long Island now? Where?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

the duties + demands placed on a dyslexia spokesman are immense¡
do you people really think he has time for anything else¿
surely he has found his true calling.

― dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

Can someone post the link to 'What Kevin Shields is doing now'?

― Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 22:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

site says to expect this in late '05 or early '06...

http://www.mybloodyvalentine.net/news/boxset.html

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

hmmm don't mean to be a cynical carl but i don't believe any of that page for a damn second.

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

last i'd heard the retrospective was a double CD, not a million disc double box set

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

well, until then we'll have this "City Girl" video:

http://metroencoding.net/emperornorton/ref/kevinshields_city-girl_320x180_large-REF.mov

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

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there are drums on loveless? somehow thinking of loveless i don't hear drums in my mind, except on "soon" but that is drum programming, i suppose. even if there are drums on loveless, it is definitely not for the drums that i love that album.

― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:49 (2 months ago) Permalink

Only Shallow begins with some pretty iconic snare hits! I guess they're programmed, though.

― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 20:55 (2 months ago) Permalink

+ : my record (and some smaller, metallic-looking coaster companion?) finally arrived in the mail today.
- : it looked like this:

it's true that i have no intentions on selling it or anything and the record itself sounds great, but i still wish someone would have put any thought whatsoever into the shipping, especially when this thing cost me $40.

― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 22:51 (2 months ago) Permalink

I thought Kevin played, rather than necessarily programmed, a lot of the drums on Loveless.

― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 06:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

I believe it was samples of Colm's drums, which were then chopped into hits a rolls and sequenced.

― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 08:21 (2 months ago) Permalink

Hits and rolls.

― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 08:21 (2 months ago) Permalink

Maybe I'm in a minority, but Colm's clattering rush adds a whole new level of thrill and complexity to the Valentines. He should be live on EVERY TRACK. Imagine how dull "Nothing Much to Lose" would be without him. And with him, it's one of my all time favourite songs.

Colm - if you're reading this, I was the fortyish guy whose mouth dropped open when he spotted you outside the barbecue tent in the roasting heat of Altona.

― MatthewK, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 11:40 (2 months ago) Permalink

matt's bbq valentine

― schlump, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 16:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

Aw man what they were wandering round in the food court at ATP? Just my luck.

― a kissed out red popemobile (Trayce), Thursday, 21 March 2013 08:19 (2 months ago) Permalink

Well - I saw Colm wander around, being a smallish guy with greying hair in a grey t-shirt he was easy to miss, in fact I don't think anyone else twigged!
Kev walked through the inside foyer later but had a small retinue with him as you might expect. Apparently a very approachable guy though.

― MatthewK, Thursday, 21 March 2013 10:54 (2 months ago) Permalink

I'm embarrased to realise/admit I would not have twigged it was Colm in a million years anyway which is sad cos hes kind of my fave part of the MBV thing. I love his drumming.

― a kissed out red popemobile (Trayce), Friday, 22 March 2013 08:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

THen again I didnt go outside that often, it was too brutally hot.

― a kissed out red popemobile (Trayce), Friday, 22 March 2013 08:09 (2 months ago) Permalink

In my nerdy attention to detail, it sounds to me like there are four songs with live drums on loveless - only shallow, when you sleep, come in alone and what you want - and the rest is programmed. I could be wrong though. I don't think Debbie Googe played on either Isn't Anything or Loveless.

― Freedom, Saturday, 23 March 2013 12:36 (2 months ago) Permalink

If you read one of the interviews with Shields around that time (early nineties) he explains the drumming thing. Can't really remember but I've got it somewhere. Something like the drums on Loveless are programmed on anAtari but with Colm's 'feel', because his drumming is out of time.

― OutdoorFish, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:56 (2 months ago) Permalink

With regards to Debbie I think he said she only played on one album and an ep, but don't quote me on that.

― OutdoorFish, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:58 (2 months ago) Permalink

The 33 1/3 book on it goes over this. It's drum-machine exclusively, but Shields claims that he made them human enough to resemble Colm. Admittedly, I didn't deduce them as 'machine'd from the get-go, I just thought it was a subtle and maybe a bit weak approach to the new sound post-Isn't Anything. Subdued drumming, minimal flair.

― kelpolaris, Sunday, 24 March 2013 21:58 (2 months ago) Permalink

Wasn't Colm too ill to play on Loveless?

― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 25 March 2013 06:49 (2 months ago) Permalink

Ó Cíosóig recovered enough to play live on two of the albums' songs, "Only Shallow" and "Touched", the latter of which was composed and performed entirely by the drummer.
wikipedia citing the 33 1/3 book.

― fit and working again, Monday, 25 March 2013 07:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

i realised that i quite love the sluggish drumming on the countrified version of loveless by japancakes. but of course the pedal steel is even more remarkable because it fits so well with the warped sound of loveless. maybe the best cover album ever.

― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 25 March 2013 12:55 (2 months ago) Permalink

Ok found the bit about Deb:
"Debbie has been in the band for years, but she stopped playing on the records in '88. She only played on one song in 1988. To tell the truth, she only played on one whole record in 1985. She hated playing in the studio. She liked playing bass but only if she could attack it. Well, maybe she's changing now, but that's the way she wanted to do it. She didn't have anything to do with making the records."

That interview was from the nineties after Loveless had come out. Still trying to find the bit about Colm, but found this on a forum:
"I do know they sampled and retriggered Colm's drum (he was out of time)."

― OutdoorFish, Monday, 25 March 2013 13:27 (2 months ago) Permalink

Sorry, bit in brackets should be: (he didn't keep the best time).

― OutdoorFish, Monday, 25 March 2013 13:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

At fucking last. From FAQ on the To Here Knows Web site:

Most of the drum sounds on Loveless are triggered and sequenced; Colm played either electronic or natural drums triggered to electronic sound into a computer sequencer. The drum pattern was then quantised (each trigger was put to the nearest beat) and replayed. Colm's drumming is characteristic but usually off-time. The drums on Loveless have Colm's characteristic playing, but they are exactly on the beat, redone by a computer. From an interview with Kevin Shields:
"Actually we started the album with live drums, but Colm got very ill. So we sampled his drums and his rolls. So even when a track is programmed, it has his feel."

― OutdoorFish, Monday, 25 March 2013 15:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

In 1991? No wonder it took so long / was so expensive.

― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 25 March 2013 15:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

Nah, wouldn’t take very long at all for someone who knows what they’re doing. Samplers were pretty advanced by that point.

― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 25 March 2013 17:24 (2 months ago) Permalink

I remember seeing them live in '92 and Colm was watching an LED metronome for some songs. I think he was also triggering the samples.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 25 March 2013 19:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

According to Shields the sequencer was only used by Colm when he was taking too long between dongs (needed a breather?) to fill the gap. Apparently he was just activating the passage that came between what you want and soon on loveless.

― OutdoorFish, Monday, 25 March 2013 19:14 (2 months ago) Permalink

Songs lol omg

― OutdoorFish, Monday, 25 March 2013 19:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

(needed a breather?)

― Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 25 March 2013 19:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

was wondrin' 'bout the dongs..

― Mark G, Monday, 25 March 2013 22:13 (2 months ago) Permalink

new cd on amazon as an "import" - £19.39

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BHUJ2XI/ref=s9_newr_gw_d63_g15_ir04

― koogs, Monday, 25 March 2013 22:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

£11.99 + £1.50 p&p

http://www.normanrecords.com/records/138932-my-bloody-valentine-m-b

― koogs, Monday, 25 March 2013 22:33 (2 months ago) Permalink

Having a giggling attack about dongs now

― the company of wome (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 25 March 2013 23:54 (2 months ago) Permalink

<i>taking too long between dongs ... just activating the passage that came between what you want and soon<i>
that's what she said

― MatthewK, Thursday, 28 March 2013 11:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

Enough about Colm and his dongs. How about we talk about some of the old 12"s?

― OutdoorFish, Thursday, 28 March 2013 14:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

Dong.

― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 28 March 2013 17:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

I complained to the MBV website about my damaged LP. They asked for photos. Today a replacement cover arrived in the mail. Better packaged than the LP, but still a tiny bit scuffed. It'll do

― Duke, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

was the packaging the same for the replacement?

― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

The replacement cover came in the same box, but loosely wrapped in shrink wrap (my LP was completely naked). When I say "loosely" - I mean the shrink-wrap wasn't taped around it or anything. So the cover managed to wriggle a little loose in the mail and is slightly scuffed on one side.

― Duke, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 18:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

smh

― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

yep -- you'd think they'd take extra care the second time.

― Duke, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:05 (1 month ago) Permalink

i wonder if whoever does the packaging just sincerely doesn't get it?

anyway. timely revive because i was listening to mbv on the way into work for the first time in a few weeks. it's nice to live with it a while and get to know it, know the songs and where they're going, look forward to certain parts

― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

this makes me worried since they said they'll send me a replacement with "extra-secure packaging."

― diamonddave85, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:13 (1 month ago) Permalink

― your holiness, we have an official energy drink (Z S), Wednesday, April 3, 2013 4:10 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i have had this a couple of times & it has been sorta the nicest thing about it so far - i got off the bus into the snow a couple of weeks ago just as if i am or something was starting &, totally divorced from context or status, it was so nice just to be hearing it as a song, this bright sounding sweet melodic record i get to bop around to. i am still thinking this record more as this kind of a happy curio than as one of the mbv records at this stage i think.

― schlump, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 19:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

You realise the new Wire album has been longer in gestation than this one?

― Mark G, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 21:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Listened to this a few times last night, and it's still my favorite record of the year. And I think "Nothing Is" is my favorite track on the album. It's just so awesome and relentless. But because it's so repetitive there are many tiny things that one notices upon closer inspection. The changes in the mix. The turning up of the overall volume. I kind of see now why "It sounds like demos!" was a criticism when this was released. This track in particular is very raw, not just in sound and construction but in context. It's almost a meta-record experience, listening to it on headphones. Audio-verite or something.

The latter half of this record is the most experimental music I've heard all year, and I don't say that lightly, cos there seem to be plenty of established artists recently doing more experimental work than usual.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 25 April 2013 17:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

For you LA folk:

― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 09:47 (1 week ago) Permalink

Wonder what Glasser is up to atm?

― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 09:49 (1 week ago) Permalink

I wonder that often.

― siouxsan sarandon (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:51 (1 week ago) Permalink

Looking forward to the show, if not the heat.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

Don't let Roky melt

― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

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